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Old 23rd May 2006, 16:17
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Hi Raydon1206,
Here's my 2 cent's!
Your son is 25 years of age,dont you think he's a bit old to be asking ''Daddy'' for a birthday present?
Im guessing from the sound of things, he's still living at home with the parent's!

How about telling him to get a job,save up,and pay for the course himself!!!
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Nosher:

Is that kind of comment really necessary the thread was about ATPL manuals and as far as I can see has nothing to do with funding, living arrangements or anything else.

Besides aviation training is on the same par if not more than setting up a business and you'd certainly seek funding for that from various sources including banks. They would also charge you interest during the early phases of your business. Yet most experts also mention that family funding is an excellent source because of the flexibility and willingness (mostly) of family to help. Therefore maybe the Doctor's son is doing the right thing and then later on in life can repay his father with more than just money.

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Old 23rd May 2006, 17:51
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Dear Nocher

Every country and people has its own culture. I know that in U.S. and U.K. and mostly northern Europe the most common thing is that kids after school take from parents their first money and leave home to go for studies work and make their own way in lie. I will not judge if this is good or bad. Its just a difference.

In Greece and Southern Italy as I know its a common thing that kids until they get married live in their parents home and move just if they want to and not obligatory.

Just an example I would say that my son when he was doing the obligatroy military service, he was 21 months in Special Forces and he was bringing to my wife (his mother) the dirty of mud and sand uniforms for laundry when he was with a day off!!!

Also it is a common thing that parents support financialy their sons and daughters in their studies and if there is ability until their first job.

I am 55 years old and my parents did the same for me and I didnt return them a penny and same I will, support my son, pay him the 100% of his studies and will ask for nothing in future. And if I didnt have the financial ability I would get a loan to support him. Also my parents still buy me a birthday present and I dont see any reason why not to do the same for my son and daughter.

Furthermore families here are very connected and I support my parents who are now 85 y/o. Its like a chain.

The only bad I see in this is that family members interfear into each other and in many times there are misunderstandings and conflicts between family members but thats life.

So Nocher I dont see any bad attitute from my son. Its a matter of the Greek way of life!

Dear Dfspilot
thank you very much for your information about OXFORD.

Anyway. Does anybody know anything now about Jeppesen manuals?

Best regards to all !

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Old 23rd May 2006, 18:06
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You ask which manuals to buy "in order not to just throw 600pound". As an ATPL grounschool instructor, I would suggest that whichever set you choose you will be doing exactly that - throwing away money. The BGS manuals are excellent and will be more than adequate to see your son through his exams.

If you really must buy him such a present, I suggest that you look beyond the training school manuals and toward the textbooks that many use as references. The "Ground Studies for Pilots" series by Blackwell Publishing would be a good start. The UK CAA publish a document called LASORS (available on-line at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_06_WEB.pdf) which inclides somewhere among its many pages a list of recommended reading.

That said, I would second earlier posts - buy him a CRP-5 and a good holiday!
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Originally Posted by rayden1206
Dear Nocher

Every country and people has its own culture. I know that in U.S. and U.K. and mostly northern Europe the most common thing is that kids after school take from parents their first money and leave home to go for studies work and make their own way in lie. I will not judge if this is good or bad. Its just a difference.

In Greece and Southern Italy as I know its a common thing that kids until they get married live in their parents home and move just if they want to and not obligatory.

True, in Turkey we have that kind of understanding too. We are very very close.

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Old 23rd May 2006, 18:15
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Dr. Ray,

I have done my groundschool with Atlantic Flight Training in Coventry, and was issued with the full set of Jeppesen books. There has been much talk about the fact that there are in some cases 4000 less pages in the Jeppesen manuals and that because of this, they are not as good.

From personal experience I would totally disagree, as they have covered every area in full detail and have led me to pass my exams no problem. I too looked at the Oxford books and while I agree that they are better for Q&A's and other resources, they can go into too much detail sometimes and end up confusing the whole subject.

However, from a different perspective, the Jeppesen books such as IFR & VFR Communications aren't really that informative and CAP413 issued by the CAA is really adequate enough to pass the exam.

I do also agree with others in the fact that if your son is enrolling on a full time or distance learning course he should be getting training materials and books included. It is also worth a note that the books alone aren't really all you need to pass the exams, good tuition and assessments or progress tests are equally as important.

