Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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Quit living in fantasy-land. There is a huge surplus of unemployed pilots on the market with thousands of hours and many different Type Ratings. If you are currently not flying for a living now, then you probably won't for at least 2 more years. If you don't pull your head out of the sand and get a job(any kind of job) that pays, NOW ...then you will go deeper into debt than you already currently are. The pay for pilots will continue to go down along with quality of life....why....because there will always be some other person out there who will be willing to do your job for less....remember this. Why do you think the pay for a type rating....er, sorry, "Cadet program" is the way all airlines are going. It's because the airlines know that all it took was 1 person to do this and it would then be accepted as a standard. At least they called it something really really cool and official sounding like "cadet program" Trust me this is not standard. If you did this in a place like the US, the other pilots would take your name and your life would be hell.
Sorry to rain on your little parade folks, but this is what this industry has become....
Sorry to rain on your little parade folks, but this is what this industry has become....
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Recovery??...... BA March passenger volumes down | Reuters
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BA traffic falls 7% in March as 300 staff leave
British Airways said traffic dropped 7.3 per cent last month due to continuing challenging market conditions and added that 300 staff would leave the airline by the end of May as part of a voluntary redundancy scheme announced earlier this year.
Elsewhere Ryanair, the low cost Irish airline, said it carried 4.7 million passengers last month, 5 per cent more than last year, but that its planes were emptier, with its load factor falling to 77 per cent compared to 79 per cent in 2008.
Elsewhere Ryanair, the low cost Irish airline, said it carried 4.7 million passengers last month, 5 per cent more than last year, but that its planes were emptier, with its load factor falling to 77 per cent compared to 79 per cent in 2008.
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A little off topic here but it's a video that is well worth the watch...
The Crisis of Credit Visualized
The Crisis of Credit Visualized
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Hopes of an end to recession lift as downturn in services sector eases
good news everyone:
Hopes of an end to recession lift as downturn in services sector eases - Times Online
Hopes that Britain could soon emerge from the worst of the recession rose yesterday as the slump in the services sector eased and businesses reported readier access to credit.
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And don't ever get too misty eyed about the good times either:
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...hread-sad.html
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...hread-sad.html
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Can't we rename this thread?
The original thread was called Growing Evidence That The Downturn Is Upon Us and this thread was was started as a tonic by those who were fed up with the constant negativity and felt there were reasons to be optimistic.
However, it now seems that the loudest voices are those whose agendas are at odds with the theme of the thread. The very same people must be the sort who either already have jobs or have no interest in getting one, so one can only assume their motives for posting 'I told you so' or 'You should give up now' comments are not genuine.
If things don't change, how about renaming this thread 'A thread for Moaners and Clever Dicks' and remove it from the Wannabes section of Pprune?
The original thread was called Growing Evidence That The Downturn Is Upon Us and this thread was was started as a tonic by those who were fed up with the constant negativity and felt there were reasons to be optimistic.
However, it now seems that the loudest voices are those whose agendas are at odds with the theme of the thread. The very same people must be the sort who either already have jobs or have no interest in getting one, so one can only assume their motives for posting 'I told you so' or 'You should give up now' comments are not genuine.
If things don't change, how about renaming this thread 'A thread for Moaners and Clever Dicks' and remove it from the Wannabes section of Pprune?
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This thread is about trying to give information about the current state of the industry from those that are either currently working in aviation or folks who are kind enough to work in other professions but possess a pashion for aviation and are therefore willing to share their knowledge.
From what I can tell you have just finished your training into the biggest downturn in several decades and don't like what you are reading. You probably don't like what you find..... not a chocolate tea pot in hells chance of getting a job. This thread is aimed at stopping others suffering your fate until things pick up.
If the truth makes you uncomfortable suck it up and stop bitching about those that warned you 12 months ago about what was coming.
Anyway 100-1 outsider wins the national... you might get lucky. I'm now going to finish drinking myself into gibbering wreck watching Liverpool spank Fulham....
This thread is about trying to give information about the current state of the industry from those that are either currently working in aviation or folks who are kind enough to work in other professions but possess a pashion for aviation and are therefore willing to share their knowledge.
From what I can tell you have just finished your training into the biggest downturn in several decades and don't like what you are reading. You probably don't like what you find..... not a chocolate tea pot in hells chance of getting a job. This thread is aimed at stopping others suffering your fate until things pick up.
If the truth makes you uncomfortable suck it up and stop bitching about those that warned you 12 months ago about what was coming.
Anyway 100-1 outsider wins the national... you might get lucky. I'm now going to finish drinking myself into gibbering wreck watching Liverpool spank Fulham....
So, Mr Topslide6, you're one of those people who chooses to use insulting language as a matter of course, regardless of the circumstance and irrespective of the impression it gives of your own character. Brilliant. I hope I don't ever share a cockpit with you.
