Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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The situation in the UK, US and Europe is pretty awful at the moment, but what are worldwide conditions like?
For fATPL's who are willing to relocate to almost anywhere in the world is the situation much better?
cheers
For fATPL's who are willing to relocate to almost anywhere in the world is the situation much better?
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One significant problem is that the market has been flooded with hundreds of pilots with all levels of experience from low time FOs to senior Captains with many thousands of hours. Experienced FOs with several type ratings on their licence who are willing to travel are struggling to find employment. It's an employers market at the moment and low hour fATPL pilots without type ratings are unlikely to be at the top of their lists of pilots being targeted.
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You really hold people for dumb don't you? I'm telling you, don't transfer your daily job "I am captain and a god" into writing to me.
I'm confident you have not missed an opportunity to read every single of my posts.
To tell you the truth, I am not making a penny from my daily job. I am just helping pilots within my capabilities and I'm doing that by providing world's cheapest aircraft rental.
Any marginal earnings of our operation goes into a pot, a pot that one day in the near future will help improve chances for modular student pilots (because integrated are either stupid or rich) to climb up the ladder more easily.
You are so wrong not to support us.
All you are doing with your misery-shedding is to give airlines an opportunity to take more advantage of student pilots. Isn't it enough that they have to pay for their TR, now you want to help airlines save the money on line training by making the case for them?
Instead, encourage student pilots to flow through the bizjet market.
Plenty of opportunities there, and experienced A320/B737 wouldn't even care to think about it. If we can get modular ab-initio to understand that a bizjet job is way better than a stupid A-B-A-C-A job on A320/B737, you bet they will flow into the bizjet market and airlines will start paying for TR's again. Also, as they will recruit among bizjet pilots instead of ab-initio's, the market will have continuous recycling and a more logical evolution than to jump a 200 hours TT kid on the RHS.
Don't waist this opportunity to help transform the market into a fair one because that's exactly what you are doing. Don't "warn" starters who will not get their ticket before 3 years from now. Encourage people who already have their ticket to head to Africa or take up any bizjet job.
Pump optimism into starters to motivate them and help them find the right path. If you are not wasting all this time on the forum because you have a heart for student pilots and want to help them (because it is not helping them at all), then I goddamn hope you get a flock of birds in both engines during the next rotation.
I'm confident you have not missed an opportunity to read every single of my posts.
To tell you the truth, I am not making a penny from my daily job. I am just helping pilots within my capabilities and I'm doing that by providing world's cheapest aircraft rental.
Any marginal earnings of our operation goes into a pot, a pot that one day in the near future will help improve chances for modular student pilots (because integrated are either stupid or rich) to climb up the ladder more easily.
You are so wrong not to support us.
All you are doing with your misery-shedding is to give airlines an opportunity to take more advantage of student pilots. Isn't it enough that they have to pay for their TR, now you want to help airlines save the money on line training by making the case for them?
Instead, encourage student pilots to flow through the bizjet market.
Plenty of opportunities there, and experienced A320/B737 wouldn't even care to think about it. If we can get modular ab-initio to understand that a bizjet job is way better than a stupid A-B-A-C-A job on A320/B737, you bet they will flow into the bizjet market and airlines will start paying for TR's again. Also, as they will recruit among bizjet pilots instead of ab-initio's, the market will have continuous recycling and a more logical evolution than to jump a 200 hours TT kid on the RHS.
Don't waist this opportunity to help transform the market into a fair one because that's exactly what you are doing. Don't "warn" starters who will not get their ticket before 3 years from now. Encourage people who already have their ticket to head to Africa or take up any bizjet job.
Pump optimism into starters to motivate them and help them find the right path. If you are not wasting all this time on the forum because you have a heart for student pilots and want to help them (because it is not helping them at all), then I goddamn hope you get a flock of birds in both engines during the next rotation.
Sawaya:
So some Russian money from an Austrian bank is being poured into a NetJets splinter group fronted by Johnny Breeze. I wish them the best of luck and admire their bravery but I wouldn't advise basing any career planning on them.
Oh, and only 25 of those 110 orders are firm - the rest is just a number on the back of a fag packet.
Still, it IS good news. Well done.
WWW
So some Russian money from an Austrian bank is being poured into a NetJets splinter group fronted by Johnny Breeze. I wish them the best of luck and admire their bravery but I wouldn't advise basing any career planning on them.
Oh, and only 25 of those 110 orders are firm - the rest is just a number on the back of a fag packet.
