View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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16.67%
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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737 vs Airbus
When doing a type rating course, one should be very careful regarding two important aspects. One, current market. Two, personal experience. India is booming currently, meaning B737 gives good chances. I did my TR last year endorsed it in FAA lic. It came as a shock when I got invited to B737 position with large Indian operator. At the time it was more than a year since I did my TR, and I had 0 hrs experience on type. Had to turn it down, though. I am walking on the greener grass right now. My assumption is that I was invited because I have 500+ hours airline flying on a different type and more than 2000TT, bizjets, tprops... So it is all a merger of different factors in order to be offered job as O hrs on type. On the other hand, I strongly recommend A320 to low hours guys/ girls because EU market will, and already takes low hour A320 pilots. Sound judgment, patience and remember: never, NEVER fly for free.
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A320 Type rating with no hours on type = NO JOB...except if you are willing to pay for your experience!
I had to pay for 300 hours on type before having a chance to get paid.
There are lots of A320 type rated pilots waiting for a chance to join a SELF FUNDED line training. Simply ask Manuelvi....I am pretty sure he's gonna give 10500$US to Atlasjet to fly 150 hours, with no job promise (once he'll get the visa in 2 months).
A type rating is very expensive: be aware that it's useless without experience on the type and even if you're willing to pay to get into the right seat, it's still hard to get in!
Anyway the summer season has started and most airlines are set for now. If you want to pay for line training, it's gonna be next year...
I had to pay for 300 hours on type before having a chance to get paid.
There are lots of A320 type rated pilots waiting for a chance to join a SELF FUNDED line training. Simply ask Manuelvi....I am pretty sure he's gonna give 10500$US to Atlasjet to fly 150 hours, with no job promise (once he'll get the visa in 2 months).
A type rating is very expensive: be aware that it's useless without experience on the type and even if you're willing to pay to get into the right seat, it's still hard to get in!
Anyway the summer season has started and most airlines are set for now. If you want to pay for line training, it's gonna be next year...
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Being a turncoat and having persued a self funded line training on MYT as far as signing up to it ( I bailed out after susccessful selection at GECAT) and then flirted with GECAT, bailed out of that too as someone offered to pay me a salary to do my TR and a permy job to boot. I now have changed my mind with these paying to work schemes. Have a little patience, apply to companies who would recruit inexperienced folk, not to everyone, which is a waste of time. I have managed to find a job which TR and LT is all paid for; this paying to work lark is utter madness! Be patient network like never before and don't pay for ANY line training. TR self sponsored is one thing but don't pay to work the line. Every airline is taking its example from the airlines who do this, MYT, FR etc.. It's wrong and is pure exploitation. Choose carefuly which TRTO you go to as well. Some give no help in placements and a TR with zero hours is worth diddly.
Alas there are some airlines who think this is wrong too and thank goodness. I'm joining one of them. To be honest a huge number of airlines are now recruiting people direct with no TR. As a result the likes of GECAT have a massive backlog in placing their swimmers.
Alas there are some airlines who think this is wrong too and thank goodness. I'm joining one of them. To be honest a huge number of airlines are now recruiting people direct with no TR. As a result the likes of GECAT have a massive backlog in placing their swimmers.
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Simply ask Manuelvi....I am pretty sure he's gonna give 10500$US to Atlasjet to fly 150 hours, with no job promise
Well what you are saying it's not totally true since yes...it's difficult to get a job without hrs on type but not impossible.
All depends also from were you did your training and what are you willing to do in order to obtain what you are dreaming.
It's true, i signed with atlas as last chance but in the last month i was contacted by other 4 airlines not asking me to pay to fly.
I'm still talking with these airlines so it's not so sure i'll pay for my line training.
About atlas again, there is the possibility to join the company after the "training" and if you are willing to move to jeddah you'll get very nicely payed and have the possibility to get the 10500$ back pretty soon.
It's a personal choice, i understand who prefers to wait and get in with luck, determination without time problems but we are not all the same, different ages,backgrounds etc...
A type rating is very expensive: be aware that it's useless without experience on the type and even if you're willing to pay to get into the right seat, it's still hard to get in!
It's hard to get in if you are an idiot, i mean if you got your TR simply because you payed but you don't have a clue on how the airplane flies and believe me, there's a lot of people out there which correspond to this description.
You can pay for a line training yes but you need to be able to fly to do that, it's just not enough to pay to get in fortunately.
cheers
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Pocket Rockets
Guys'n gals,
Has anyone opted for the cortporate Jet TR route? thinking of doing a HS125-800 rating. Anyone know/recommend places for a JAR rating?? I nearly choked with the prices they are charging in UK! only know of US of A or Dubai.
