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Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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Type Costs
Now I am a great fan of the Search function but cannot seem to establish any relevant results that relate to typical prices for Type Ratings. I know I've come across this in the past without much interest but now that I would like to get access to those threads I can't seem to find 'em.
Any clever people who might know a thing or two about type rating costs I would REALLY appreciate it.
Anyway hope all else is fine and my fellow ppruners are still smiling
Any clever people who might know a thing or two about type rating costs I would REALLY appreciate it.
Anyway hope all else is fine and my fellow ppruners are still smiling
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Well I was think along the lines of Boeing 737 Classic/NG, 757/767, How does that compare with a rating on say a turboprop or regional jet.
I am sure I came across a long list of general prices for numerous aircraft in the past and at the time didn't think too much of it .... until now
I have checked out a few such as the 737 CL at Lufthansa Flight training at 16,450 Euros per person but I guess I'd need to factor in Base Training too.
I am sure I came across a long list of general prices for numerous aircraft in the past and at the time didn't think too much of it .... until now
I have checked out a few such as the 737 CL at Lufthansa Flight training at 16,450 Euros per person but I guess I'd need to factor in Base Training too.
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Boeing 737 rating's are about £16,000 - £19,000 or £20,000 to £22,000 in the UK. NG upgrades cost approx. £2500. The last 757/767 rating i saw was about £25000.
As for turboprops...ATR 42/72 cost around 17k in the UK and about 12k abroad. Kingair ratings are about 12k UK but can be done for as little as £5000 in some countries.
All the prices I've mentioned included the base checks. To be honest, with the market the way it is I dont think a type rating is that great an idea anymore unless its done through an airline/training company. i.e. Ryanair/Easyjet/Monarch/Thomas cook because none of the mentioned airlines are currently recruiting no hour type rating pilots unless it was done through them or CTC .
As for turboprops...ATR 42/72 cost around 17k in the UK and about 12k abroad. Kingair ratings are about 12k UK but can be done for as little as £5000 in some countries.
All the prices I've mentioned included the base checks. To be honest, with the market the way it is I dont think a type rating is that great an idea anymore unless its done through an airline/training company. i.e. Ryanair/Easyjet/Monarch/Thomas cook because none of the mentioned airlines are currently recruiting no hour type rating pilots unless it was done through them or CTC
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Low-cost type rating providers?
I have been searching the net, and I must say this huge difference in price between different type rating providers surprised me.
For a B737 classic rating, Price ranges from over 20000 to 14400 Euros.
When you buy a business class ticket you get extra leg space and free nuts, but what do you get extra when you buy a expensive “business” class type rating compare to a low cost rating, both take you to the same place, right?
For a B737 classic rating, Price ranges from over 20000 to 14400 Euros.
When you buy a business class ticket you get extra leg space and free nuts, but what do you get extra when you buy a expensive “business” class type rating compare to a low cost rating, both take you to the same place, right?
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I did my rating on the B737 and paid aprox. 20 000 Euro, plus base check 5 000.
Well it was ok. But I honestly don’t know why they charge over 5 000 Euros extra for nothing. (No accommodation, that at least another 1 000 Euros) Well they claim they have good connections with airlines, and many of their students find job. It might be true, but I had to find it by myself. If you are a type rating provider you most certainly have connections with airlines so it doesn’t make any of them special.
If I would have know I could save over 6 000 euros.. guess the answer.
Well it was ok. But I honestly don’t know why they charge over 5 000 Euros extra for nothing. (No accommodation, that at least another 1 000 Euros) Well they claim they have good connections with airlines, and many of their students find job. It might be true, but I had to find it by myself. If you are a type rating provider you most certainly have connections with airlines so it doesn’t make any of them special.
If I would have know I could save over 6 000 euros.. guess the answer.
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Jimmy,
"reinheim" Are we talking about the same company? www.randhem.com
Randhem charge you 5000 euro (fixed price) for the B737 base check.
6 touch and go with Sterling Airways.
"reinheim" Are we talking about the same company? www.randhem.com
Randhem charge you 5000 euro (fixed price) for the B737 base check.
6 touch and go with Sterling Airways.
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But, Randhem has no job or contact with airlines to help you. The 737 Classic rating is in the USA so you have to spend about 1000 € to go there. The Hotel is included in the price (14400€) I know.
5000 the Base check. So It will be about 20500 € to complete. Plus some cost for european movement to go to the touch and go place and hotel. Let's make 21000-21500 €.
Intercockpit 737 Classic only is about 16450 € + about 6000 € for base check. You save 15 days hotel cause the CBT is performed at your home (they send laptop with that). You train with Lufthansa standard in a single place (same place for Sim and base check, in Berlin) and after you have at least the Job Engine to be helped to find a job. (I don't know if it is good or not).
Sabena, until 15 September, offer the 737 Classic at 23000 € all included and SN Bruxelles flight tickets discount to get to them. High standard and, they say that, about 60 airlines in connection to help you find a job.
Between them there is not a large difference in prices, but you have to evaluate the job hunting after the TR, and last but not least, the quality of training.
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5000 the Base check. So It will be about 20500 € to complete. Plus some cost for european movement to go to the touch and go place and hotel. Let's make 21000-21500 €.
