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Old 11th Jul 2016, 12:28
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Anyway peoples, the case of deceit has been adequately presented and I don't see anything else that I can positively add unless any more comes to light.

I think we've all have a good laugh, and I genuinely believe that TCT has too, once she is at home and behind closed doors. I bet she takes that Masters Medal, conceals a straight face and under her breath says, "mugs mugs mugs"
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Ok,

so, the pages have been amended. (I presume that's your point?)

If HCAP (sic) amend their award so that it's no longer inappropriate. (Have they done that yet?)

Then what further are you looking for ? To me it looks like those that wanted to expose the truth, have. It's been published in a national newspaper, TCT has admitted she lied.

Seriously, what more do you want ?

Because without a further clear aim, it does begin to look like a weird personal vendetta.

I didn't like the dishonesty, that's been dealt with. So what if she is now a "celebrity" rather than an achiever. Plenty make a living from that.

If HCAP (sic) find that impressive, that's up to them. If none of their members have done anything more impressive, worthy of the award, why does that bother you. It reflects on them, not you.
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kghjfg,

My point on the first one is that "updated" (as opposed to 'amended') has become a current, convenient buzz-word used by certain media - an alternative to
admitting that they got things terribly wrong in the first place.
The whole TCT machine's momentum had been built upon the ongoing and grossly deceitful "Solo Aviatrix" message.
Then, when the scam had been rumbled, it was simply a matter of "updating" certain 'barely relevant details'.

The big message was out there, firmly fixed in the gullible public's mind...
"Tracey Curtis-Taylor - Solo Aviatrix"
There we go, "Fait accompli", you see.
Beauty. Let's go have a drink.

I'm really not sure, at the moment, exactly what the Honourable(sic) Company's 'plan B' is.
The last I'd heard was that they'd just moved the goalposts to award her a Master's Medal for "Promoting Women in Aviation" instead, or somesuch.
Well done, chaps ... What a role model you picked.

Cunning artifice, blatant deceit, sucking up to dribbling old fools and a 24/7 PR machine is the way to do it, girls.
What a message!

"TCT has admitted she lied".
Well not that I'd seen or heard anywhere .. Perhaps you know more than me.
The best that I'd noticed were certain relatively recent deletions from and amendments (sorry, 'updates') to the spiel.
That, together with the 'caveat' that she'd plastered over the front page of her website suggesting that there must have been some 'misunderstanding'
over her many-times published and on-the-record "Solo" claims.

The last paragraph of that is enough to make any right-thinking person sick.
In that, she claims that certain nasty people are now claiming that she should have undertaken the venture solo.

Oh, give us a break, Tracey, will you, please?


I'll answer the rest of your questions a bit later, if that's OK - otherwise this post is likely to fall victim to the 'PPRuNe Gremlin'.

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The edit lock which was imposed by MM on TCT's Wikipedia page has expired. The final paragraph now appears to reflect accurately at least some of the comments made in this thread. Whether it will stay like that is another matter.
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This is an extract from the statement which appears on TCT's webpage:

I am deeply disappointed at the comments coming from a particular source making false assertions that my flight expeditions should have been executed as solo flights. They were not.
This looks to me as if TCT ( and her spin doctor) is now trying to create the impression that she is being criticised only for NOT being solo, and not for saying that she WAS solo when she wasn't. This will be the lasting perception by the public and she will come out as the good guy, and the "particular source" (Jay Sata?) will be seen as the bad guy.

With the current rush of female politicians to the top spots, I think that Tracy would do extremely well at that game.
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You got it right, pulse1.

In that, she's trying to make out that there's just this one nasty person out there who's been running around telling fibs about her.
You'll also note how she's trying to play the 'victim' card.
That also works with the gullible.

Lies upon lies.

Let's see her sit down over a table and answer some questions - with witnesses.

