Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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see cjd_a320 that article has got me slightly worried now as i start a type rating with BA next month mmm ah well if they go out of business atleast i'll have an a320 rating
In fact here is the thread;
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post4207837
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see cjd_a320 that article has got me slightly worried now as i start a type rating with BA next month mmm ah well if they go out of business atleast i'll have an a320 rating
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City taken by surprise as Bank of England’s figures herald end of recession
With a surplus of approx. 100 pilots at BA currently facing the possibility of CR, I suspect heliport is telling porkies, if not I'm sure the workforce, and more importantly the BACC will be very interested in this new development!
Britain has emerged from the worst recession since the Second World War, new Bank of England figures suggested yesterday (see Commentary, facing page). Detailed forecasts published by the Bank showed that gross domestic product (GDP) will rise by 0.2 per cent between July and September, marking the first economic expansion since the first three months of last year. The Bank expects the economy to continue to expand in the fourth quarter, by 0.4 per cent, and sustain the recovery throughout next year.
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If I'd known I'd have had a bet. It was a foregone conclusion. I truly offer the greatest of sympathy to any poor guy or girl who handed in their notice else where to join.
Are they doing bets for FlyDubai?
Are they doing bets for FlyDubai?
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TheBeak,
have to agree with you on that one.
It's not something that I would have looked to secure funding against. however, Popovic, President of Jet Republic is also Chief Executive Officer of the European American Investment Bank AG, an independent Austrian private bank and key investor in Jet Republic.
have to agree with you on that one.
It's not something that I would have looked to secure funding against. however, Popovic, President of Jet Republic is also Chief Executive Officer of the European American Investment Bank AG, an independent Austrian private bank and key investor in Jet Republic.
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Yeah but to quote Paradise Lost from the JR thread:
Too true huh!
Reminds one of the old adage about how to be become a millionaire in aviation......start with a billion!
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Irish bookmaker Paddy Power offered bets on whether JetRepublic would still be in business on 1st Jan 2010.
In the last Uk recession major UK airlines went bust in the years 1 to 3 years POST recession.
Jet Republic went bust today - that's another 200 experienced pilots willing to start tomorrow anywhere in Europe whom your CV will be up against.
You're screwed.
WWW
Jet Republic went bust today - that's another 200 experienced pilots willing to start tomorrow anywhere in Europe whom your CV will be up against.
You're screwed.
WWW
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Ah look another keyboard warrior.
Got a job take more in a day than a shelf stacker does in a week. Oh and flying is for me, thanks for the advice though. Even if it was compelte jibberish.
Got a job take more in a day than a shelf stacker does in a week. Oh and flying is for me, thanks for the advice though. Even if it was compelte jibberish.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
This is what I offered to a chap who's just left flight school.
Intelligent research is the key to your success.
You say "anywhere". However, most entry level jobs outside of Europe require you to be there.
Ok so where?
Africa, the Caribbean etc have historically taken on low houred pilots. Scenic ops is the usual first choice before moving onto twins/turbines.
How to find out who? Use Travel agents and google to find out operator names. Look in the appropriate forums for tips and tricks.
Bear in mind that there will be license issues as well as passport restrictions. Research before spending money.
If shifting overseas is not an option then for low houred guys, airlines usually hire low houred guys. There are some GA sort of jobs around but you'll have to hunt them down.
Which airline?
Spend time researching the airlines that have hired low houred pilots in the past.
What usually happens is that the experienced guys will get hired first. Then the low houred guys will get taken on. The trick is to get your timing right. If you apply to an airline that has already taken on a lot of low houred pilots, you have a chance but it's likely you've missed it.
The UK CAA places restrictions on the % of low houred guys to experienced guys. Therefore, you need to have your CV in place.
How will you know an airline will hire soon?
Scour Flight International jobs section. Clues to look for are jobs for sim instructors and or engineers. That usually means the airline is expanding.
Good luck.
Intelligent research is the key to your success.
You say "anywhere". However, most entry level jobs outside of Europe require you to be there.
Ok so where?
Africa, the Caribbean etc have historically taken on low houred pilots. Scenic ops is the usual first choice before moving onto twins/turbines.
How to find out who? Use Travel agents and google to find out operator names. Look in the appropriate forums for tips and tricks.
Bear in mind that there will be license issues as well as passport restrictions. Research before spending money.
If shifting overseas is not an option then for low houred guys, airlines usually hire low houred guys. There are some GA sort of jobs around but you'll have to hunt them down.
Which airline?
Spend time researching the airlines that have hired low houred pilots in the past.
What usually happens is that the experienced guys will get hired first. Then the low houred guys will get taken on. The trick is to get your timing right. If you apply to an airline that has already taken on a lot of low houred pilots, you have a chance but it's likely you've missed it.
The UK CAA places restrictions on the % of low houred guys to experienced guys. Therefore, you need to have your CV in place.
