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Old 9th Jul 2016, 18:47
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To be fair some of us often paste quick replies 'on the hoof' while travelling or working.

Newspapers use sub editors to correct simple errors not spotted by the writers.

Now if we really want to discuss language then the term 'global outreach' merits further discussion.

When I board a 12 hour red eye flight am I taking taking part in 'global outreach' ?

A middle aged British woman, dressed up to look like a fashion editors idea of a biplane pilot complete with entourage in a separate aircraft ,is light years away from the real world.



Best summed up by her saying "Sam..what could possibly be more important than getting my luggage to the hotel"?

Her image goes further with the double barrelled name Curtis-Taylor.

I was exchanging emails with her ex husband a few days ago.

He says he wants his surname Taylor back as they divorced a long time ago.

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I've gradually read this thread all the way through, in 3 or 4 visits.

It amuses me to think of the wording of that award citation, something like by all accounts, overcoming unforeseen difficulties ...

What can be unforeseen difficulties nowadays? Surely nothing to do with weather? Inadvertent arrival in a country just as war breaks out? Infestation of the airframe by insect swarms? Nope, I just thought of those.

In some article TCT admits she can be a bit sharp with fools on the ground. And somewhere above we have an example, who will get her bags to the hotel.

Oh dear.

Even the possibility of arriving at Farnborough just in time is overblown in how intrepid it is. Four days? Some of us could drive a car there and back in just over two days. Come to think of it, put the plane on or in a trailer and let someone tow it.

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Grande Dame Finale

The Flight of the Pheonix springs to mind.

She plans to plod around the after dinner circuit for years peddling Walter Mitty tales.

The HCAP does not emerge from this well despite the excellent defence from Flying Lawyer.

The letter below quite clearly grants her the Masters Medal on the basis she undertook the UK to Sydney flight in the Spirit of Artifice alone. This was written in January before this thread started to unravel the real story.

Her publicity stunt was based on a woman pilot flying long distance alone or solo in a restored biplane.
(given the new definition of sole pilot I am no longer sure where that fits?)

Her tag was commerating Amy Johnson and Lady Mary Heath who both flew historic solo flights.

Hence the Bird in a Biplane website. Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker

The result was massive publicity with female solo pilot in headlines and stories.

However once the truth started to emerge damage limitation clicked in not least with HCAP.

Her Masters Medal is no longer being awarded for the reasons in this letter.

It is now for "promoting women in aviation" which is a paradox as she had an airline pilot with thousands of hours in the front seat. He also is the registered owner of "her" aircraft.



As my old helicopter flying friend Duncan always reminds...."I rest my case"

If you are concerned about the address being visible in the letter above it is the registered office of Bird in Biplane Ltd. UK registered company information is available online hence https://www.endole.co.uk/company/077...iplane-limited

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I do not suppose I am alone in thanking all concerned for the best running comedy for quite a long time ! The Thread is always the second "must see" (after CapCom), when I log on in the morning.

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We might think it is a comedy Danny but Boeing aircraft have fallen for her hype.

She even conned the BBC TV Newsround programme which is aimed at children.

A British adventurer has completed an epic 14,600-nautical mile flight from the UK to Australia in a 73-year-old plane.
Tracey Curtis-Taylor set off in her 1942 Boeing Stearman aircraft called 'Spirit of Artemis' from Farnborough, England, in October.
She was retracing the route of Amy Johnson, who in 1930 became the first woman to fly solo from Britain to Australia, flying over 23 countries and making some 50 refuelling stops.
Tracey Curtis-Taylor finishes UK to Australia flight - CBBC Newsround
While the well paid journalists in the BBC HQ in London were writing the next cut and past story from the internet they were missing the cuckoo in the nest.

Little kids everywhere must have been asking 'who is that man in the front seat of the lady's epic solo flight mummy and why is he hiding? '

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The British left wing Guardian national newspaper also fell for the bait without checking out the real story.

A British aviator has touched down in Sydney, completing her 21,000km solo flight from England in a vintage open cockpit biplane.

“I need a drink. And I need a hairdresser,” Tracey Curtis-Taylor said as she climbed out of her 1942 Boeing Stearman, Spirit of Artemis, to cheers and applause at Sydney airport on Saturday.

