Wannabe a pilot! (And I'm too damn lazy to do a search)
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Malta
Age: 40
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the best way for a JAA ATPL
I have always wanted to start a career as an airline pilot, but nowadays it is too expensive since hardly any sponsorships are on offer. So now I am thinking of self funding my license, this would mean taking a loan.
Can anyone give me the best option on how to obtain my JAA ATPL. I currently work with Servisair in Malta in the Ops department specialising in W & B and I.T. I lately have been thinking of obtaining an ICAO ATPL from JAT academy in Serbia since its relatively less expensive. Then I would make a conversion.
Can anyone give any suggestions please?
Thanks and all the best
Can anyone give me the best option on how to obtain my JAA ATPL. I currently work with Servisair in Malta in the Ops department specialising in W & B and I.T. I lately have been thinking of obtaining an ICAO ATPL from JAT academy in Serbia since its relatively less expensive. Then I would make a conversion.
Can anyone give any suggestions please?
Thanks and all the best
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: England
Age: 32
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Licenses
Hi
I have some more questions I would appreciate if someone could clarify. Thanks in advance.
1) If you take up an ATPL course...is it essential you have a PPL and CPL before it?
2) What extra advantage does having an ATPL have over a CPL?
3) How employable are you if you have a A levels in Physics, Maths, a degree in an aviation related subject, and a Frozen ATPL?
Mohammed
I have some more questions I would appreciate if someone could clarify. Thanks in advance.
1) If you take up an ATPL course...is it essential you have a PPL and CPL before it?
2) What extra advantage does having an ATPL have over a CPL?
3) How employable are you if you have a A levels in Physics, Maths, a degree in an aviation related subject, and a Frozen ATPL?
Mohammed
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: UK
Age: 46
Posts: 233
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1) You only need a PPL
2) CPL only if you are going to do parachute jumping, survey work, glider towing, career flight instructor, light twin stuff etc. ATPL for any passenger flying or cargo. For the sake of 3 exams, its not worth not doing the full 14 ATPL's
3) It looks good, but it won't be the defining thing though. Total hours and type of hours logged are far more important as is a type rating. Its all about eliminating percieved risk for the airline and keeping their costs down. Inexpericenced pilots need a lot of resources ploughed into training them.
The biggest hurdle you will encounter in Europe is your name on the top of a CV. Not being harsh, I'd be surprised if that hasn't crossed your mind already.
2) CPL only if you are going to do parachute jumping, survey work, glider towing, career flight instructor, light twin stuff etc. ATPL for any passenger flying or cargo. For the sake of 3 exams, its not worth not doing the full 14 ATPL's
3) It looks good, but it won't be the defining thing though. Total hours and type of hours logged are far more important as is a type rating. Its all about eliminating percieved risk for the airline and keeping their costs down. Inexpericenced pilots need a lot of resources ploughed into training them.
The biggest hurdle you will encounter in Europe is your name on the top of a CV. Not being harsh, I'd be surprised if that hasn't crossed your mind already.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Blue Skies
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1) Depends, if you are going to join a full time ATPL-integrated course no previous flying experience is needed, just pass their assesment tests to be selected for training, but if you are going to join a modular ATPL-distance learning a PPL is a must have and in most cases have a total time of 150hours or you can do this hours with the school your are starting with at the same time you study for your ATPL, this is how it is at least in all
schools i have been in contact with in Europe.
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i think is that way.
Good luck!
/niko
schools i have been in contact with in Europe.
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i think is that way.
Good luck!
/niko
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Blue Skies
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
F117A;
At you age getting a loan shouldn't be a problem, you will have plenty of time to pay it back as you are so young. The only school that offers sponsorships that i know is OAT http://www.oxfordaviation.net and you just have to pass their selection process the problem is that is way to expensive. Then you have many other schools but you will allways take out around 220 to 350 hours max of flying and as Mike Jenvey wrote it wil be quite hard to find a job if you are not recommended or something to an airline.
There is the modular option too, you could take a look to that alternative.
I heard about Serbia, seems to be very good price, i heard about some people going there and beeing happy with the school.
What ever you decide to do, don't hesitate, take your time, it can take 1 or 2 years to find the right school, there are plenty, but not all have such good publicity everywhere so that they are easy to find, so search well and good luck!
/niko
PS.It took me around 1 year to find one.
At you age getting a loan shouldn't be a problem, you will have plenty of time to pay it back as you are so young. The only school that offers sponsorships that i know is OAT http://www.oxfordaviation.net and you just have to pass their selection process the problem is that is way to expensive. Then you have many other schools but you will allways take out around 220 to 350 hours max of flying and as Mike Jenvey wrote it wil be quite hard to find a job if you are not recommended or something to an airline.