How will you know an airline will hire soon?
Scour Flight International jobs section. Clues to look for are jobs for sim instructors and or engineers. That usually means the airline is expanding.
Good luck.
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How mature of WWW to tell wannabes that they are screwed. And Roy for telling Superdash flying is not for him. Absolutely disgraceful and just senselessly mean to mock other peoples plight.
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antononv09 it was neither mean nor disgraceful. It isn't bullying. It is a harsh fact.
Anyone who hasn't realised that we are properly screwed for a good few years is either incredibly stupid or rich.
Instead of the boring old 'you're mean' comments and the 'you're a big bad bully' comments how about offering a counter argument and backing it up. These threads have done well of late to be rid of the subjective, emotional crap which offers nothing but a fog in the way of reality.
I appreciate to some of you that feel the need to be wishy washy and offer your fellow 'friends' on here a hand on the back and a shoulder to cry on that when people just stick to the facts it can seem quite confident or even arrogant, but it isn't. It is concise, to the point and as honest as it gets. Listen or find out the hard way.
Like it or not, it needs to be said. It is the best advice you can get if it leads to realisation of the fact. Then YOU can decide what happens next from a known start point as opposed to some of the airy fairy, pie-in-the-sky start points some seem to have.
Things are very bad and getting worse.
Of course one day things will get better but not in the next two years like some of these suggestable, desperate, foolish lemmings will have you believe that are beginning training now. They are like cows to the slaughter.
Anyone who hasn't realised that we are properly screwed for a good few years is either incredibly stupid or rich.
Instead of the boring old 'you're mean' comments and the 'you're a big bad bully' comments how about offering a counter argument and backing it up. These threads have done well of late to be rid of the subjective, emotional crap which offers nothing but a fog in the way of reality.
I appreciate to some of you that feel the need to be wishy washy and offer your fellow 'friends' on here a hand on the back and a shoulder to cry on that when people just stick to the facts it can seem quite confident or even arrogant, but it isn't. It is concise, to the point and as honest as it gets. Listen or find out the hard way.
You're screwed.
Things are very bad and getting worse.
Of course one day things will get better but not in the next two years like some of these suggestable, desperate, foolish lemmings will have you believe that are beginning training now. They are like cows to the slaughter.
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Redsnail thankyou. Honest, pragmatic advice, it is hugely appreciated.
I would venture to suggest that Superdash represents the majority of Wannabes who simply don't like the way 'advice' is delivered on this thread. Being likened to a 'desperate, foolish lemming' who is ultimately 'screwed' is I think, a step too far.
WWW do you honestly wonder why wannabes don't listen to you when you speak to them like that?!
I used to really enjoy this thread but it appears to be more or less dedicated to Wannabe bashing now. A real shame.
I would venture to suggest that Superdash represents the majority of Wannabes who simply don't like the way 'advice' is delivered on this thread. Being likened to a 'desperate, foolish lemming' who is ultimately 'screwed' is I think, a step too far.
WWW do you honestly wonder why wannabes don't listen to you when you speak to them like that?!
I used to really enjoy this thread but it appears to be more or less dedicated to Wannabe bashing now. A real shame.
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Matt,
Ryanair are not a UK based company therefore they do not follow what the UK CAA legislates. While many low houred guys have been taken on, experienced people have been taken on as well. (all Brookfield contracts. A friend who has a lot of 737 command time has just been taken on, 5/4 roster and the base of his choice)
easyJet have not hired any one on a permanent contract, just the summer ones with a dribble of winter work for a few. (our easyJet colleagues posting here can verify)
When the economy picks up and the demand for air travel also picks up, just watch the regional, charter, lo-co, bizjet and other airlines hoover up the experienced guys first. Reason, two words, "fast upgrade". Also, experienced folks usually have a contact or two and keep their eyes and ears open and skills up.
Note, I am talking about permanent full time contracts.
Ryanair are not a UK based company therefore they do not follow what the UK CAA legislates. While many low houred guys have been taken on, experienced people have been taken on as well. (all Brookfield contracts. A friend who has a lot of 737 command time has just been taken on, 5/4 roster and the base of his choice)
easyJet have not hired any one on a permanent contract, just the summer ones with a dribble of winter work for a few. (our easyJet colleagues posting here can verify)
When the economy picks up and the demand for air travel also picks up, just watch the regional, charter, lo-co, bizjet and other airlines hoover up the experienced guys first. Reason, two words, "fast upgrade". Also, experienced folks usually have a contact or two and keep their eyes and ears open and skills up.
Note, I am talking about permanent full time contracts.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Regarding the "you're screwed" comment.
I came over here in 2001 and watched as a couple of aeroplanes speared into some tall buildings.
Prior to that event the European and UK airlines had been very busy hiring like crazy.
Then it stopped.
I got my ATPL* in 2002 and spotted an opportunity at a night freight company working in ops which lead to a flying job in 2003.
