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I agree with littco, use the Bristol feedback!!!
Rather than learn it, whivh i think will probably get you through the JAA's it's a lot better to understand how they got the answer, then if your mind goes blank or the wording of the question is changed - the JAA are notorious for this, then you're prepared!!
Best of luck,
JetSetJ
Rather than learn it, whivh i think will probably get you through the JAA's it's a lot better to understand how they got the answer, then if your mind goes blank or the wording of the question is changed - the JAA are notorious for this, then you're prepared!!
Best of luck,
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Don't just do the feedback. When you get to the IR, you will look a real dummy when the examiner asks you about the airspace you are taking him into and you say "B isn't it."
You need to be flexable and learning answers won't give you that.
One thing that amazed me in the exam halls was those people who were out of a 2 hr exam in 15 mins. I couldn't read the paper in that time, never mind answer the questions and check it. They will make great pilots...not. It's the same as paying for a TR. Why does everyone have to have it the easy way and tomorrow. It just screws everyone else. Same as the exams....once the questions are leaked, they just get more abstract as the CAA get everyone back.
Just get on with the job and work.
You need to be flexable and learning answers won't give you that.
One thing that amazed me in the exam halls was those people who were out of a 2 hr exam in 15 mins. I couldn't read the paper in that time, never mind answer the questions and check it. They will make great pilots...not. It's the same as paying for a TR. Why does everyone have to have it the easy way and tomorrow. It just screws everyone else. Same as the exams....once the questions are leaked, they just get more abstract as the CAA get everyone back.
Just get on with the job and work.
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Don't just do the feedback. When you get to the IR, you will look a real dummy when the examiner asks you about the airspace you are taking him into and you say "B isn't it."
You need to be flexable and learning answers won't give you that.
One thing that amazed me in the exam halls was those people who were out of a 2 hr exam in 15 mins. I couldn't read the paper in that time, never mind answer the questions and check it. They will make great pilots...not. It's the same as paying for a TR. Why does everyone have to have it the easy way and tomorrow. It just screws everyone else. Same as the exams....once the questions are leaked, they just get more abstract as the CAA get everyone back.
Just get on with the job and work.
You need to be flexable and learning answers won't give you that.
One thing that amazed me in the exam halls was those people who were out of a 2 hr exam in 15 mins. I couldn't read the paper in that time, never mind answer the questions and check it. They will make great pilots...not. It's the same as paying for a TR. Why does everyone have to have it the easy way and tomorrow. It just screws everyone else. Same as the exams....once the questions are leaked, they just get more abstract as the CAA get everyone back.
Just get on with the job and work.
Curious about your comments about "people paying for a TR". Whats wrong with that? are self-bought TR's inferior to those provided by an employer?
I have no qualms about paying for a TR. I saved up hard whilst working in jobs I dont enjoy for too many years to have a hang-up about paying for a TR.
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I agree with littco, use the Bristol feedback!!!
Rather than learn it, whivh i think will probably get you through the JAA's it's a lot better to understand how they got the answer, then if your mind goes blank or the wording of the question is changed - the JAA are notorious for this, then you're prepared!!
Best of luck,
JetSetJ
Rather than learn it, whivh i think will probably get you through the JAA's it's a lot better to understand how they got the answer, then if your mind goes blank or the wording of the question is changed - the JAA are notorious for this, then you're prepared!!
Best of luck,
JetSetJ
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I'm also running on the assumption the authorities expect you to know this stuff for good reason.
I did professional accountancy exams and we had to learn section numbers of The Companies Act 1985. Never needed to know them again. Know what's IN the section but the number is irrelevant. If you do need to know, you look it up and I would envisage that any circumstance in which you do need to know in reality would be of such importance that you wouldn't want to risk it!
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The JAA ATPL syllabus is long and futile in many aspects. Just some examples are: The level of detail on A/C generators, certain (gyroscopic) instruments and many many more. Stuff more suited to people who design and build the damn things than us mere mortal pilots who are going to be pressing simple on/off/reset switches. No one on Earth can be expected to learn all that and retain it for life. This is the way the syllabus was written way back.
I don't believe for one minute you can pass the exams with a 75% grade just by reading the Oxford, Bristol or Jeppessen Course Notes/Books. It's fair to say that feedback questions push the average candidate's grade up by between 20-40%. On the other hand don't think following the above strategy alone is going to help you. Granted you'll pass the exams but it wont bring that peace of mind in preparation for your first interview. To me personally, there's no real telling of the candidates level of knowledge if he/she has a 85% grade or a 95% grade. Some just have the capacity to remember extremely well short term
- Big deal.