Still, it IS good news. Well done.
WWW
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Also I can fairly easily say that newbie fATPLs are going to get nowhere near a Lear 60 so not particularly good news.
There is not a Business Jet out there that needs more respect and careful handling than this aircraft. Insurance companies just would not wear it, one of their pre requisites would probably be time on a "junior" lear
(The ones that only do 8,000 fpm and 25deg pitch up whilst accelerating)
There is not a Business Jet out there that needs more respect and careful handling than this aircraft. Insurance companies just would not wear it, one of their pre requisites would probably be time on a "junior" lear
(The ones that only do 8,000 fpm and 25deg pitch up whilst accelerating)
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Ryanair grounds 14 planes at Stansted
more evidence of the upturn is upon us:
Ryanair grounds 14 planes at Stansted - Times Online
Ryanair, the cut-price Irish airline, is to ground 14 aircraft at Stansted airport this winter as it grapples with fuel costs and weakening consumer demand.
“We’re heading into recession and people are becoming much more price sensitive. Our experience of recession is that fares generally fall,” Mr Millar said.
“We’re heading into recession and people are becoming much more price sensitive. Our experience of recession is that fares generally fall,” Mr Millar said.
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G-SPOT, while its unlikely they will take on any new fATPLs for their little venture, they will help to "mop up" some of the XL/Zoom crew. Thus not quite the level of doom and gloom some suggest following these folds.
nb, via wikipedia, fleet sizes were:
XL - 18 a/c
Zoom - 5 a/c
JR reports it will have 4 a/c by year end and then take one every 4 weeks.
iX
nb, via wikipedia, fleet sizes were:
XL - 18 a/c
Zoom - 5 a/c
JR reports it will have 4 a/c by year end and then take one every 4 weeks.
iX
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There is often talk of spotting the end of a down turn when savvy investors start buying bargain (bottom dollar) assets...
If that's the case then this is interesting:
Buffet buys into Goldman Sachs
iX
If that's the case then this is interesting:
Buffet buys into Goldman Sachs
iX
Ireland now officially in recession.
WWW
WWW
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Ireland now officially in recession.
Glad they don't have any impact on flying jobs !!!
... oh, wait... bugger!
On a philosophical point:
Does anyone else think the definition of recession should be any rate of growth in a period of time that is lower than the rate of inflation in that period?
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Everywhere is in recession, we are just one of the first ones to put our hands up and take it on the face....
Exactly, once youve hit the bottom of the barrel, well there only one way you can go from there!!!!
Exactly, once youve hit the bottom of the barrel, well there only one way you can go from there!!!!
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So, WWW, what do you think?
Wasn't I right to tell you that we'd get to see who was specultaing on oil?
Exactly. It looks like the huge banking institutions are who we were looking for.
Now they need a bail-out worth 700 billions.
But wait a minute... private investors want to stay out out of fear of losin ghtier money. So why would the government gamble the taxpayer's money?
The population of the US is about 300 million.
The 700 billion dollar bail-out comes down to 2500$ per person.
Out of the 300 million us citizens, let's suppose 20% are paying back home loans and 5% are undergoing foreclosure.
So why is best to save Wall Street when you can save Main Street with that kind of money?
What a corrupt economy...
Wasn't I right to tell you that we'd get to see who was specultaing on oil?
Exactly. It looks like the huge banking institutions are who we were looking for.
Now they need a bail-out worth 700 billions.
But wait a minute... private investors want to stay out out of fear of losin ghtier money. So why would the government gamble the taxpayer's money?
The population of the US is about 300 million.
The 700 billion dollar bail-out comes down to 2500$ per person.
Out of the 300 million us citizens, let's suppose 20% are paying back home loans and 5% are undergoing foreclosure.
So why is best to save Wall Street when you can save Main Street with that kind of money?
What a corrupt economy...
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If you read the recruitment pages of Flightglobal you'll get a feel for where the job market is - Middle East, Far East and Africa. Mostly experiencd crews they seem to be looking for. I hear through the grapevine that a load of the XL guys are off to the Gulf as nothing doing back here in the UK.
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Who gives a flying f**K, we are all in the same boat. It will end sometime nobody knows when so there is no point going on speculating when its all going to end or how much worse its going to get. You worry you die, you dont worry you still die so why worry. People are still going to fly and go on holidays, you guys are talking like its the end of the world it aint doing anybody any good. Man the f**K up people it will be over when its over 