There is the modular option too, you could take a look to that alternative.
I heard about Serbia, seems to be very good price, i heard about some people going there and beeing happy with the school.
What ever you decide to do, don't hesitate, take your time, it can take 1 or 2 years to find the right school, there are plenty, but not all have such good publicity everywhere so that they are easy to find, so search well and good luck!
/niko
PS.It took me around 1 year to find one.
Last edited by scroggs; 30th Dec 2006 at 10:55. Reason: Why quote the post immediately above your own?
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: England
Age: 32
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I've heard it before!!!
I have heard all about my name being on the top of CVs...but it isn't going to stop me from persuing my dream. I'm sure those who judge from the inside will see the real person behind the name and disregard any mis-perceptions of me. I am a hard-working diligent worker as the teachers put it and I'm also on course for a great set of GCSEs. Taking the same form into College and then Uni will get me in a favourable position. And then earning money before paying for training and applying for jobs will be the hurdle that I am most concerned about. I do not believe that the minute my CV lands on the desk...it will be turned away instantly. If I did I would have long left this forum.
So thanks for the thought but i'm not much of a pessimist and I am looking to the future. I've heard that comment at school many a time but its better for me to ignore such comments.
I shall next be in touch with you the day BA take me on board
Mohammed
Join Date: May 2001
Location: England
Posts: 1,904
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A nice smart response Mo. Well done. Scameron's point probably cant be denied 100% but amongst the major airlines I don't think you or any other ethnic minority will have a problem....
I believe that's code '01' on the Acorn-RISC based 'Student Report Generator' teachers use to "write" your reports! 
I am a hard-working diligent worker as the teachers put it
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Co.Down N.Ireland
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wannabe airline pilot
Hello everyone!
Im sure there is a wealth of information on this forum about this topic but can anyone give me advice on the best route to go down. I have thought about becoming a pilot through the RAF or through an airline sponsorship sceme. Easyjet run an airline sponsorship scheme, is there any others in the UK? Is the RAF the best way to go?
Thanks for your advice and sorry if i'm being a pain!
Im sure there is a wealth of information on this forum about this topic but can anyone give me advice on the best route to go down. I have thought about becoming a pilot through the RAF or through an airline sponsorship sceme. Easyjet run an airline sponsorship scheme, is there any others in the UK? Is the RAF the best way to go?
Thanks for your advice and sorry if i'm being a pain!
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The Sky
Age: 38
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
not easy
Hi,
There are alarge number of threads to answer these questions.
But simply put its not as easy as "i'll get a sponsor" there are quite literally 1000's of people looking for a very few sponsorship spots.
be aware also that some of the sponsor ships are actually not quite sponsorships. A few still require you to pay for the training they just provide a job after.
The RAF is a big commitment and a tough thing to get into, an airline sponsor will also require quite a bit of dedication to the airline. (most require between 4-6 years of employment after you complete the course)
Don't rely on a sponsorship to become a pilot. Sure apply to all the ones you can. vist the airlines websites, visit the flying schools websites. They will often give information on sponsorships.
Sorry i can't be more helpful, but a few hours of research is all it will take.
Realise very few airlines are actually sponsoring atm. It may change but i'm not sure how long away that is.
(visit the Cabair website i believe an airline or 2 go through them, same with CTC and FTE)
SS.
There are alarge number of threads to answer these questions.
But simply put its not as easy as "i'll get a sponsor" there are quite literally 1000's of people looking for a very few sponsorship spots.
be aware also that some of the sponsor ships are actually not quite sponsorships. A few still require you to pay for the training they just provide a job after.
The RAF is a big commitment and a tough thing to get into, an airline sponsor will also require quite a bit of dedication to the airline. (most require between 4-6 years of employment after you complete the course)
Don't rely on a sponsorship to become a pilot. Sure apply to all the ones you can. vist the airlines websites, visit the flying schools websites. They will often give information on sponsorships.
Sorry i can't be more helpful, but a few hours of research is all it will take.
Realise very few airlines are actually sponsoring atm. It may change but i'm not sure how long away that is.
(visit the Cabair website i believe an airline or 2 go through them, same with CTC and FTE)
SS.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: heading south
Age: 41
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I always wondered, if I privatly finance my ATPL, what are the chances that I get employed? what are the odds? 50:50?
and the question that still have not found a satisfactory answer for, what role does flight school reputation have to play in getting employed?
and the question that still have not found a satisfactory answer for, what role does flight school reputation have to play in getting employed?
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Live near Cardiff (from Scotland)
Age: 47
Posts: 803
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I`d have a look through these if were you http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There is no definitive answer thats why, it depends on lots of variables, the state of the job market, when you finish training etc,
As for reputation of the flight school I would say it has very little bearing, when it comes to interview its down to you, not the school who trained you, you could have gone to the best school in the world but if the interviewer thinks you are a pratt it wont matter where you trained.