I don't believe for one minute you can pass the exams with a 75% grade just by reading the Oxford, Bristol or Jeppessen Course Notes/Books. It's fair to say that feedback questions push the average candidate's grade up by between 20-40%. On the other hand don't think following the above strategy alone is going to help you. Granted you'll pass the exams but it wont bring that peace of mind in preparation for your first interview. To me personally, there's no real telling of the candidates level of knowledge if he/she has a 85% grade or a 95% grade. Some just have the capacity to remember extremely well short term
- Big deal.
Superpilot,
Not that many years ago there were no feedback questions. JAR was new and no-one had any idea what was going to be in the exams. Guess what? You actually had to know and understand the syllabus to pass the exams. Failure rates were, almost certainly, higher than now but you're wrong to assert that
With a huge amount of help and guidance from Alex and the team at Bristol I passed them all first time so it is possible but not neccessarily easy.
Not that many years ago there were no feedback questions. JAR was new and no-one had any idea what was going to be in the exams. Guess what? You actually had to know and understand the syllabus to pass the exams. Failure rates were, almost certainly, higher than now but you're wrong to assert that
I don't believe for one minute you can pass the exams with a 75% grade just by reading the Oxford, Bristol or Jeppessen Course Notes/Books.
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Actually, I've found myself reading HPL ahead of time - just out of interest. I liked the section on STD's with some typically British advice...
"How STD's are contracted is self-evident. As is to how to avoid them".
"How STD's are contracted is self-evident. As is to how to avoid them".
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Hi there Bandit
Not to worry it's not a silly question, i also haven't studied at BGS. I have heard they offer a superb high calibre training as do Oxford, whom i study with.
When i say the Bristol feedback i mean the online database. It costs £50 for 3 months access. As has been said in earlier replies use the feedback to highlight and brush up on your weaker areas. Learn it at your peril!! I cannot emphasise how important it is to understand the method and how to work out the correct answer, of course it's nice to go into the exam and be presented with questions you've seen previously. Conversley this happened to me in my gen nav exam, virtually all the questions were word for word from the Bristol, but it really isn't worth taking the risk expecting the exam to be so!! Know your stuff and using the on line database will give you an idea of the areas the JAA tend to focus their questions.
In an earlier post you mentioned you purchased feedback from e-bay, i strongly suspect this is the Volare feedback!! I would advise you to use it very carefully as there are quite a few errors in their quoted answers!!!
My advice is stay safe and use Bristol's online database!!
Hope this helps and the very best with your training
JetSetJ
Not to worry it's not a silly question, i also haven't studied at BGS. I have heard they offer a superb high calibre training as do Oxford, whom i study with.
When i say the Bristol feedback i mean the online database. It costs £50 for 3 months access. As has been said in earlier replies use the feedback to highlight and brush up on your weaker areas. Learn it at your peril!! I cannot emphasise how important it is to understand the method and how to work out the correct answer, of course it's nice to go into the exam and be presented with questions you've seen previously. Conversley this happened to me in my gen nav exam, virtually all the questions were word for word from the Bristol, but it really isn't worth taking the risk expecting the exam to be so!! Know your stuff and using the on line database will give you an idea of the areas the JAA tend to focus their questions.
In an earlier post you mentioned you purchased feedback from e-bay, i strongly suspect this is the Volare feedback!! I would advise you to use it very carefully as there are quite a few errors in their quoted answers!!!
My advice is stay safe and use Bristol's online database!!
Hope this helps and the very best with your training
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Hi
I was doing the same thing with my ppls , using the ppl confuser I went throw the book and wrote the question on the front and the answer on the back of cards. So before each exam I made shore that I got 100% right on each subject. And only then I went for the exam, and I passed with 85%.
This is a good way to learn if you are happy with 80%, but if you would like 90% or so you need to know the books inside and out. On human performance I did not even pick up the Trevor tom. I know that this was not the right way to learn but it does work.
I think that it is a good backup plan but you need to read the books, and learn the info.
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I was doing the same thing with my ppls , using the ppl confuser I went throw the book and wrote the question on the front and the answer on the back of cards. So before each exam I made shore that I got 100% right on each subject. And only then I went for the exam, and I passed with 85%.
This is a good way to learn if you are happy with 80%, but if you would like 90% or so you need to know the books inside and out. On human performance I did not even pick up the Trevor tom.
I know that this was not the right way to learn but it does work. I think that it is a good backup plan but you need to read the books, and learn the info.
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There is definately a place for the confuser as the Trevor Thom books do tend to skip over certain aspects, and you can 'hoover' these bits up from the practice questions and the explanations in the confuser.