The 53-year-old pilot has flown across 23 countries, making 50 refuelling stops, since she set off from Farnborough in Hampshire, southern England, in October.

Her mission was to emulate the pioneering British aviator Amy Johnson, who became the first woman to fly solo from Britain to Australia in 1930.

Curtis-Taylor’s route took her across Europe and the Mediterranean to Jordan, over the Arabian desert, across the Gulf of Oman to Pakistan, India and across Asia.

Encountering treacherous weather and navigating the politics of the airways were the toughest parts of the trip, she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...intage-biplane

She said of one leg near Bucharest: “Flying in heavy rain, low cloud on the deck … that was a death trap that killed a lot of the airline pilots. So I turned around and went back.”
Failing to mention dashing Austrian airline pilot Ewald Gritsch who has flown front seat on all her 'expeditions'
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Everyone can be forgiven by getting sucked-in to her deceit. That's the way she portrayed it. One journalist might get it slightly mixed up. The second may get it slightly wrong, but over 15 from all parts of the world? I think not.

She, and her PR team were clearly sailing very close to the wind at that juncture. The second that she realised that she was rumbled, it was in my submission that the entire matter quite dramatically moved to a different area when the deceit was known and the scurrying around was visual to all by burying the deceit.

FL disagrees with me, but I would expect him to anyway, but I still genuinely believe the 'specimen' has much merit.

From post # 658 "The submission could quite easily be between Dec 13 - to on or about 3rd July, dishonestly and intending to make a gain for herself or another, or expose another to risk of loss by way of false representation, which she knew might not be true and/or misleading, namely that she flew 'solo' and 'alone' in breach of section 1/2 of the Fraud Act 2006.


She was even interviewed by Pilot Magazine by way of Question and Answer in October 2015. It was very clear even then that they also genuinely believed, like HCAP, that the flight was solo mirroring Amy Johnson.

Extract,

If you hadn’t been flying solo, who would have been your ideal co-pilot?



Although this was primarily a solo flight, certainly at the outset, I often took members of the crew and sponsors with me in the Stearman for reasons of expediency or indeed just so that they could share the experience. I did one flight with Bill Sykes, a retired air force pilot and local historian, who was based in Bulawayo and we tried to find the site where Lady Heath crash landed in 1928.


Link https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...Cnk-vp_ErV00vw
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In the Pilot interview mentioned by you Jetblu she said she wants to fly with Prince Harry.

Not such a joke when you see how far she has come on so little real flying.

Last August she had 1,430 hours (of which at least 350 were on type) Last 90 days - 16 hours
Last 28 days - 9 hours when she destroyed an R44 helicopter at Goodwood.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...6200_12-15.pdf
Yes the famous wrecked R44 with Boeings name emblazoned.


The UK Royal Family have fallen for her tales of adventure in the sky.

Here she is with HRH Queen Elizabeths grand daughter Zara Philips



TCT with with Prince Michael of Kent who is the Queens first cousin. Also present at the HCAP Cobham Lecture.

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Looking at those pictures reminds me and takes me back to the days of John DeLorean was seen posing with the royals. He was also allegedly doing everyone a favour at that time by creating employment.

Soon after, the SFO became involved and it was egg on face time.
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Was Zara Phillips misled in to appearing alongside TCT.

She is quoted in this article.

PHILLIPS CELEBRATES A PIONEERING WOMAN’S JOURNEY ACROSS AFRICA

Tracey Curtis-Taylor to fly Spirit of Artemis solo from South Africa to UK in November 2013

In November 2013 pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor will embark on a grueling solo journey to fly Spirit of Artemis, her open-cockpit biplane, from Cape Town in South Africa to Goodwood in Sussex. And today at the Goodwood Revival Festival she was joined by Olympic Equestrienne Zara Phillips who gave her personal support to the trailblazing Aviatrix.

Her aim is to celebrate the 85th anniversary of the achievement of a remarkable pioneer from the Golden Age of British aviation in the 1920’s. In 1928, Mary Heath – the first woman to hold a commercial flying license in Britain – made front page news around the world as the first pilot, male or female, to fly a small, open-cockpit biplane from Cape Town to London.

