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Old 9th Jul 2016, 08:11
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Without knowing this gentleman, nor details of his writing(s), the word "enthusiastic" seems operative.
Please quote those parts of his report where, in your opinion, the word enthusiastic seems "operative" (sic).

In particular, given the context of this discussion: Where he seems enthusiastic about TCT and/or her claimed aviation achievements?
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She braved everything that weather can throw at a pilot, hard landings, flip-overs and local bureaucracy as she navigated over 10,000 miles flying for hours each day often at no more than 500 feet. An incredible story illustrated by stunning images of her plane over the desert, the jungle and flying past the dramatic shape of Uluru in Australia which we grew up to call Ayers Rock.
I can't speak for Step Turn but if that sentence, especially the first part, doesn't strike you as being somewhat "enthusiastic" I fear that you are losing your sense of judgement FL.

In the light of the last 38 pages or so, the only word which sounded honest was the word "incredible".
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If the words you quote had appeared in the article to which Step Turn referred, then your fear about my sense of judgment would be well founded.
They didn't.

Step Turn quoted me saying The writer of that piece is neither a "professional billsh1tter" nor a "promotional copy writer" and he went on to respond to my comments about the article.
The quote is from post 739 where I was responding to comments made by Stanwell about the article in our in-house journal. See Stanwell's response in post 742.

The article from which you quote which was written by a guest at the lecture, and was posted later.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the author of that commentary wrote in good faith. It is an accurate summary of TCT's claims during her lecture. The author is not a pilot.
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With TCT's clear skills, magical, dogged and superior in so many areas, I think she she's an obvious candidate for our next Prime Minister !

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Originally Posted by Jetblu
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I can see what you did there.

....but I don't think it will work on this one.

I will see if anyone else spots the obvious
Originally Posted by blueandwhite
Do you mean

"I'll tell you wether or not I think you are correct"

Or are you the pope and thus blessed with infallibility?

Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer

blueandwhite

No, I did not mean that. If I had I would have said so.

No, not even a Roman Catholic, but I am in the unique position of knowing what is in my own mind and, accordingly, being able to say whether Jetblu's theory is correct or incorrect.
I have no idea what it is and am curious.
I had a sneaking suspicion you were not intending to allow for the possibility that you could be wrong.

I love it when people try to reply to the question or issues they wish had been raised rather than what was really said.

JetBlu said 1) he could see what you did 2) He didn't think it would work 3) he wondered if anyone else would spot it. At no point did he ask what you were thinking.

Although I have got to agree with you that you are not infallible.
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And, according to her website, an "Inspirational Speaker" - a desirable characteristic in a Prime Minister.
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I had typed a great response then Pprune lost the page when I tried to post it, here we go again....

I don't know what JetBlu thought JetBlu saw.

I don't know who the author is, or might be better known as.

Maybe, just maybe, JetBlu thinks that as Flying Lawyer describes the Author as having joined pprune 16 years ago and Flying Lawyer joined in 2000, well maybe JetBlu is joining up the dots.

Flying Lawyer's third person description of the author might actually have led JetBlu to think that Flying Lawyer is indeed the author. Flying Lawyer has not said that he isn't.

Sometimes, when it looks like a Duck, and sounds like a Duck, and walks like a Duck, it might actually be a Grebe.

Now, I'm not saying that Flying Lawyer did write the article, I'm not saying that I think he did. I'm saying that I think that JetBlu thinks flying Lawyer wrote is and tried to get some distance from it, and lend it credibility to it by describing the author in the third person.


This bit got missed off from my original re-type.

In the magazine, the byline for the article is Paul Smiddy, the magazine editor. So... if my theory is correct, then JetBlu's (imagined by me) theory is wrong.

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Please quote those parts of his report where, in your opinion, the word enthusiastic seems "operative" (sic)
Ah, the intent of my statement was misunderstandable: I intended to convey that an author or similar participant in an inspirational aviation event can be generally enthusiastic, and with that enthusiasm, eagerly promote more enthusiasm so as to spread the good will. It appears to me that pre expose, TCT could probably lure many well meaning, good thinking aviation enthusiasts into her deception. In my opinion, simply joining the enthusiasm at face value would be an accidental error, not an offense in and of itself.

Though a very entertaining topic to discuss and reflect upon, and an example of how one (TCT) could do very much better with truth and ethics, considering innocent people being shot in the street, none of this really matters much. It's just the comic strip in the newspaper, no matter how it works out....
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Nah.
I somehow don't think that FL personally had anything to do with that article.
He's struck me as being little more literate than that.
Because of his vigorous defence of his fellow member, I can see how that question mark came up, though.

Just by the way, much earlier, I'd prepared a considered and somewhat detailed analysis of that report.
OK, I'm on the last couple of lines of the final paragraph and hit the enter/return key to start a new line and, poof!, the whole thing's disappeared into the ether.

