CABAIR - General discussion for those involved.
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I know that I'm new here so I don't really want to rock the boat...... but isn't Denham part of the Cabair group? If it doesn't work out at Bournemouth does anybody have any recommendations for a modular training provider?
If you are already at Bournemouth, why not look at BCFT - they have a good reputation.
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The latest info at Bournemouth (first hand from a student on the Kingston Uni degree course) is that they have been told to take time off as the attempted restructuring is currently uninsured to teach at EPTA and they are hoping to resolve this situation and resume teaching as soon as possible. You may take that with whatever pinch of salt suits you.
That said, try Wycombe Air Centre. They've always impressed me when I've passed through, and I have done a few training hours with them.
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That's good to hear. Do you know if they now do the ATPL theory in-house? The information on the website is out-of-date and states that it takes place at Cabair Bournemouth.
That's good to hear. Do you know if they now do the ATPL theory in-house? The information on the website is out-of-date and states that it takes place at Cabair Bournemouth.
Most people separate theory and flying - go to somewhere like CATS or Bristol Groundschool for your groundschool, then pick your flying school for that.
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From an earlier post it would appear there is some involvement with WAC & CABAIR:
Messrs Read & Henry have been with Cabair since time immemorial. Shari Peyami is the MD at WAC.
Can't comment, this is just for the record
From an earlier post it would appear there is some involvement with WAC & CABAIR:
CHL owned World Aviation Holdings Ltd until it sold it in December 2008 for £160k, at a loss to CHL of £176k. Stephen Read, MC Henry, Shahriar Peyami and MJ Bradley Russell were shareholders and directors of WAHL at 31 March 2010. WAHL owns Wycombe Air Centre Ltd and bought 80% of Worldwide Aviation Ltd (aircraft maintenance company) for £280k during the year ended March 2009.
Can't comment, this is just for the record
Unless things have changed recently, my understanding was that the majority shareholder in WAC became some variant of Cabair circa 2006ish, with Shari Peyami - already MD, staying in post with a significant minority shareholding in WAC himself. I don't know what SP's engagement with the rest of Cabair has been - but there must have been some.
However, WAC has always continued to be run as a separate and largely independent business from the rest of Cabair, and it's always been profitable. Offering my best guess, the receivers/administrators would be daft to let this successful business get dragged down by the rest of Cabair and are leaving it well alone, presumably that majority holding being the most valuable saleable asset remaining within the group.
What does surprise me is that there's been no talk of using WAC to finish off the existing Cabair students - even if they would be moved from Integrated to Module, it surely would be possible. Then again, maybe that talk's happened, just not made it outside of Cabair.
Regardless, and with the usual caveat of "don't pay up front what you can't afford to lose", I'd still regard WAC as a good place to train.
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However, WAC has always continued to be run as a separate and largely independent business from the rest of Cabair, and it's always been profitable. Offering my best guess, the receivers/administrators would be daft to let this successful business get dragged down by the rest of Cabair and are leaving it well alone, presumably that majority holding being the most valuable saleable asset remaining within the group.
What does surprise me is that there's been no talk of using WAC to finish off the existing Cabair students - even if they would be moved from Integrated to Module, it surely would be possible. Then again, maybe that talk's happened, just not made it outside of Cabair.
Regardless, and with the usual caveat of "don't pay up front what you can't afford to lose", I'd still regard WAC as a good place to train.
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Cabair still partly operate from WAC I believe, well at least there is advertising for Cabair there. I am a university student who is currently learning to fly there at the moment. I can only say good things about the centre so far, great instructors and a well maintained fleet.
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Not sure how this works, however, I have tried to transfer my money from EPTA in Bournemouth to Cabair Cranfield as they are up and running now. This was, and still is impossible as Cranfield is now Cabair UK and is an entirely new company. So they have offered to help so long as I pay some more...lol...which is not going to happen.
So the question I pose to everyone is how can the old Cabair close, then re-open as new Cabair and till claim to have all the history... please see the below quotes from there new website....
(From a take off nearly four decades ago Cabair are now one of the largest companies operating in the commercial pilot training sector worldwide. and further down....As a major supplier of quality First Officers and future commanders to international airlines, our customers have included British Airways, Flybe, Ryanair, Air India, Kuwait Airways, Royal Brunei Airlines and many others of a similar stature)
As they are a new company surley they have not actually trained anyone yet let alone for any airline mentioned above and how can the be the biggest with only one little school in Cranfield?....surely this is fraud!
It would seem that Cabair Cranfield has escaped scott free and I seem to be one of the many who have paid for this!
They seem to have offered a deal to the Integrated students to continue training and yet have offered me nothing more than what any other flight school has offered me....so NEW CABAIR WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK NOW?
So the question I pose to everyone is how can the old Cabair close, then re-open as new Cabair and till claim to have all the history... please see the below quotes from there new website....
(From a take off nearly four decades ago Cabair are now one of the largest companies operating in the commercial pilot training sector worldwide. and further down....As a major supplier of quality First Officers and future commanders to international airlines, our customers have included British Airways, Flybe, Ryanair, Air India, Kuwait Airways, Royal Brunei Airlines and many others of a similar stature)
As they are a new company surley they have not actually trained anyone yet let alone for any airline mentioned above and how can the be the biggest with only one little school in Cranfield?....surely this is fraud!
It would seem that Cabair Cranfield has escaped scott free and I seem to be one of the many who have paid for this!
They seem to have offered a deal to the Integrated students to continue training and yet have offered me nothing more than what any other flight school has offered me....so NEW CABAIR WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK NOW?
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I suggest you put all these points to
ASA - Advertising Standards Authority
Its quite a simple process and minimal input apart from the intial complaint by yourself.
ASA - Advertising Standards Authority
Its quite a simple process and minimal input apart from the intial complaint by yourself.
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Going to the ASA is the first port of call, although it sounds lilke this is an 'internal' arrangement and not, strictly speaking, an 'advertised' product.
More importantly, I feel, is to check with the CAA that they have given this transfer of training to another provider their blessing. I say this only because the management of the new company, having no connection with the old (?), surely must be liable for fiduciary exchange and the terms thereafter maintained should reflect this.
Of course, this could then justify their alleged £15000 administration fee.
More importantly, I feel, is to check with the CAA that they have given this transfer of training to another provider their blessing. I say this only because the management of the new company, having no connection with the old (?), surely must be liable for fiduciary exchange and the terms thereafter maintained should reflect this.
Of course, this could then justify their alleged £15000 administration fee.