Zara Phillips, who was on hand to provide a personal send-off to Tracey, commented

“I am proud to support pioneering women and will be following Spirit of Artemis closely as Tracey Curtis-Taylor takes on Africa. Lady Mary Heath was an inspirational person both in terms of aviation and in developing women’s involvement in the Olympics, for which I am personally very grateful. It’s fantastic that Tracey is celebrating this wonderful achievement and taking on such a huge challenge at the same time in the classic spirit of British adventure that has defined our history.”


Flying Spirit of Artemis, an open cockpit plane exposed to the elements, is not for the faint-hearted, and the flight represents a formidable physical and logistical challenge. In all Curtis-Taylor will cover some 7,000 miles in some 32 legs over six weeks in a plane designed in the 1930’s, with a top speed of 85 mph, an operating ceiling of 10,000 feet and a range of only 400 miles. But this sort of extreme flying is what Curtis-Taylor has been doing all her life.

Tracey will leave for South Africa on Sunday September 15th from the Goodwood Revival Festival. Her plane will be shipped to Cape Town and reassembled at ExecuJet Africa's facility, and on 1st November her flight will begin.

Pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor said:

“My Cape Town to Goodwood flight is a personal tribute to all of the pioneering aviators who have been such a huge inspiration to me since I had my first flight as a sixteen year old. I am deeply excited – and terrified! – at the prospect of flying across Africa in Spirit of Artemis and retracing Lady Heath’s epic flight. This journey is the realization of something beyond a dream. It is a celebration of flight itself as the ultimate idea of adventure, romance and freedom.”
Tracey's route will follow Mary Heath's. It will take her from South Africa to Zimbabwe, Zambia and Tanzania, then on through Kenya, Uganda and the Sudan to Egypt and along the coast through Libya and Tunisia before she turns for Sicily and home.

Lord March, owner of Goodwood, said:

“We're delighted that Tracey has chosen Goodwood as the destination for her flight. In addition to being a renowned racing driver, my grandfather, Freddie March, was also an aero engineer and pilot, who built his own plane and served with the RAF in the Second World War. We celebrate that aeronautical history each year at the Goodwood Revival so it seems particularly appropriate that Tracey and her Boeing are here today and that Goodwood will be her ultimate destination after setting off from Cape Town.”
John Dodd of Artemis Investment Management said:

“Artemis Investment Management LLP is proud to be supporting Tracey Curtis-Taylor and her epic flight from Cape Town to Goodwood. Echoing the historic flight of Lady Mary Heath in 1928, it takes tenacity, dedication, resilience and a will of iron to fly such a route in such an iconic aircraft. We look forward to following Spirit of Artemis closely as Tracey crosses Africa alone in the spirit of great British adventure and look forward to welcoming her back to Goodwood.”
Ettore Poggi, Managing Director of ExecuJet Africa, said:

“ExecuJet Africa is delighted to be helping Tracey on her momentous journey. We look forward to assisting Tracey during her time in South Africa. We are will assist with the reassembly of Spirit of Artemis in our Cape Town facility and we will also be offering full support for the onward journey at our Lanseria FBO.”
Tracey's preparations can be followed via the website, www.capetowntogoodwood.com and on the Facebook page at
www.facebook.com/capetowntogoodwood

Tracey's entire journey will be the subject of a documentary, made by Nylon Films, to be screened in early 2014. More than just a story about a pioneering, but forgotten aviator, it's a story about achieving your dreams and being unwilling to live life on other peoples' terms. It's about strength and vulnerability and having the guts and determination to refuse to be pigeonholed.
CAPE TOWN TO GOODWOOD WITH TRACEY CURTIS-TAYLOR IN A BOEING STEARMAN | Article - Sun 15 Sep 2013 12:55:30 PM UTC | airsoc.com.

This paragraph intrigues me.
Flying Spirit of Artemis, an open cockpit plane exposed to the elements, is not for the faint-hearted, and the flight represents a formidable physical and logistical challenge. In all Curtis-Taylor will cover some 7,000 miles in some 32 legs over six weeks in a plane designed in the 1930’s, with a top speed of 85 mph, an operating ceiling of 10,000 feet and a range of only 400 miles.

