View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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66.67%
Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
1
16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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16.67%
Voters: 6. This poll is closed
Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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Going on what was said at the seminar a week ago Saturday that used to be the case but not so much any more, and the days of airlines paying TRs for new hires is pretty much over (there are exceptions to every rule of course)
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DEANO777 ( 236 ER ? 300? OR 200LR) OK A LITTLE HUMOUR IS OK I GUESS!!!
I totally agree with u but i guess that even though the TR is not a gift from the employer anymore u can do it with them and then can be deducted from ur salary.
Just a simple question for u: would u consider doing a TR before getting a job?
p.s: dont know if u fly for an airline or not but one more opinion will help all of us in the future!!
THANKS MATEY!!!
I totally agree with u but i guess that even though the TR is not a gift from the employer anymore u can do it with them and then can be deducted from ur salary.
Just a simple question for u: would u consider doing a TR before getting a job?
p.s: dont know if u fly for an airline or not but one more opinion will help all of us in the future!!
THANKS MATEY!!!
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Hi Pilot
I'll go for the 777-236
What you say is true but which ever way you dress it up or down you pay for the TR, directly or indirectly.
I am currently at the flight training stage, should be ready for the airlines by January / Feburary, would I consider doing a TR before getting a job? a very subjective question I guess, and very person specific, I would have to think long and hard before I did, at this moment in time if I thought there was a high possibility of a job afterwards then yes I probably would, but every person's situation is different, I am 33, I have to try to enhance my chances of gaining employment every which way I could, and if I thought a TR was the way forward then I would do it, and very begrudgingly so, what I wouldn't do is lay my house on it, that's a very risky thing to do, I'd have to make sure I was comfortable with spending the kind of money it would cost.
As for what type, well, this would depend on who I was targeting, it would have to be the 737 or 320, I'd love to get a Q400 TR as I'd love to fly this bird period, but if I couldn't land a job with a certain Exeter based outfit then I'd be up sh*tstreet without a paddle, after hearing a few things at the seminar I'd have to opt for the 737NG rating, but that's just my opinion
Dean
I'll go for the 777-236
What you say is true but which ever way you dress it up or down you pay for the TR, directly or indirectly.
I am currently at the flight training stage, should be ready for the airlines by January / Feburary, would I consider doing a TR before getting a job? a very subjective question I guess, and very person specific, I would have to think long and hard before I did, at this moment in time if I thought there was a high possibility of a job afterwards then yes I probably would, but every person's situation is different, I am 33, I have to try to enhance my chances of gaining employment every which way I could, and if I thought a TR was the way forward then I would do it, and very begrudgingly so, what I wouldn't do is lay my house on it, that's a very risky thing to do, I'd have to make sure I was comfortable with spending the kind of money it would cost.
As for what type, well, this would depend on who I was targeting, it would have to be the 737 or 320, I'd love to get a Q400 TR as I'd love to fly this bird period, but if I couldn't land a job with a certain Exeter based outfit then I'd be up sh*tstreet without a paddle, after hearing a few things at the seminar I'd have to opt for the 737NG rating, but that's just my opinion
Dean
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Dean u are very well informed and down to earth!! This is an advantage of getting a job as u know better than me! Q400 its amazing and sounds like a very 'cheap' and optimistic option for job hunters!
i'm still under training and i cant wait to finish... of course instead of the type rating theres the option for an instructor's course!!
Although if i had the chance i could go for a 777-236 TR!! HAHAHAAHAA joke euh? Im in love with that bird !!!!
i'm still under training and i cant wait to finish... of course instead of the type rating theres the option for an instructor's course!!
Although if i had the chance i could go for a 777-236 TR!! HAHAHAAHAA joke euh? Im in love with that bird !!!!
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Hi again
The Q400 is a wonderful bird isn't she (obviously not talking from experience), I would love to fly her, and a wonderful learning curve she would be too, the only problem in doing a Q400 TR is that there is only one operator here in the UK who flies them, FlyBe, I would love to fly for FlyBe on the Q400, but obtaining the TR up front limits you to this company only, not a bad thing if they hire you, but if they don't then you are stuck with a pretty useless TR if you want to fly in the UK.
Instructor's rating for me after the MCC, then I'll look at a SSTR, how far are you in your training pilot-320?
The Q400 is a wonderful bird isn't she (obviously not talking from experience), I would love to fly her, and a wonderful learning curve she would be too, the only problem in doing a Q400 TR is that there is only one operator here in the UK who flies them, FlyBe, I would love to fly for FlyBe on the Q400, but obtaining the TR up front limits you to this company only, not a bad thing if they hire you, but if they don't then you are stuck with a pretty useless TR if you want to fly in the UK.