It's not the first time it's happened to me, and indeed and others, who've taken the time and trouble to attempt to post something worthwhile and detailed, have had the same thing happen to them.
It only happens on PPRuNe.
Damn frustrating .. The better part of half an hour's work down the drain.
Perhaps the administrator, 'iBobi', could look into it.
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Apart from quick replies is is advisable to write a detailed item elsewhere using word pad or similar and then paste to pprune.

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Apart from quick replies is is advisable to write a detailed item elsewhere such as wordpad and the paste.
Ain't that the truth!
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"Tell me what you think you can see and I'll tell you whether or not you are correct."



I am correct. In admission by your own words, which I will come onto in a minute.

First, it must be said that you are a much respected, likeable, honourable and genuine gentleman with huge amounts of integrity. Myself, like you have a foot in two camps, so, it will be true to say this is a difficult one for you to balance here. For that reason, I'm not going to push too hard other than to say that, I know, that you know, that this TCT debacle regarding the HCAP Masters Medal is very very wrong and unjust. In fact, it is totally unbelievable, and I doubt would be believed if it wasn't to be seen here.

No, I don't believe for one minute that you wrote that piece. I know that you would have said so if you did. I guessed that it was written by a rather enthusiastic member of HCAP [or potential member] doing 'his bit' in this embarrassing and deceitful charade.

Moving on to the interesting parts....

You said..

"He has accurately, and very briefly, summarised the lecture given by TCT."

You was there, I wasn't. She is entitled to say what she wants while being accurately recorded, but, and there is a big but, once we go Honourable and to publication. Some people will genuinely believe her story by the very nature of it appearing in your company magazine. 'Due diligence'?

"If you had ""read the article with an open mind"", you would have noticed that he has not lauded her"..


Yes, and I think a similar statement should have accompanied THAT piece, to save HCAP's integrity.

"anyone attending the lecture (who didn't already know the truth) would have left thinking that she'd flown the Stearman solo to Australia - with a 'chase aircraft' following her simply to record the flight.

It's called facilitating the deceit. Of course, one can argue and play the dumb card, but by the very nature of the HCAP membership, I don't believe anyone will readily admit to that.

And here we are today with members outside HCAP with jaws wide open in total disbelief. You couldn't make it up.

I don't take much notice when she refers to the Stearman as 'my/mine' Generally, most woman refer to what belongs to others as 'theirs' and what belongs to them as their own. [speaking from personal experience]

It is very very clear that the deceit is now getting white-washed while the spin doctors behind the scenes are carefully playing with the words. My submission is that whilst others may believe this is now getting played down and will be forgotten, I genuinely believe that it is now more serious than ever for HCAP. She has not done anything credible at all, and has now unfortunately brought adverse attention and publicity to HCAP.
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I can see what you did there.

....but I don't think it will work on this one.

I will see if anyone else spots the obvious

What exactly did you see FL do?
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England to Australia - solo

This thread started by asking detail of solo flights from England to Oz.
Although distracted somewhat by more recent events there has not been any mention (that I have seen) of the SOLO flight conducted by Jan Schönburg in Cessna 150, G-AWAW, in 1980 in honour of 50 yrs since Amy Johnson's flight.
No real backup, no gps. That was a real effort, but got very little coverage outside the aviation and local press of the day. She did write a book - will have to dig it up.
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"What exactly did you see FL do?"

He 'summed up' from his position rather eloquently, in that TCT was allowed to say her piece in front of the assembled honourable members, despite the actual facts and known truths being said.

We are conditioned that because TCT believes it, they believe it too, and the music plays on.

The 'Global Outreach Programme' is just a new hyped-up fascicle and I would be interested on what basis THAT is recorded.
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I wonder how real the instructor rating is ? AFI CFI or ground studies ?
How many ab initio has she trained ?
The cover up expands like P.U. foam filler !
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"Could it be that good old Ewald is a besotted middle aged man who's judgement has been clouded by matters of the heart.....not an unreasonable assumption given TCT's track record"

It's possible, I guess.

By TCT's own admission, she implied, 'alone with Ewald's cock-pit' Innocent Freudian slip? Who knows
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Jetblu's use of English continues to defeat me.
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I would think that Ewald is doing quite nicely out of it as it is.

His company, which specialises in the acquisition, rebuilding, restoration and on-selling of Stearmans, was previously little-known outside of the vintage aviation fraternity.
I would venture to say that, as a result of publicity flow-on from all this, his order book, deposit book and profile would be looking quite healthy, thank you.
He went into this with his eyes wide open, don't you worry.

The only mugs that are going to end up looking a bit silly out of all this are the LAA, HCAP and RAeS.
Better gather round the fire, boys.
Would sir care for a port?
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"Jetblu's use of English continues to defeat me."

You have been continuously defeated, despite coming back for more.

'Cock-pit' wasn't my English. It was hers.
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