It is a lot of money to spend so I can understand you want to do so wisely, and while I thoroughly reccommend the Jeppesen books I would advise you to wait for the second editions which I believe are due out soon.

I think the Jeppesen manuals prove that quality, not quantity, is the key for a success in the JAA exams, but everyone is different and some prefer to learn what they need to where as others like a broader understanding. Both however, follow the same LO's (learning objectives). Personal choice.

Kind Regards,

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Old 23rd May 2006, 19:11
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what a sad day it is when someone asks for advice and you get an immature comment like that displayed by " nosher ". hope i never meet him in the skies."""""""""
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I think we've established that buying the manuals is probably not the best option. The CRP-5 is an excellent suggestion. As for the holiday, well it was a bit of a throwaway line, but if he could combine a holiday with visiting the school(s) you are looking at, would that not be a worthwhile present?

I think that what you are doing for your son is a wonderful thing; I wish that I could afford one day to do a similar thing for mine - though I suspect I won't! For those of you who resent this kind of parental help, get over it. It has always and will always exist for those who can afford it. I imagine that one of the reasons many of you are trying to get into aviation is so that you can achieve a comfortable living standard. If you're in it long enough, and you have some luck with employers, you also may one day be in a position to fund your children's career training - there are many wannabes here who have had parental help, and they are no more or less welcome than anyone else.

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So from what I understand Oxford ooks are more academically presented with every detail etc.Studying Oxford alone without tuition may be quite difficult. Its more like an encyclopedia where you can also go back and check every matter in every detail

From the other side from what I see Jeppesen is more like quality learning in order to have a success in exams and learn the most useful things of the thing called flight and airplane but yet not academically presented like Oxford

Finally I decided not to buy anything as it seems to too much money for no use.

Whats a CRP-5??? Dont bother to reply I made a search in Google and found out.

Finally i would like to state a certain thing. I am convinced will not buy anything as the intergated training that my son will start (INTERCOCKPIT) includes everything.

Concerning books I was just asking, just to have an idea of how can it be and there is so big difference between the each manual series. As I mentioned before I am a lawyer and the studies in every university are more or less the same amount. So I just asked in order to get an understanding of the whole concept. I couldnt understand in learning theory of flying how there is so big difference (4000 pages). Now my question is solved. (not 100% but ok)

Anyway thank you all for your replies

Best regards

Dr. Ray

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Old 23rd May 2006, 20:18
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- Pooley's CRP-5 Flight Computer
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This interactive tutor created by Oxford Aviation Training includes all the features and functions of the Pooleys CRP-5 flight computer itself, and is ideal for both student and qualified pilots wishing to learn how to use the CRP-5 for the first time, or to refresh existing skills.
see oxford aviation traing website and go to media shop





CRP-5 Flight Computer

The CRP-5 has all the features of the CRP-1, but is designed specifically for UK commercial pilots, and students. Larger slide plotting disc and circular rule give the finest accuracy. Commercial features include compressibility scales and higher wind speeds - as necessary for CAA commercial exams. Comes complete with vinyl case and easy to understand instructions.
go to transair pilot supplies and is under flight computers.
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply!

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Furthermore

I discussed the whole matter and your opinions with my son and we came into a decision that its no need of buying so expensive books.

The only reason my son asked me of the books is in order to prepare the certain vocabulary of aviation.

Does now anybody have any idea of a book with the certain vocabulary,or a preparation book concerning this matter.

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If I was in the position of your son, I would be interested in the Oxford Met CD and also the CRP 5 CD, if also if the english is a bit rusty also purchase the VFR and IFR communications CD's. Try one of the many pilots shops, ie pooleys.com or afeonline.com or transair.co.uk to name just a couple.

Also how about a interview books such as one of these:

Airline Pilot Interviews - Jasinski
This book concentrates on showing you how to prepare an impressive pilot employment package, and how to portray yourself in the most effective, professional manner during an interview.

Price: £26.50| £26.50 including VAT (Exempt)



Handbook of Pilot Selection - Hunter & Burke
This book describes the methods surrounding pilot selection, techniques largely applicable to any personnel.