Instructor's rating for me after the MCC, then I'll look at a SSTR, how far are you in your training pilot-320?
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I guess the answer to the risk part of your question is yes. But without a type rating, no job offer on a B737 or an A320. Simple as that.
And as you can read from other posters, people get hired with low hours and 1 hour on the type. So if you can finance it, go for it
And as you can read from other posters, people get hired with low hours and 1 hour on the type. So if you can finance it, go for it
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prices of 737 TR let's list them!
Hi,
Maybe it exists, maybe I wasn't lucky to find it. However I've been browsing plenty of messages concerning 737 TR prices, pros vs. cons. and havent found a lot.
My question is, why don't we start putting together all the prices and comments of the TRTOs?
I'll start with :
Astraeus:
B737-3/4/500 Type Rating Training
(All ground school and simulator in the UK)
- 13 days technical and performance ground school and Examinations
- 16 hours fixed base simulator
- 36 hours full flight simulator
£11,750.00 + VAT
- 1 hour of base training (up to a maximum of 6 landings in any one hour)
£4,000.00 + VAT
Sabena:
B737 TR + base training: 26000€
Bond Aviation: (answered me with an hotmail account?!?!)
This is for the EFIS, If you need more information on more models I'll be glad to sent that information
Your investment for B-737/ EFIS Type Rating is $7,995 US (Discount for 2 or more students). This include:
Set of manuals, Cockpit panel
64 Hours Ground School
20 Hours Full Flight SIM (10 left seat, 10 right seat)
4 Hours Fixed Based SIM Training
2 Hours FAA SIM Type Rating Check Ride
1 Hour FAA Oral Exam by on staff Training Center Evaluator
FAA Evaluator fees included for Oral & SIM check. Also included at no additional cost CRM, CFIT, & RVSM Certification. For your convenience we have in-house evaluators and proud to say our pass rate is 100%. Another benefit we offer is the aircraft system CD from CPAT for only $360.00 US.
We recommend you received your materials at least 3 weeks in advance for home study before first day of class. Registration fee in the amount
of $1,500 US will reserve your seat and we will ship your materials. We can give you more information on how to do a wire transfer.
If you have your ATP written, you can acquire your ATP at no extra charge.
Maybe it exists, maybe I wasn't lucky to find it. However I've been browsing plenty of messages concerning 737 TR prices, pros vs. cons. and havent found a lot.
My question is, why don't we start putting together all the prices and comments of the TRTOs?
I'll start with :
Astraeus:
B737-3/4/500 Type Rating Training
(All ground school and simulator in the UK)
- 13 days technical and performance ground school and Examinations
- 16 hours fixed base simulator
- 36 hours full flight simulator
£11,750.00 + VAT
- 1 hour of base training (up to a maximum of 6 landings in any one hour)
£4,000.00 + VAT
Sabena:
B737 TR + base training: 26000€
Bond Aviation: (answered me with an hotmail account?!?!)
This is for the EFIS, If you need more information on more models I'll be glad to sent that information
Your investment for B-737/ EFIS Type Rating is $7,995 US (Discount for 2 or more students). This include:
Set of manuals, Cockpit panel
64 Hours Ground School
20 Hours Full Flight SIM (10 left seat, 10 right seat)
4 Hours Fixed Based SIM Training
2 Hours FAA SIM Type Rating Check Ride
1 Hour FAA Oral Exam by on staff Training Center Evaluator
FAA Evaluator fees included for Oral & SIM check. Also included at no additional cost CRM, CFIT, & RVSM Certification. For your convenience we have in-house evaluators and proud to say our pass rate is 100%. Another benefit we offer is the aircraft system CD from CPAT for only $360.00 US.
We recommend you received your materials at least 3 weeks in advance for home study before first day of class. Registration fee in the amount
of $1,500 US will reserve your seat and we will ship your materials. We can give you more information on how to do a wire transfer.
If you have your ATP written, you can acquire your ATP at no extra charge.
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the hours they give you in the USA are the minimum time by law...usually you don't pass a check ride with 20hours sim(10hours in reality) , when in Europe they ask for 60-70h.