The fact that the person who started the thread couldn't see anything to be cheerful about doesn't mean they weren't fed up with the other thread.
And Getoffmycloud, which one are you? The Clever Dick or the Pompous
? I may have just finished training but that's neither here nor there. By the way, I don't think you need booze to act like a gibbering wreck...and please learn to spell.
The fact that the current job situation is dire doesn't mean that those who have a passion for Aviation should not train to become professional pilots. It is one thing to enlighten wannabes; quite another to bray with obvious delight about the situation.
When I started training 28 months ago things were not this bad and, in any case, if the other 100 applicants (assuming 100-1 as you suggest) for my first job show your arrogant conceit, I don't think I'll have any problem getting a job.
Your replies simply show the haughty arrogance of so many people on Pprune.
By the way, did you not see the light-hearted tongue on my post?
The fact that the person who started the thread couldn't see anything to be cheerful about doesn't mean they weren't fed up with the other thread.
And Getoffmycloud, which one are you? The Clever Dick or the Pompous
? I may have just finished training but that's neither here nor there. By the way, I don't think you need booze to act like a gibbering wreck...and please learn to spell.The fact that the current job situation is dire doesn't mean that those who have a passion for Aviation should not train to become professional pilots. It is one thing to enlighten wannabes; quite another to bray with obvious delight about the situation.
When I started training 28 months ago things were not this bad and, in any case, if the other 100 applicants (assuming 100-1 as you suggest) for my first job show your arrogant conceit, I don't think I'll have any problem getting a job.
Your replies simply show the haughty arrogance of so many people on Pprune.
By the way, did you not see the light-hearted tongue on my post?
Well, thank you for the luck. I will need it. 
In the interests of those who might be reading this and have yet to commit themselves to a training course, I shall elaborate. 28 months from Day 1 of the PPL to the end of the MCC is not abnormal. The fact that I have not delayed any part of my training is because it would not have been appropriate in my circumstances. For other, younger, ladies and gentlemen it might be a sensible course to take.
As to the 'braying' remark I made. You will find many, many similar comments on this thread. Plenty of people have reacted to the endless negativity on here. Not everyone agrees with certain people on this thread who regularly pour scorn on the plans and dreams of others. It is not the fact that they bring a little reality to the rosey dreams of hundreds of Wannabes that annoys me and many others, it is the manner with which they make those comments.
My personal circumstance are fine. Yes, it's depressing to spend so much money, time and effort on a dream only to find things are even tougher than you anticipated, but my optimism will keep me going. I don't have money problems because I planned carefully and had a bit of luck. I didn't follow my dream blindly! By all means paint an honest picture to the Wannabes on this website, but do it with good humour. Please.
In the interests of those who might be reading this and have yet to commit themselves to a training course, I shall elaborate. 28 months from Day 1 of the PPL to the end of the MCC is not abnormal. The fact that I have not delayed any part of my training is because it would not have been appropriate in my circumstances. For other, younger, ladies and gentlemen it might be a sensible course to take.
As to the 'braying' remark I made. You will find many, many similar comments on this thread. Plenty of people have reacted to the endless negativity on here. Not everyone agrees with certain people on this thread who regularly pour scorn on the plans and dreams of others. It is not the fact that they bring a little reality to the rosey dreams of hundreds of Wannabes that annoys me and many others, it is the manner with which they make those comments.
My personal circumstance are fine. Yes, it's depressing to spend so much money, time and effort on a dream only to find things are even tougher than you anticipated, but my optimism will keep me going. I don't have money problems because I planned carefully and had a bit of luck. I didn't follow my dream blindly! By all means paint an honest picture to the Wannabes on this website, but do it with good humour. Please.
Hmmm, perhaps humour isn't the most appropriate word in the context of so many redundancies; it was late at night when I posted. Perhaps benevolent would be more apt.
As for our perspectives being poles apart, I am fully aware of the state of the industry and I am desperately sorry for those who are made redundant. Poles apart? I don't know. We're all in a situation.
I hope you keep your job.
As for our perspectives being poles apart, I am fully aware of the state of the industry and I am desperately sorry for those who are made redundant. Poles apart? I don't know. We're all in a
situation. I hope you keep your job.
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Despite it being the worst possible time in the most competitive industry there is with countless pilots not working and newgrads who never will work it does amuse me to read someone say "I will have no problem getting a job."
Now you obviously know something that I and many others do not. Pray tell, what little secret do you have? Starting your own airline maybe? In which case can I be your righthand man? At least it will pay the bills for a week or two before it fails!
Seriously though, you have no idea mate!
Now you obviously know something that I and many others do not. Pray tell, what little secret do you have? Starting your own airline maybe? In which case can I be your righthand man? At least it will pay the bills for a week or two before it fails!
Seriously though, you have no idea mate!