Price: £65.00| £65.00 including VAT (Exempt)



Job Hunting for Pilots - Brown
This book has been written as a guide for Pilots trying to get a flying job.

Price: £14.95| £14.95 including VAT (Exempt)


or these will come in handy especially the multi engine book ...

Instrument Flight Procedures - Gjerlev
(Including RNAV and FMS operations) 57% of all accidents happen during descnet, approach, and landing, often as Controlled-Flight-into-Terrain (CFIT).

Price: £24.00| £24.00 including VAT (Exempt)



Multi-Engine Piston - Robson
This manual has been prepared for those pilots embarking on their first type endorsement on a Multi-Engined aircraft.

Price: £20.00| £20.00 including VAT (Exempt)



These books, are also good reference for any pilot:

Aerodynamics, Engines and Systems
This volume refreshes and expands the professional pilot’s knowledge of: • high-speed and heavy-jet aerodynamics; • gas turbine engines and their operation (both turbo-fans and turbo-props); • associated fuel control systems; • propellers; and • flight controls and other systems that make up the very complex but fascinating package that is the modern jet transport aeroplane.

Price: £25.00| £25.00 including VAT (Exempt)

Avionics and Flight Management Systems
This volume introduces the modern flight deck systems where the pilot’s primary role is one of systems management rather than manipulation of the flight controls.

Price: £25.00| £25.00 including VAT (Exempt)

Human Performance & Limitations
The most important information needed to perform the multi-functional tasks required by a modern jet is knowledge about the performance and limitations of its human crew.

Price: £25.00| £25.00 including VAT (Exempt)

Meteorology For Pilots Code: 8773E

Meteorology For Pilots - K. M. Wickson.
Giving a detailed weather prediction is a difficult task, and so is understanding the meteorological factors and their reactions. This is a comprehensive manual for all aeronautical students.
Transair Price £25.00

THIS BOOK ABOVE IS REALLY GOOD!


Some of the Microsoft flight simulator add ons are also a good thing to get:


A320 Pilot in Command Code: 3793D

Highly detailed airliner "A320 Pilot in Command". This is a complete airliner simulation using a 3D Active Panel, which gives you full room to move and a new dimension of realism in MS Flight Simulator!
Transair Price £24.99


Boeing 737 NG 600/700 Code: 3792D

Add on for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 & 2004. The B 737 NG is a highly realistic reproduction of Boeing`s New Generation Glass Cockpit Aircraft series.
Transair Price £24.99



I just touched the edge , there are many good books, and many good software packages that will help your son, and give him some good reference material for use his future career.
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Some quality books to support the ground school notes perhaps.

Particularly as he is doing a BSc, some books would be very accessable and useful to him that your average trainee wouldn't have a hope with.

Handling the Big Jets.
Ed Pallets book on Automatic Flight Systems (I forget the exact title but I'm sure someone else will remember it. If not I'll look it up later, in the mean time I have to get out to work!)

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I second the vote for the Oxford Met CD. I used Bristol GS, and also used this CD which did help a lot.
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Slighty off-track but I just wanted to say .....

What Dr. Rayden illustrated is more common than you realise around the world. Just because something doesn't happen or occur in North-West Europe doesn't mean you can somehow look down on it. Many people are enraged when Americans demonstrate their lack of knowledge of other cultures but it's a reminder that certain Europeans are subject to that too.

As aspirant pilots that kind of shortsightedness is unbecoming and clearly demonstrates how simple academic studies doesn't always turn a person into a pilot. Numerous cultures around the world are 'integrated' into their community and what's wrong with that? Anyway better drop this line now as it's too removed from the original thread.
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Links to ATPL notes.

I had ones a link to a very good free site which had JAR ATPL notes (not question banks) but I have lost the link.

Please post any good and free sites with atpl notes.

Its good to have prior an interview to brush up your ATPL knowledge.
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Here's an australian one:

http://www.aviationshop.com.au/avfacts/editorial.htm

and another

www.wiljam.com

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thanks alot
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Pre ATPL groundschool reading

Hi
I'm just about to start full time groundschool for the ATPL exams (in a months time) and wondered if anyone has any advice as to any background reading/ preperation that will help when I start. Basically I have a month in which to prepare for the start so any suggestions would be helpful!

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