ATPL Ground study material: books, DVDs, computer programs etc.

[Farrell]

My advice to you is to enjoy the time off that you have now.
There are risks involved with "pre-study"

If you are the only one who has done it in the group - you will first be looked upon as cool, but after about an hour of always having your hand up, you will quickly go from cool to tosser!

Work with the group and help each other out. You'll enjoy the bonding and the exam nerves.

Some of the goodytwoshoes will disagree with me I'm sure!

[Gordon Bennet]

JAR Professional Pilot Studies by Phil Croucher has the whole syllabus in one book.

Gord

[EIDW RJ85]

Yeah i will enjoy it but im working right up to the time i go!!! At least ill have xmas at home!!
Never looked at it in that way? But alas there will be some people there better than others anyhow? Some will have gone and got college degrees and be used to absorbing large amounts of info? Others will not!! (ME!)
Gorden ... thanks for the book tip. I will look into it

Originally Posted by Farrell

My advice to you is to enjoy the time off that you have now.
There are risks involved with "pre-study"
If you are the only one who has done it in the group - you will first be looked upon as cool, but after about an hour of always having your hand up, you will quickly go from cool to tosser!
Work with the group and help each other out. You'll enjoy the bonding and the exam nerves.
Some of the goodytwoshoes will disagree with me I'm sure!

[Rob's Dad]

Farrell is kind of correct suggesting you enjoy your time off, but not entirely correct as everyone has their own way of learning. For myself, having been out of education for some years before I started ATPL studies and not being the world's best at either physics or maths then I would have benefitted from completing one of the pre-Maths and Physics packages available. I didn't and it took quite a while to get 'into the groove'. Having learnt that lesson, I am preparing to go the US for CPL/IR training by doing the FAA exams here and swotting up on RANT etc. Prior preparation prevents p!$$ poor performance in my book, and poor performance = cost. Does this make me a "goody two shoes"?. Frankly I don't care what other students think about my approach to learning - what matters to me is having more chance of passing the courses because I had the foresight to build in some 'spare capacity'.

[Gordon Bennet]

Do you want to pass the exams or worry about what other people think of you? The subject matter is about A level standard but there is a lot of it - the more you can get in, the better! A friend of mine went through Naples and said they sell it there, which is how I got it, but it's in Transair.

Personally I learn better outside the classroom, but each to his own.

Good luck!

Gord

[AlphaMale]

I am in the same boat. I purchased 'JAR Professional Pilot Studies' by Phill Croucher and have read quite a bit.

I am hoping to go to EFT in Jan/Feb 2008 so I figure if I can revise as much as possible now (over the next 14 months) it'll take some amount of pressure off me so I concentrate on my flying when I get to the states.

I studied A' level maths and about 6 months of A' level Physics and have a passion for engines etc, To say the truth I am quite enjoying the revision process.

I think making the best of your time is wise, I don't think I'll be putting my hand up all the time in class for the reasons above. But it's always nice understanding and enjoying what the groundschool is all about.

Best of luck guys.

Andrew
(Still saving the pennies)

[EIDW RJ85]

Just what i was thinking really. Im there to pass 14 exams .. not to make friends!! Thats the reason im travelling abroad so i have minimal distractions (work, mates etc). Just purchased the book there from pilotstore online so i should have it shortly.

Thanks for the advice guys .. keep it coming!!

Originally Posted by Gordon Bennet

Do you want to pass the exams or worry about what other people think of you? The subject matter is about A level standard but there is a lot of it - the more you can get in, the better! A friend of mine went through Naples and said they sell it there, which is how I got it, but it's in Transair.
Personally I learn better outside the classroom, but each to his own.
Good luck!
Gord

[the_aviator]

I found myself in the same situation as you are now before I started studying for my ATPL’s back in May of this year. I felt that I could use the time I had to get ahead but the flight school that I had chosen would not release the books in advance. I am so glad they didn't because I am nearly at the end of Ground School now and would probably have found myself totally burnt out! 6 months is plenty of time to learn the subjects and if your basic Math’s and Physics are up to GCSE level then I can't see what you need to do. Maybe instead you could get yourself some good aviation books and magazines to keep up to speed with current aviation events.