FAA t/ rating are not recognized in Europe, and you will have to spend some money here in a sim to get a JAA type rating(plus you need the line training). I don't think you save lot of money if you go to the USA...and you have to deal with the TSA, DHS, fingerprints, Visa,...are they M1 visa approved? TSA accepts only M1 or J1 visa and B1 when ICE accept only M1 orJ1 (call the TSA and get your clearance and visa BEFORE paying anything).
as for the Cpat prg, 360$ is the normal price, so they do not offer you anything.
Remark like this, make me feel that I should stay away from this organisation.
have they placed pilots, do they help you to get a paid job(not eaglejet).Hidden fee? do they really do what they say? I doubt!
at this time there are no visa for type rating in the USA. Even Flight Safety is not M1 approved .
Students going to the USA on a tourist visa or visa waiver take the risk to be deported as ICE does'nt recognize the B2 or visa waiver for t-rating.Ask your US embassy for clarification.
FAA t/ rating are not recognized in Europe, and you will have to spend some money here in a sim to get a JAA type rating(plus you need the line training). I don't think you save lot of money if you go to the USA...and you have to deal with the TSA, DHS, fingerprints, Visa,...are they M1 visa approved? TSA accepts only M1 or J1 visa and B1 when ICE accept only M1 orJ1 (call the TSA and get your clearance and visa BEFORE paying anything).
as for the Cpat prg, 360$ is the normal price, so they do not offer you anything.
Remark like this, make me feel that I should stay away from this organisation.
have they placed pilots, do they help you to get a paid job(not eaglejet
).Hidden fee? do they really do what they say? I doubt!at this time there are no visa for type rating in the USA. Even Flight Safety is not M1 approved .
Students going to the USA on a tourist visa or visa waiver take the risk to be deported as ICE does'nt recognize the B2 or visa waiver for t-rating.Ask your US embassy for clarification.
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Which Rating?
I am about to embark on a SSTR including 100hrs of line training. The problem I am facing is which rating to do, either the 737 or 757. I invite opinions as to which rating is most sought after in todays market, and the prospects of gaining employment with only 100hrs on type. I realise that there are pros and cons to each type and think the more opinions you can compare, the easier it will be to decide which one. I know this thread has been covered before but with an ever changing demand in the job market, I would appreciate up to date views.
Thanks for the help
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Thanks for the help
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For the full range of opinions, try an advanced search using the key words 'Type Rating' (restricted to titles only), limited to just the last 3 or 6 months. You will find that all the relevent topics will be displayed (including this one) and you can browse at your leisure.
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Dartagnan is right, be very careful because the money you will spend for a type rating or anything else might lead to stop your career if you don't find a pilot job straight after your investment. I will give you my story as an exemple:
After my CPL/IR and several months of search for a empty right seat, I finally joined an airline and worked for a year as flight dispatcher, and a year later as Cabin crew. I quickly realised there were no possibility to shorcut and jump from the cabin to the flight deck, so I decided to pay for my own A320 type rating (no line training included). That has been the worst decision in my career: all airlines (even in third world countries) asked hours on type, not even 100 hrs, but at least 300 - 500 hrs on type. They really didn't care about my type rating as they receive tons of applications from pilots in the same situation. Their first question has always been ''how many hours on type do you have? We need 500 hrs on type''. Other said'' we are in partnership with this TRTO which provide our F/Os'' etc..
Several months later and 450 hrs TT, I went to Turkey and talked to the chiefs who offered me a nice right seat position to fly 500 hrs on the A320 for 25000 euros. Desperate, I was ready to make a loan and join, but they already had 12 rich guys in line training at that time, and I wouldn't have been able to start before next season 2007.
I have no more money to keep current my TR, I am out of the game
Finally, I recently found a job on a king Air, a friend of a friend...it's been hard to justify to the CP why I do have the A320 rating, and what were my career objectives. He gave me a chance as I have been referred, but paying for rating (or flying) is definitely not appreciated in the industry.
I am not the only one, my A320 partner and 2 other friends are now instructing on C152...
After my CPL/IR and several months of search for a empty right seat, I finally joined an airline and worked for a year as flight dispatcher, and a year later as Cabin crew. I quickly realised there were no possibility to shorcut and jump from the cabin to the flight deck, so I decided to pay for my own A320 type rating (no line training included). That has been the worst decision in my career: all airlines (even in third world countries) asked hours on type, not even 100 hrs, but at least 300 - 500 hrs on type. They really didn't care about my type rating as they receive tons of applications from pilots in the same situation. Their first question has always been ''how many hours on type do you have? We need 500 hrs on type''. Other said'' we are in partnership with this TRTO which provide our F/Os'' etc..
