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Old 4th Sep 2009, 12:44
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Sorry to hear that WWW.

Its easy to forget the personal side of the issue on how this deflation is changing people's lives.

This should really hit home the state of things for any wannabes......
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Old 4th Sep 2009, 13:01
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Its certainly a feature of the profession unfortunately. Wannabes focus is naturally centred on getting that elusive first job. Unfortunately, even with >10,000hrs of Boeing and Airbus time and a decades service in the UK's second biggest airline I find my actual job proposed for redundancy.

There's certainly no other employer out there at the moment who would be remotely interested in my CV.


And still the schools are full... perhaps I should go back to Integrated instructing! Lets see, was it Power, Attitude, Trim or Attitude, Power, Trim?


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Old 4th Sep 2009, 14:03
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The schools will go through the same deflationary problems as we work through the next phase of the cycle when the "herd" reaches its point of recognition.....


If you believe your economic outlook, then maybe a shift into agriculture would be a wise option......
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Old 4th Sep 2009, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Wee Weasley Welshman
Heli Port - yup, I'm now under 90 days consultation for Redundancy.
I'm sorry to hear that news Weasley.
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Air France to Eliminate 1,500 Jobs, Slash Capacity 5%

More Deflation....

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Air France said it will eliminate 1,500 jobs and slash capacity by 5 percent in order to bring down costs and match seating to reduced levels of demand......cont..
Air France to Eliminate 1,500 Jobs, Slash Capacity 5% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
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U.S. Airlines’ Cut in Seats to Be Deepest Since 1942

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. and the other big U.S. carriers are poised to make more cuts in available seats as the summer travel season ends this weekend, capping the industry’s deepest retrenchment since World War II.

Capacity at the six largest airlines, led by Delta, will shrink 6.8 percent by year’s end from 2008 levels, according to data compiled by flight information firm OAG Aviation Solutions for Bloomberg News. That’s equal to erasing the domestic network of US Airways Group Inc., the No. 6 U.S. carrier by traffic...cont....
U.S. Airlines? Cut in Seats to Be Deepest Since 1942 (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 10:28
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It's madness

Heli Port - yup, I'm now under 90 days consultation for Redundancy
Sorry to hear about this www. This news should really bring it home to people about the state of things...
And yet according to the Ops guy at my local flying club they have never had it so busy. It's madness, the world has gone mad.
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 11:24
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And yet according to the Ops guy at my local flying club they have never had it so busy.
Some people who've had their mortgage payments slashed are going out and spending the money, instead of paying down the debt
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 12:19
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Or maybe plenty people at flying schools are enjoying flying for fun, not everybody is facing redundancy and not everybody at flying clubs wishes to become an Airline Pilot. Attitudes in aviation are very much focussed on becoming an Airline Pilot, it's all I ever used to hear at my old club..."So, when you doing the ATPL's then?" Seems that a ppl is not good enough for some!
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 14:37
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Equally, those with savings are seeing an insignificant return and have chosen to spend instead. The flying club I frequent has seen an 50+% increase in hours flown over the same period last year. Life in the future may not be rosy, but right now............
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 15:20
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You have to love retail ......

Cash is increasing in value as we deflate, so the herd continue to throw it away....

The aviation schools I've encountered, always encouraged "flight rating improvement" as it was good for business.....

Greater fool theory, never seems to fail......

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Old 5th Sep 2009, 17:15
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www, we are still very much interested in 100000+ hour 737 Captains at Ryan, however you probably know that.

Hope it works out for you and all your mates at Easy.

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Old 5th Sep 2009, 17:49
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Didn't think WWW was that old!!
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Old 5th Sep 2009, 19:22
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I'm sorry to hear that www but i'm sure it'll all turn out fine
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Old 6th Sep 2009, 08:11
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Attitudes in aviation are very much focussed on becoming an Airline Pilot, it's all I ever used to hear at my old club..."So, when you doing the ATPL's then?" Seems that a ppl is not good enough for some!
And then you become and airline pilot...and all you want to do is fly for fun!

Sorry to hear the news WWW, I'm personally expecting the same from my lot, along with about 50 others in about 6-12 months...so you wannabe's just keep spending that money because yep, lots of green shoots...
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Economy 'to bounce back by 2010'

The UK economy should bounce back next year but the risk of a relapse remains high, a business group has warned. The British Chambers of Commerce expects the economy to grow 1.1% in 2010, almost double its previous forecast of 0.6% made in June. It says unemployment will peak at just above 3 million, fewer than the 3.2 million forecast previously.
BBC NEWS | Business | Economy 'to bounce back by 2010' some positive news
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Old 6th Sep 2009, 21:45
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Its the unemployment peak of 3 million which is the disaster and marks the pain peak for airlines. As I have mentioned many times in the last recession all the MAJOR big airlines that did go bust - went bust - either 1 or 3 years after the recession had ended.

This winter will see some unprofitable airlines run out of cash to burn. They will fail. Next winter will be the same story. By which time all economies will be out of recession and growing. Whoopee.

My job is under consultation for redundancy. Do you have ten thousand hours mostly Boeing and Airbus with the majority of hours in the Command column? No? Never mind, I'll buy you a coffee from the machine at the interview stage.

You would have to be off your tits on crystal meth to be training as a commercial pilot at the moment.


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Old 7th Sep 2009, 07:43
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Totally agree with WWW. You would have to be bonkers to start training now.
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Old 7th Sep 2009, 07:52
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Afraz, serious question -

Did it hurt when it first went in...?



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Old 7th Sep 2009, 08:28
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Did it hurt when it first went in...?
A little not too much! From a personal standpoint its better for me that now is the wrong time to start training as it gives me a bit of time to save up.
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