Intercockpit 737 Classic only is about 16450 € + about 6000 € for base check. You save 15 days hotel cause the CBT is performed at your home (they send laptop with that). You train with Lufthansa standard in a single place (same place for Sim and base check, in Berlin) and after you have at least the Job Engine to be helped to find a job. (I don't know if it is good or not).
Sabena, until 15 September, offer the 737 Classic at 23000 € all included and SN Bruxelles flight tickets discount to get to them. High standard and, they say that, about 60 airlines in connection to help you find a job.
Between them there is not a large difference in prices, but you have to evaluate the job hunting after the TR, and last but not least, the quality of training.
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Davide, Why do you say ”only”
Intercockpit: 16450€+6000€ = 22450€ +hotel (50*30 days) 1500€?, and travel 100€?. Total: 24 050€
Randhem: 14400€+5000€= 19400€ +tickets to the states 600€, tickets to base check 100€ (Hotel included at base check). Total: 20 100€
You pay them 3000€ extra. I really do hope they will give you a job.
To quote BAP "most of the time they are just telling you stories in order to make sure that you enrol on there course... "
All of them uses CBT.
The quality of training and the amount of simulator hours are very important:
Intercockpit, 52 hours,
Sabena, 47 hours.
Randhem, 55 hours.
Are you sure you can mange without those extra hours?
What do Interkockpit and Sabena charge you per extra session? 1500€?
Intercockpit: 16450€+6000€ = 22450€ +hotel (50*30 days) 1500€?, and travel 100€?. Total: 24 050€
Randhem: 14400€+5000€= 19400€ +tickets to the states 600€, tickets to base check 100€ (Hotel included at base check). Total: 20 100€
You pay them 3000€ extra. I really do hope they will give you a job.
To quote BAP "most of the time they are just telling you stories in order to make sure that you enrol on there course... "
All of them uses CBT.
The quality of training and the amount of simulator hours are very important:
Intercockpit, 52 hours,
Sabena, 47 hours.
Randhem, 55 hours.
Are you sure you can mange without those extra hours?
What do Interkockpit and Sabena charge you per extra session? 1500€?
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Originally Posted by Norrington
You pay them 3000€ extra. I really do hope they will give you a job.
But do you honestly think you can buy a job?
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The CPL is obviously generic though and allows you to work in any area of the industry.
With the TR you are planning to do, there is a more limited market.
Do you know which training provider the company(ies) you hope to work for use, as does it not help to attend the same course with sop's biased towards the company of choice?Unless you are planning to pay for your line training as well??
With the TR you are planning to do, there is a more limited market.
Do you know which training provider the company(ies) you hope to work for use, as does it not help to attend the same course with sop's biased towards the company of choice?Unless you are planning to pay for your line training as well??
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Yes I agree that a CPL course limits you to aviation, but not so limited as a specific aircraft type.
Are they the only one of the companies discussed who are flexible enough to cater for airline specific sop's? And are they used by your target airline?
Are they the only one of the companies discussed who are flexible enough to cater for airline specific sop's? And are they used by your target airline?
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To be honest I don't know, I haven’t asked them.
The topic of this debate was what you get extra when you buy a more expensive B737 type rating.
Do you really get a job more easily?
The topic of this debate was what you get extra when you buy a more expensive B737 type rating.
Do you really get a job more easily?
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Is it possible that we could keep peoples personal opinions as to the wisdom or otherwise of Buying a TR and create a useful constructive thread about TR providers.
We have had a good thread about MCC courses with a nice summary at the top, so perhaps this could evolve into one about Type Ratings.
There are enough other threads about bitching about the whole SSTR thing, perhaps just this one could contain some useful information?
We have had a good thread about MCC courses with a nice summary at the top, so perhaps this could evolve into one about Type Ratings.
There are enough other threads about bitching about the whole SSTR thing, perhaps just this one could contain some useful information?
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Alex L,
We can start by making a list of all the type rating providers.
And then compare them
Avia training www.aviatraining.no
Bond Aviation www.bondaviationsolutions.com
CEA www.cae.com/aviationtraining
Dan Fly Aviation www.danfly-aviation.com
GECAT www.gecat.com
Intercockpit www.intercockpit.de
Randhem Aviation www.randhem.com
Sabena www.sfa.be
Put in those I have missed.
We can start by making a list of all the type rating providers.
And then compare them
Avia training www.aviatraining.no
Bond Aviation www.bondaviationsolutions.com
CEA www.cae.com/aviationtraining
Dan Fly Aviation www.danfly-aviation.com
GECAT www.gecat.com
Intercockpit www.intercockpit.de
Randhem Aviation www.randhem.com
Sabena www.sfa.be
Put in those I have missed.
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Parc Aviation - http://www.parcaviation.aero/
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HAs anyone done a TR wit FSB as they only offer 32 hrs of simtime on their 737 course ??
thinking of doing it with them - but am afraid that 32 hrs sim is not enough - extra hrs are £400 pr hr
Jannik
thinking of doing it with them - but am afraid that 32 hrs sim is not enough - extra hrs are £400 pr hr
Jannik