As for reputation of the flight school I would say it has very little bearing, when it comes to interview its down to you, not the school who trained you, you could have gone to the best school in the world but if the interviewer thinks you are a pratt it wont matter where you trained.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Salt lake city
Age: 44
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Looking for the right advice..
I am looking forward to complete my PPL and after that ill be going to a ATP school in Chicago for a Professional pilot training.
Is it true that professional pilot training is another way to be an airline pilot.
I dont know what is the right way because i have also heard that you have to have minimum of 1000 flying hours to qualify for a FO/CP position or it depends?
My aim is to fly and fly and fly... but why not fly for the airlines regional/international and private / business.---> Living with passion everyday.
Please share the knowledge and information so that i can find the coolest /smart way to achieve my.....goal.
Is it true that professional pilot training is another way to be an airline pilot.
I dont know what is the right way because i have also heard that you have to have minimum of 1000 flying hours to qualify for a FO/CP position or it depends?
My aim is to fly and fly and fly... but why not fly for the airlines regional/international and private / business.---> Living with passion everyday.
Please share the knowledge and information so that i can find the coolest /smart way to achieve my.....goal.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Not exactly sure what your question is.
An airline pilot is a professional pilot. Likewise a corporate pilot, instructor etc. A professional = commercial = gets paid to fly.
The 1,000 hours for a FO etc position is company dependent. In the US you do need much higher hours to get a jet job etc than in Europe. (Believe me, that's another discussion).
You need to get a CPL (and Instrument rating). Then you need to get a job to get hours and experience so you can move up the chain. I am not sure, but I think you need a few hours before you can take the ATPL theory tests too.
I am sure someone more familiar with the FAA regs will reply.
An airline pilot is a professional pilot. Likewise a corporate pilot, instructor etc. A professional = commercial = gets paid to fly.
The 1,000 hours for a FO etc position is company dependent. In the US you do need much higher hours to get a jet job etc than in Europe. (Believe me, that's another discussion).
You need to get a CPL (and Instrument rating). Then you need to get a job to get hours and experience so you can move up the chain. I am not sure, but I think you need a few hours before you can take the ATPL theory tests too.
I am sure someone more familiar with the FAA regs will reply.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Is this true?
I was chatting to a French Pilot who said rather than do ATPL etc just pay for your CPL, IR and MCC then do a type rating, its quicker and cheaper. Is this really an option. All the research I have done and I have not seen this way promoted.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Horseshoe
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Horseshoe
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 919
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You can't get your ATPL issued until you have 1,500 hours including 500 multi crew...having a type rating won't help you other than maybe helping you to get a job (and therefore multi crew time) in the first place. As mcgoo suggests, do a bit of research - there is a LOT of information on pprune and you will find everything you need to understand all the issues..
Good luck...
Good luck...
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bolton, England
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
some advice on becoming a commerical pilot
hi,
first of all im 14 from Bolton/uk, My local airport is manchester intl. I was reccomended to come here by another pilot i emailed but i dont think he is a member here.
So i have come here because i belive there are a few pilots here who can give me some advice on how to become a proffesional pilot. Such as exams taken, qualifications, what you paid for flying lessons etc. I dont really know anything at the moment so i was wondering if you could help me out.
I am currently in year 10 at school and got my work experience coming up in the future and wondering if there is anyone who lives in manchester or nearby who could give me some advice on where to go. I have looked up flying schools/airports in the yellow pages/phone book and i dont think Manchester INTL allow people to go there for work experience due to security risks and my nearest flying shool is Blackpool which is miles off so i cant travel to Blackpool every morning for two weeks can i?
Any info you could give me is very appreciated. My email is [email protected]
Thanks
Jamie D
first of all im 14 from Bolton/uk, My local airport is manchester intl. I was reccomended to come here by another pilot i emailed but i dont think he is a member here.
So i have come here because i belive there are a few pilots here who can give me some advice on how to become a proffesional pilot. Such as exams taken, qualifications, what you paid for flying lessons etc. I dont really know anything at the moment so i was wondering if you could help me out.
I am currently in year 10 at school and got my work experience coming up in the future and wondering if there is anyone who lives in manchester or nearby who could give me some advice on where to go. I have looked up flying schools/airports in the yellow pages/phone book and i dont think Manchester INTL allow people to go there for work experience due to security risks and my nearest flying shool is Blackpool which is miles off so i cant travel to Blackpool every morning for two weeks can i?
Any info you could give me is very appreciated
. My email is [email protected]Thanks
Jamie D