But this sort of extreme flying is what Curtis-Taylor has been doing all her life.
She has posted no evidence of being anything more than a ppl prior to Capetown.
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D'you suppose that the powers that be, at pprune HQ would complain if we all inserted this image in every post about TCT?

I just think it might help people focus on who we are talking about.
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You know, there are some PPRuNers on the Rotorheads forum who'd think that's a lovely photograph.
They would consider that an illustration of a positive contribution to air-safety - one less Robinson around.

Perhaps some Association, Honourable Company or Society might have a spare trophy lying around they could present to TCT for that "notable accomplishment".
I'd venture to say that it would be the only one she's genuinely earned.
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"And, according to her website, an "Inspirational Speaker" - a desirable characteristic in a Prime Minister."

Well, the one I had in mind with resembling characteristics of TCT is now facing Contempt of Parliament, and rightly so.


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I just don't know how your brain works, but all the same, you're bl**dy ingenious.

*That* award should be latex and in the shape of the Stearman stick. She should then be sent away to .........off [buzz] for a stupendous alone solo with her award.

Why didn't I think of that.
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Jay Sata (#775).

Sorry, Jay, but it just gets better and better !

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You're a very naughty boy, Jetblu.

You've got me thinking, though.
Perhaps we, in this Ignoble Company of Witch-Hunters, should form our own Trophies and Awards Committee.
Suggestions as to what appropriate commendations and accolades we might shower upon our Godess of the Gullible would be welcomed.
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I don't believe for one minute that you wrote that piece. I know that you would have said so if you did.
Correct.
I didn't.
If I had I would have said so.


As airpolice has pointed out, the article was written by Paul Smiddy, the editor of our bimonthly journal.
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Guys,

all you need to do is form a committee, and award Ewald an award for his solo accomplishments with TCT in the other cock-pit (sic).

You need to write on official letter head to him asking him to accept the award. You then need to send a copy of that letter to the newspapers and HCAP (sic) etc.

You also need to put (sic) every time you write HCAP from now on ;-)

Maybe you should make a similiar award to the pilot of the chase plane, who was probably "sole operator of the controls"

Btw, what do you actually want from this now ? TCT has admitted she lied, Wikipedia has been updated, her website has been updated.

If HCAP (sic) adjusted the wording on their award (this is surely what they will do, just change it to an award for being a female pilot or something), will that be an end to the matter ?

What is the point / aim now?
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata
This paragraph intrigues me.

Flying Spirit of Artemis, an open cockpit plane exposed to the elements, is not for the faint-hearted, and the flight represents a formidable physical and logistical challenge. In all Curtis-Taylor will cover some 7,000 miles in some 32 legs over six weeks in a plane designed in the 1930’s, with a top speed of 85 mph, an operating ceiling of 10,000 feet and a range of only 400 miles.

But this sort of extreme flying is what Curtis-Taylor has been doing all her life.
She has posted no evidence of being anything more than a ppl prior to Capetown.
I can't quite see what is intriguing about it, unless it's to muse on what is so extreme about it.

Basic arithmetic says that averages about 2 hours a day, leaving plenty of time to hang around waiting to avoid the worst weather, or call in mediators to help settle urgent personal luggage carrying disputes so they don't obstruct unglamorous details like periodic aircraft checks and an oil change or two.

To follow your licence track though, let's remember for a moment that a woman was captain of the first scheduled flight to arrive at Heathrow Terminal 5, surely a more practical albeit perhaps prosaic illustration to other aspiring women that there are careers in aviation.
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No. The paragraph is just amusing in the grand scale of her rhetoric.

"But this sort of extreme flying is what Curtis-Taylor has been doing all her life."

It is this sentence which IS intriguing, and, if, she was here, I'm sure that we would be amused again when she was asked to expand upon that.
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You got me chuckling there, kghjfg.

With reference to TCT's Website and Wiki Page, I would point out, though, that there's a subtle difference in meaning between
the words 'update' and 'amend'.
Perhaps our Tracey's amateur professional billsh1tter and the mysterious 'MurielMary' (assuming they're not the same person)
could have a closer look at their Oxfords and Roget's.


p.s. The HCAP's editor of 'Air Pilot' needs to polish his adjectival use, research and technical accuracy, as well.
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