My colleagues were not so lucky. A few completed their CPL/IRs in 2002 and 2003 and then nothing. There were no jobs for them and time on the ground meant their skills deteriorated and IR's lapsed.
Out of the 20 guys that were in the class doing ATPL theory, only 3 others got a flying job. 1 is teaching theory. Including myself, 25% were successful. The others? given up. I dare say the numbers would have been slightly better if they had finished their licences in 2005.
*I was converting an Australian ATPL to a JAA one. Already had 4500 hours when I came over, including 1,000 turboprop.
I came over here in 2001 and watched as a couple of aeroplanes speared into some tall buildings.
Prior to that event the European and UK airlines had been very busy hiring like crazy.
Then it stopped.
I got my ATPL* in 2002 and spotted an opportunity at a night freight company working in ops which lead to a flying job in 2003.
My colleagues were not so lucky. A few completed their CPL/IRs in 2002 and 2003 and then nothing. There were no jobs for them and time on the ground meant their skills deteriorated and IR's lapsed.
Out of the 20 guys that were in the class doing ATPL theory, only 3 others got a flying job. 1 is teaching theory. Including myself, 25% were successful. The others? given up. I dare say the numbers would have been slightly better if they had finished their licences in 2005.
*I was converting an Australian ATPL to a JAA one. Already had 4500 hours when I came over, including 1,000 turboprop.
Look chaps. I'm dearly sympathetic to the plight of Wannabes as evidenced by over a decade of moderating the two Wannabe forums.
I can do the 'constructive - chin up' posts all day long as I've had years of practice. I choose not to at the moment because SO MANY WANNABES ARE IN DENIAL.
The flying schools are doing strong business. Courses have not been cut and are full with just a little promotional discount. New schools are even starting up. People on the other forum are currently discussing which software to buy to help prepare for the CTC selection process.
And all the while. ALL THE WHILE the industry is slipping deeper into crisis, airlines are going bust, cutting back, closing recruitment or serving notice of consultation on redundancy. Even Monarch are looking to lay off 40 pilots and that's unheard of. Almost as unheard of as BA making redundancies.
To ensure maximum broadcast strength I have consciously simplified the signal.
If you're a job hunting Wannabe You Are Screwed.
Don't think I relish that fact. There will be the odd exception who lands a job. There probably will be a some opportunities to pay for a type rating and gain some work experience for token pay. But generally. Those who can only afford to go as far as the CPL/IR Frzn ATPL are screwed at the moment.
I personally know of pilots with > 10,000hrs, multiple commercial jet ratings and strong strong CV's who can't find work right now.
But this is not reflected in the attitude of many Wannabes who continue to believe that, for them, the job market will be different. For them, in a year or two, things will be back to normal. For them, its right to start training, or press on.
I seek to get through to them that they've made a misjudgment. If that offends you. If you read that as immature or sneering or unsympathetic then that's a price I pay for broadcasting an unambiguous and unpopular message.
Its a price I'm comfortable paying.
I have a Private Message inbox full of people thanking me for causing them change their training plan last year and the year before. They are sat on the sidelines of the present disaster zone keeping their powder dry. Its a nice place to be. I wish there were more there.
WWW
I can do the 'constructive - chin up' posts all day long as I've had years of practice. I choose not to at the moment because SO MANY WANNABES ARE IN DENIAL.
The flying schools are doing strong business. Courses have not been cut and are full with just a little promotional discount. New schools are even starting up. People on the other forum are currently discussing which software to buy to help prepare for the CTC selection process.
And all the while. ALL THE WHILE the industry is slipping deeper into crisis, airlines are going bust, cutting back, closing recruitment or serving notice of consultation on redundancy. Even Monarch are looking to lay off 40 pilots and that's unheard of. Almost as unheard of as BA making redundancies.
To ensure maximum broadcast strength I have consciously simplified the signal.
If you're a job hunting Wannabe You Are Screwed.
Don't think I relish that fact. There will be the odd exception who lands a job. There probably will be a some opportunities to pay for a type rating and gain some work experience for token pay. But generally. Those who can only afford to go as far as the CPL/IR Frzn ATPL are screwed at the moment.
I personally know of pilots with > 10,000hrs, multiple commercial jet ratings and strong strong CV's who can't find work right now.
But this is not reflected in the attitude of many Wannabes who continue to believe that, for them, the job market will be different. For them, in a year or two, things will be back to normal. For them, its right to start training, or press on.
I seek to get through to them that they've made a misjudgment. If that offends you. If you read that as immature or sneering or unsympathetic then that's a price I pay for broadcasting an unambiguous and unpopular message.
Its a price I'm comfortable paying.
I have a Private Message inbox full of people thanking me for causing them change their training plan last year and the year before. They are sat on the sidelines of the present disaster zone keeping their powder dry. Its a nice place to be. I wish there were more there.
WWW