Has anyone opted for the cortporate Jet TR route? thinking of doing a HS125-800 rating. Anyone know/recommend places for a JAR rating?? I nearly choked with the prices they are charging in UK! only know of US of A or Dubai.
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Tread very carefully. You are potentially trying to enter one of the toughest niches in the industry where invariably jobs are hardly ever advertised and the majority of jobs are filled via word of mouth. A type rating will do little if you are not known to the chief pilot or another senior member of the team.
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Thanks for the info PKB. Sadly, this is a fact of life, its who you know not what you know. But I figured, having a rating would be one step further than having nowt. Doing the rating would at least prove that one has the ability & the commitment, albeit at a cost, of pursuing a career in aviation. Dubai seems favourable for costs at the mo.
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would have to agree with potkettleblack. i asked this same question and believe me , most bizjet operators are totally against sstr and so if you send off a cv with type rating on it and no hours IT WILL END UP IN THE BIN. also if you say you will pay for your type rating on a cv that will also see it end up in the bin. i know its not what either you or me want to hear but it is the reality. its catch 22 no type and no hours= no job. type and no hours = no job. perseverance and building a network = takes longer but they are hiring because they value you and your personality/ ability. this is only my take on the subject, everyone has their own opinion. no matter what i wish you the best of luck.
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dfs mentioned the magical word which is networking. Very few make it through to a job with luck and being in the right place at the right time. On these forums you tend to get a very biased view of the job market with lots of tales of successes and the usual ranting that comes from those unfortunates. Most don't make it at all and give up. If you persevere then you are already ahead of the game. The amount of guys I bumped into that are unmotivated and are totally clueless about getting a job egged me on loads in my search.
Unfortunately few ever think about how to get a job until after they have completed their training, by which time they may have a CPL from here an IR from there and an MCC in a kingair cardboard bomber box done somewhere cheap next to the black stump. During the course of their training they would have bumped into no one of any significance in helping them get a job which surely is the whole aim of the exercise in the first place.
So how to network? Well some find it more natural than others. Firstly you need to recognise the fact that us pilots are actually a small minority in the scheme of things. Something like 1% of the population or less would be my guess. That means you just don't bump into airline pilots and training captains willy nilly. You need to seek them out. Certain airfield bars tend to attract some, some offer their services as FI's, others have their own aircraft and fly for fun. Others might do a bit of consultancy work on the side teaching things like MCC courses, JOC's, JOT's and any other acronyms you might like to think up. Others love a round of golf and can be found propping up the 19th. Sports clubs can also be a good source of meeting these folks. The aim of the game is trying to meet these people.
Op's jobs have worked for many in the past. Not necessarily being a despatcher but what about trying the huge number of corporate operators based around the smaller airfields like BOH, Bristol and the likes. There are also the medivac companies who might have an office job going that can be a good way to get your foot in the door whilst earning a buck. There has been many a pilot that has been tactically caught with their head in a jeppy plate just as the chief pilot walks past their desk which then leads to the inevitable "oh I never knew you had your flying licences"....
Finally if you aren't even getting interviews then ask yourself some tough questions? Is it anything to do with me? Did I go to cr*p schools - some airlines prefer certain schools and that is a reality that few like to admit. Is my CV cr*p or missing vital selling points like I am immediately available for work? Is my cover letter cr*p? The latter few points can hopefully be resolved with getting some professional advice. There are a couple of pilots offering these sorts of services that are discussed reasonably regularly here on pprune if you search them out. Never underestimate the importance of a cover letter. It can be a real selling point and get across why you have a connection to a particular country (if the job you are going for is away from your home), that you are immediately available etc etc. There are loads of good examples out there using google search of professional cover letters and formats including decent CV's as well that are uncluttered and fill less than 1 page.
Good luck.
Unfortunately few ever think about how to get a job until after they have completed their training, by which time they may have a CPL from here an IR from there and an MCC in a kingair cardboard bomber box done somewhere cheap next to the black stump. During the course of their training they would have bumped into no one of any significance in helping them get a job which surely is the whole aim of the exercise in the first place.
So how to network? Well some find it more natural than others. Firstly you need to recognise the fact that us pilots are actually a small minority in the scheme of things. Something like 1% of the population or less would be my guess. That means you just don't bump into airline pilots and training captains willy nilly. You need to seek them out. Certain airfield bars tend to attract some, some offer their services as FI's, others have their own aircraft and fly for fun. Others might do a bit of consultancy work on the side teaching things like MCC courses, JOC's, JOT's and any other acronyms you might like to think up. Others love a round of golf and can be found propping up the 19th. Sports clubs can also be a good source of meeting these folks. The aim of the game is trying to meet these people.