Several months later and 450 hrs TT, I went to Turkey and talked to the chiefs who offered me a nice right seat position to fly 500 hrs on the A320 for 25000 euros. Desperate, I was ready to make a loan and join, but they already had 12 rich guys in line training at that time, and I wouldn't have been able to start before next season 2007.
I have no more money to keep current my TR, I am out of the game
Finally, I recently found a job on a king Air, a friend of a friend...it's been hard to justify to the CP why I do have the A320 rating, and what were my career objectives. He gave me a chance as I have been referred, but paying for rating (or flying) is definitely not appreciated in the industry.
I am not the only one, my A320 partner and 2 other friends are now instructing on C152...
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paying for a t-rating can go against you.
I have no type rating but hours, and I see more and more people are interested by me.why? they can bond me, or I have money to pay for a type rating on one of their planes.
people offering you a type rating, are just looking at the 30% they can make from you.They do not care about you, they want just your money and you bye bye...
(and don't forget, it is no tax free)
so keep your money for now...until you have a job promess by a serious airline.
I have no type rating but hours, and I see more and more people are interested by me.why? they can bond me, or I have money to pay for a type rating on one of their planes.
people offering you a type rating, are just looking at the 30% they can make from you.They do not care about you, they want just your money and you bye bye...
(and don't forget, it is no tax free)
so keep your money for now...until you have a job promess by a serious airline.
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Faa Type Rating
Hello everyone. I have a question regarding obtaining an FAA 737 tr with 300-500HRS on type. I currently have IRISH CPL/IR WITH FATPL. I live in the states and HAVE A FAMILY. I would like to minimise time spent away from home by completing FAA TR IN the US. I would like to know if it is possible to convert the US TR without having to complete a JAA initial, or if there are reduced requirements for pilots with time in type. If at all possible I would like to hear any feedback regarding employability after the completion of TR. Many thanks for any information furnished.
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Salary during Type Rating
If you get offered a contract by an airline and you are then required to do your type rating, does the airline give you a salary or an allowance while you are doing the training? If so, is it a partial salary or full starting salary?
Also, what about the CTC's AQC course. When you are doing the type rating do you receive a salary or allowance. If so how much?
Also, what about the CTC's AQC course. When you are doing the type rating do you receive a salary or allowance. If so how much?
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If an airline offers a contract conditional on you paying for and achieving a type rating, don't expect to get paid. If an airline offers you employment, during which you are expected to undergo a type rating at the airline's expense, you may or may not receive a salary. Basically, there is no rule - every airline has its own system. All are covered here on Pprune - time to learn how to use the Search facility!
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JAA Type Rating providers (North America)
Hi!!!
I am trying to find a TRTO providing JAA Type Ratings, especially an A320 Type Rating, in North America (USA or Canada), I can't find any!
Anyone can help me?? Some names?
Thank you very much!
Jey
I am trying to find a TRTO providing JAA Type Ratings, especially an A320 Type Rating, in North America (USA or Canada), I can't find any!
Anyone can help me?? Some names?
Thank you very much!
Jey
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What rating?
First of all I want to say hello to you all. It has been a while since I last posted here.
Now to the question.
What rating should one go for these days? I am a low hr guy, so I am thinking of a TP rating. I think it is better to start from there and move upwards later on when experience permits, bad idea?. But the hard part is to know which A/C type one should put my money in 
.
Any tips would be appreciated.
(Sorry for the bad english)
Cheers from the Swedish guy
Now to the question.
What rating should one go for these days? I am a low hr guy, so I am thinking of a TP rating. I think it is better to start from there and move upwards later on when experience permits
, bad idea?. But the hard part is to know which A/C type one should put my money in .Any tips would be appreciated.
(Sorry for the bad english)
Cheers from the Swedish guy
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747 Type rating
Just wondering, is there any companies that offer the 747 type rating in the world together with line traiing?, and what is the cost?. As all mostly i've seen in the UK are 737 training packages and not 747 ones before, so just hope people can help me out on this.
Thanks
Brian304
Thanks
Brian304
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The Icelandic Flight Academy are currently advertising a 747 classic sstr with line training in association with Air Atlanta Icelandic, not sure what the minimum requirements to apply are (would have thought more than a frozen ATPL with 250 hours would be required). Also Parc in association with Cargolux did a 747 sstr a few years back (minimum requirement to apply was 1500 hours). In thoery the sim time shouldn't cost that much more than a 737, however on the base check you will be paying for twice as many engines, hence I imagine the base check would be quite expensive.