Best of luck with the course mate!

[EIDW RJ85]

Thanks Aviator,

I currently work in aviation in an operational capacity so Im pretty up to date on that side of things. Well im gonna get my hands on that book ... it cant do me any harm?

[badboy raggamuffin]

Id use the time to prepare urself for the harder subjects, as some of them contain concepts that take time to get your head round. Getting your head round such concepts at an early stage will make your life a hell of a lot easier in Naples.
Have done nearlly all the ATPL subjects myself, and reckon it would be a good idea to pre study:
Principles of Flight, General navigation and Performance, as these subjects are more about understanding concepts rather than learning. Once you have understood them once, most of the hard work is done and the concepts will be ingrained in you brain for the future course.
It would be less useful I think to pre study things like Air Law and Operational Proceedures, as these subjects are based on pure learning of facts, which you will forget in five minutes and have to relearn fresh when you start the course.

Whilst the Aviator says that 6 mths is plenty of time to learn the subjects from fresh, I have felt very pushed for time during my ground school course. Anything that you can learn now and stamp onto your brain will make your life a lot easier later on.

Just my opinion, hope it helps.

Badboy.

[potkettleblack]

There has been a lot of stuff posted over the years on pre course study so do a search. I think you will probably find some info on the various websites from the schools that offer ground school as well that should point you in the right direction. Manipulation of algebraic formulae to a reasonable standard (nothing to hard), having a fair idea of how the CRP5 works and a bit of basic physics should put you in good stead. Failing that read over your Trevor Thoms. There is a surprising amount of PPL level stuff that crops up in the ATPL's that you generally skipped over without completely understanding.

[CAT3C AUTOLAND]

I am not sure what Farrell is on about, but there are no risks with pre-study.

I would suggest that you are up to speed with all your PPL material. The ATPL study is an extension of your knowledge to a higher level, which is not A-Level standard, more GSCE.

Enjoy it. All the best.

[Farrell]

Farrell is not on about anything really.
Was just my tuppence worth.

[paco]

EIDW - I'm the author of the above-mentioned book - it is good for dispatchers as well. I'm not sure if the version with the blue cover has got through to pilotwarehouse yet - PM me if you get an orange one. That's the one BALPA liked, but the blue one is more up to date.

Phil

PS - anything in italics has something to do with exam questions

[Serg7771]

"AVIATOR" Software.

Hi! Did somebody know more about this software from the www.aviator24.com?

[Benjamin77]

That sounds promising:With many questions (approx. 800) in learning ads, such as MASS & BALANCE, PERFORMANCE, METEOROLOGY, GENERAL NAVIGATION, OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES and PRINCIPLES OF FLIGHT, the solution methods are explained in detail and learned easily

[A330PILO]

hi all

i just orderd the cd , and spoke to the company, the cd look very promissing with over 7000 to 8000 q's if you order multi cd.

anyway i am looking for actual vedio lucture for atpl i ,they were made by previos ground school ppsc which closed down , does any body knows where we can find these cds or vedio for atpl subject.
thnks

[A330PILO]

Atpl Dvd Or Video

hi all

i am looking to purchase video tapes or dvd for atpl ground school luctures.

i got info that ppsc school used to produce them and sell them in the market , any where i can purchase those tapes so i it can help me study for distance learning ground school.

thanks

[Bandit650]

ATPL Study Strategy

Bought a set of ATPL exam questions off eBay to supplement those provided by OAT...and found a text file on the disk explaining a strategy of working out which specific topic areas came up in every exam and simply learning those in depth. Using this technique the guy achieved at least 93% in all exams - apparently.

Curious to hear any views on this. Sounds too good to be true of course, but perhaps there is some mileage in studying different areas to varying depths???

[littco]

Just learn the whole lot in depth then you take the chance out of it!

From personal experience, I used the Bristol QB and got 90% average.. no secret to it other than learn the material and revise the question database..