Op's jobs have worked for many in the past. Not necessarily being a despatcher but what about trying the huge number of corporate operators based around the smaller airfields like BOH, Bristol and the likes. There are also the medivac companies who might have an office job going that can be a good way to get your foot in the door whilst earning a buck. There has been many a pilot that has been tactically caught with their head in a jeppy plate just as the chief pilot walks past their desk which then leads to the inevitable "oh I never knew you had your flying licences"....
Finally if you aren't even getting interviews then ask yourself some tough questions? Is it anything to do with me? Did I go to cr*p schools - some airlines prefer certain schools and that is a reality that few like to admit. Is my CV cr*p or missing vital selling points like I am immediately available for work? Is my cover letter cr*p? The latter few points can hopefully be resolved with getting some professional advice. There are a couple of pilots offering these sorts of services that are discussed reasonably regularly here on pprune if you search them out. Never underestimate the importance of a cover letter. It can be a real selling point and get across why you have a connection to a particular country (if the job you are going for is away from your home), that you are immediately available etc etc. There are loads of good examples out there using google search of professional cover letters and formats including decent CV's as well that are uncluttered and fill less than 1 page.
Good luck.
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A heartfelt thanks for the words of wisdom PKB & dfspilot! I'm still determined to get ahead & agreed, networking is the way forward, it is an insestuious industry & I am hoping to wedge my way in somehow. Age & time are not on my side but passion (lets face it how many other things spring to mind, that you can have so much fun with your clothes on!) cetainly is. Presently Im still in the IT sector - one of the other quick ways of legally making quick cash, but dont necessarily want to wste money by doing a TR. several years ago I attended on of those Professiona Pilot conferences & the guy from the CAA said you'd be better off betting on a horse! so there we go....
Watch this space for any updates.....
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Watch this space for any updates.....
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here here pkb, mohit c if you dont know, do your research as does everyone else. i could write about type ratings for a week!!!!!!!!!! go visit boeing and airbus sites for a start and go to type rating organizations.
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Okay I had a look at some packages of Type Rating and more or less understand it. Hell they're dahm expensive. By what it seems like, €15'900 for a single rating seems a lot. Is there any airline that still pays for the Type Rating?
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Paying For Your Type Rating
Hi folks,
A few mates and I were discussing the trend for self-funded type ratings over a few pints the other night and wondered how many out there were:
A) Suitably financed to do it and would
B) Agreed with the concept but sadly couldn't afford it
C) Disagreed with the concept and to hell with airlines
So, it's pretty simple for you now, honoured reader, post your answer below, with a brief line (or nine) detailing your reasoning!
Cheers,
VFE.
A few mates and I were discussing the trend for self-funded type ratings over a few pints the other night and wondered how many out there were:
A) Suitably financed to do it and would
B) Agreed with the concept but sadly couldn't afford it
C) Disagreed with the concept and to hell with airlines
So, it's pretty simple for you now, honoured reader, post your answer below, with a brief line (or nine) detailing your reasoning!
Cheers,
VFE.
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If I can hold on to my current non flying job after training, I should be in a position to be able to buy a type rating within 6 months to a year.
However I'm still going to bank with option C.) but with the following exceptions:
a.) The outfit requiring the rating is reputable (there are a few)
b.) 2 years passing by without a flying job.
However I'm still going to bank with option C.) but with the following exceptions:
a.) The outfit requiring the rating is reputable (there are a few)
b.) 2 years passing by without a flying job.
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Personally I think it is a massive massive risk to enter into a TR without a firm job offer, I am sure there are plenty of people who are willing to share a horror story, I know of at least 2.
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After over 2-3 years of looking and nothing, now thinking of taking the plunge but financing the rating would be extremely differcult and put a huge burdon on my family.
I totally disagree with the concept but for someone who is over 30 it may be the only way to go.
A FI rating is not a possiblity for me due to the low pay and to be honest instructing doesn't appeal to me.
Friends of mine have done ratings and are now successfully employed but it is still a hell of a gamble to take without a guaranteed job offer.
I totally disagree with the concept but for someone who is over 30 it may be the only way to go.
A FI rating is not a possiblity for me due to the low pay and to be honest instructing doesn't appeal to me.
Friends of mine have done ratings and are now successfully employed but it is still a hell of a gamble to take without a guaranteed job offer.