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Old 27th Nov 2023, 11:05
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Overlooked the CPL MEP link, SE CPL at the end it is, thanks rude stuff.

Any recommendations for ATOs? blackbushe, British aerobatics and stapleford are on the list.
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 07:06
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Good morning everyone,

Apologies if this has been addressed previously and feel free to post instructions of where this is located.

I'm looking at modular training and tossing up between EASA and UK-CAA, not both. I have a UK passport and full living and working rights in only one EU country. Getting a flying job in said EU country wouldn't likely be possible due to the lack of knowledge of the local language.

I have asked around, including some CFI's from flying schools in both EASA and UK-CAA but I guess people are reluctant to say too much.

I'm just looking for some advice, nothing more. Thank you in advance for anything shared.
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 11:50
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UK citizens have the right to live and work in Ireland. I guess you are not talking about there as you presumably speak English.
What's the other country? If it's Poland (your location), then LOT previously took on non-Polish speaking pilots (no idea now). Ryanair is obviously a big employer there too - though I think not having the unrestricted right to work in the EU might be an issue for them

The issue with asking people is that nobody truly knows and nobody would sensibly want to limit your opportunities.

Is there any reason you don't want to go dual? The additional costs and difficulty are relatively small.
Going modular, the start of the path makes no difference. Both a UK or an EASA PPL can take you on either (or both) path.
Then, for the ATPL exams, do it at somewhere dual approved like BGS. The syllabus is the same and the exams are very similar. You can sit both UK and EASA exams there too. That makes it much easier as you sit the same subjects at the same time - i.e. you only study each subject once. Additional cost is about £1k so far.
Form that point, you can decide on which way to go (or whether to do both). You've left the door open and are a lot closer to actually getting a job so will likely be in a much better place to decide.

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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 12:05
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Limiting yourself to one or the other is not the best idea especially when the extra cost would initially be the exam fees. Plenty of reasonable priced schools will give you both licences.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 02:50
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
The trick to going modular and saving money is to study while you're working. Ideally you would make use of your holiday allowance and get a PPL in 4 weeks, or failing that, two 2 week blocks. That's not as hard as you think if you do it somewhere sunny, and turn up with all the exams passed and nothing to do but fly. You could even take 10 hours over weekends to learn the basics, then do an accelerated course full time.

Once you've got your PPL and night rating, start the ATPL exams. Take your time and study no more than 4 subjects at a time, take the exams then move on. 4/4/3/3 still gives you plenty of options for resits. While you're doing that, get a cheap preferably non-equity share in a 150 or PA38 - something that you can fly for less than £100 an hour. Plan to fly around 50 hours making sure you use the time wisely - learning the area for your CPL and getting plenty of cross country time. You should be half way towards CPL, and you've spent less than £18,000

Once you've passed your final ATPL exam the clock is ticking. You've got 36 months to finish up. Start with a CBIR which should cost around £6-8000. An IRR/IMC costs £2500-3000, so essentially to get an IR via the CBIR route you'll need do that twice with an extra 10-20 hours solo practice. So now you've got a PPL/Night/SEIR 150 hours and you've spent £26,000

With 50 hours left to go, I would assess the industry and see if it's worth getting a multi rating yet. Assuming it's not, I would just hour build for another 35 hours (£3500) and do a 15 hour CPL course (£3500) Total spend? £35,000 once you've paid CAA fees. Now you can get an FI rating if you want to teach (£8000) or for the same money you can get your MEP and MEIR *when the time comes.

Of course, if you really want to become a pilot cheaply, have a read of part 61.129 then get yourself a training visa for the US. You can do all of the above for about £20k and come home with over 1000 hours.
any recommendations on where to get a CPL at such a reasonable price? I know prices have shot up, but in 2021 the cheapest I could find was appx £5k
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 23:11
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Originally Posted by HeathrowPilot1998

Any advice is greatly appreciated. I'm UK based.
Look at your other posting…
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I am in two minds in what to do with my training. I have aspirations to fly for an airline on a jet eventually, and I am currently weighing up pros and cons of both integrated and modular training. I am lucky enough to be in a position where with a mix of parent funding and finance I can afford both routes. After visiting a few flying schools I was most drawn to L3 and Leading edge, although the recent news on L3 has deterred me slightly. I am now considering a full time modular route which would save me £30,000-£40,000 in training costs and should still be completed in roughly 2 years if all goes to plan. However, I am slightly concerned about job prospects for modular students as I know certain ATO's have holding pools and student can get tagged during training. Does anyone know how much harder it would be to get an airline job with a modular fATPL completed across a handful of flying schools? Would the fact that I would be doing it full time also benefit me as the training would not be over a huge timescale? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am worried about the prospect of spending £60,000/£70,000 in the modular route and then be much less likely to be hired afterwards. I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere but I cannot find any recent discussion on this in particular. If there is and I have missed it, please send a link as that would also be of great help.

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