I have been using both, and it works for me
. I do feel it is important to have a good grasp of the subject, the practice questions then come alot easier and you feel you KNOW the subject rather than the just the questions. Same applies for ATPL I suppose... I hopefully will find out! 
I have been using both, and it works for me
. I do feel it is important to have a good grasp of the subject, the practice questions then come alot easier and you feel you KNOW the subject rather than the just the questions. Same applies for ATPL I suppose... I hopefully will find out!
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Hi there Bandit
Not to worry it's not a silly question, i also haven't studied at BGS. I have heard they offer a superb high calibre training as do Oxford, whom i study with.
When i say the Bristol feedback i mean the online database. It costs £50 for 3 months access. As has been said in earlier replies use the feedback to highlight and brush up on your weaker areas. Learn it at your peril!! I cannot emphasise how important it is to understand the method and how to work out the correct answer, of course it's nice to go into the exam and be presented with questions you've seen previously. Conversley this happened to me in my gen nav exam, virtually all the questions were word for word from the Bristol, but it really isn't worth taking the risk expecting the exam to be so!! Know your stuff and using the on line database will give you an idea of the areas the JAA tend to focus their questions.
In an earlier post you mentioned you purchased feedback from e-bay, i strongly suspect this is the Volare feedback!! I would advise you to use it very carefully as there are quite a few errors in their quoted answers!!!
My advice is stay safe and use Bristol's online database!!
Hope this helps and the very best with your training
JetSetJ
Not to worry it's not a silly question, i also haven't studied at BGS. I have heard they offer a superb high calibre training as do Oxford, whom i study with.
When i say the Bristol feedback i mean the online database. It costs £50 for 3 months access. As has been said in earlier replies use the feedback to highlight and brush up on your weaker areas. Learn it at your peril!! I cannot emphasise how important it is to understand the method and how to work out the correct answer, of course it's nice to go into the exam and be presented with questions you've seen previously. Conversley this happened to me in my gen nav exam, virtually all the questions were word for word from the Bristol, but it really isn't worth taking the risk expecting the exam to be so!! Know your stuff and using the on line database will give you an idea of the areas the JAA tend to focus their questions.
In an earlier post you mentioned you purchased feedback from e-bay, i strongly suspect this is the Volare feedback!! I would advise you to use it very carefully as there are quite a few errors in their quoted answers!!!
My advice is stay safe and use Bristol's online database!!
Hope this helps and the very best with your training
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CATS online ATPL/CPL study guides
Has anyone got any experience with doing a course using CATS online study guides?
Thinking about doing my CPL theory over the web...
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Thinking about doing my CPL theory over the web...
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Signed up yesterday for the online ATPL course with them. Everything is good so far. Its a lot cheaper than anywhere else i have found and the books would probably just gather dust, but can be purchased as and when needed if working online isnt your thing.
I was advised to sign up for the ATPL for the same price as the CPL and decide before the first exams which route to go.
Any more info feel free to PM me.
I was advised to sign up for the ATPL for the same price as the CPL and decide before the first exams which route to go.
Any more info feel free to PM me.
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I'm due to start London Met in March and would appreciate help on what l need to purchase for the course, books etc??. 
ANYONE ELSE STARTING SAME TIME??
Any info much appreicated.
Many Thanks
Dan
ANYONE ELSE STARTING SAME TIME??Any info much appreicated.
Many Thanks
Dan
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Firstly, the very best of luck to you. I'm nearly through my 14 exams on a part-time, distance learning basis, and let me tell you - you're in for a hell of a time!!
Off the top of my head, you'll need...
Course manuals (being supplied by the school I presume and hope!)
Jeppesen student manual
Basic scientific calculator (check will your school as to the things it can't have)
CRP-5 (your basic whizz wheel you used for PPL isn't exact enough)
Chart plotting gear (ruler, dividers, protractor (sp) - that kind of thing)
CAP manuals (now available for download from the CAA website)
Red Bull -lots and lots and lots of it.
Notepaper - see Red Bull
I'm sure there is more, but its late and after a session today on Op. Procedures, my brain hurts. In fact, add paracetemol to the list....
Regards,
Blueskyrich
Off the top of my head, you'll need...
Course manuals (being supplied by the school I presume and hope!)
Jeppesen student manual
Basic scientific calculator (check will your school as to the things it can't have)
CRP-5 (your basic whizz wheel you used for PPL isn't exact enough)
Chart plotting gear (ruler, dividers, protractor (sp) - that kind of thing)
CAP manuals (now available for download from the CAA website)
Red Bull -lots and lots and lots of it.
Notepaper - see Red Bull
I'm sure there is more, but its late and after a session today on Op. Procedures, my brain hurts. In fact, add paracetemol to the list....
Regards,
Blueskyrich