Cunning as the proverbial 'outhouse rat', this one - although not quite as bright.


p.s. I'd heard it said that .. "When one has reached the bottom of a hole, one should stop digging."
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Once again, I would refer those interested to the following link which, through the waybackwhen.com website, shows TCT's webpage as it was in Feb 2015 before significant editing took place. First sentence in the fourth para. refers:

Tracey Curtis Taylor Aviator, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker
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What a pity the illustrious organ (aka Private Eye, the UK’s weekly satirical magazine) has yet to pick up this wonderful story of deceit, self promotion at all costs and the subsequent trail of cover-ups, corrections, deletions and rewrites in their “shurely shome mishtake” column. Tracy nee-Curtis-Taylor would no doubt then be advised to engage Messrs Carter-F**k, the organ’s long term legal sparring partner, to seek redress for allegedly appalling libel that has dealt her reputation as Commercial Pilot, flying instructor and semi professional solo peddler of fairy tales a dastardly blow. Hopefully the Honourable Company of Aerial Plotters would escape the organ’s attention, for despite it’s gullibility in being drawn into the spider’s web, it is an organisation that is highly respected worldwide and does much to promote aviation to the young men and women who will succeed us old f**ts in the years to come.
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The criteria for a wiki page is a worth a look.
Publication in a reliable source is not always good evidence of notability:

Wikipedia is not a promotional medium. Self-promotion, autobiography, product placement and most paid material are not valid routes to an encyclopedia article. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter.

Independent sources are also needed to guarantee a neutral article can be written; see Wikipedia:Autobiography for discussion of neutrality concerns of self-published sources. Even non-promotional self-published sources, like technical manuals that accompany a product, are still not evidence of notability as they are not a measure of the attention a subject has received.
Her career only warrants one short paragraph.

2011, Curtis-Taylor flew in the Flying Legends show at Duxford Aerodrome, England.[7][8] She has also performed as a display pilot at the Shuttleworth Collection in Bedfordshire, England,[9] and in 2015 flew at the Amy Johnson Memorial Air Show at Herne Bay, Kent, England.[10]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Curtis-Taylor

As far as I know she has only ever done flypasts. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on her Shuttleworth and Duxford displays?

There is also the issue of the CAA rules.
Before you can perform at an approved flying display you will need a display authorisation. This requires you to undertake an approval flight for a display evaluator.

Renew a display authorisation by filling in and sending us form SRG 1302.
To upgrade a display authorisation please use form SRG 1300.
For an initial application for a display authorisation please see Flying Displays and Special Events: A guide to safety and administrative arrangements.
Check the cost in our Scheme of Charges.
Guidance for display pilots
Guidance on forms and charges is available in our quick reference guide
You now need a behavioural and attitudinal fitness assessment.
http://www.caa.co.uk/General-aviatio...ying-displays/
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I put together a short factual wikipedia page a few years ago about a martial arts organisation I belong to.

Then somebody with more energy than sense in our organisation decided to edit it to massively big us up, introducing various in-house titles that mean nothing to anybody outside (and not much within) and basically making us sound like a bunch of self aggrandising dickheads.

It was removed completely within the week by somebody within the Wikipedia community. Can't say I blamed them - I decided that life was too short to try again!

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I suspect your personal wiki page would be a lot more interesting than TCT's fiction Genghis.

As an aside I have enjoyed your posts for a long time on pprune especially the very heated one a couple of years ago.

I have always wanted to ask why the Genghis name? I assume it must be a play on your surname.

No need to answer but just curious.

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Airpolice - Referring to your picture, are you suggesting that a nasty helicopter got in the way of our heroine's biplane? How thoughtless. Was that caused by aerodrome density or did the head of the person who was helping her celebrate Amy Johnson & Lady Heath's achievements obscure her view forward?

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Originally Posted by Jay Sata
I suspect your personal wiki page would be a lot more interesting than TCT's fiction Genghis.

As an aside I have enjoyed your posts for a long time on pprune especially the very heated one a couple of years ago.

I have always wanted to ask why the Genghis name? I assume it must be a play on your surname.

No need to answer but just curious.

best regards
About a quarter of a century ago, I was working part time in a research group looking into metal fatigue. I was the only real engineer there - pretty much everybody else were materials scientists.

I got rather frustrated one day after yet another day of them trying to get to the bottom of the very fine detail of a problem, whilst I was at the same time trying to identify what really mattered to the engineers I felt that we were there to serve.

So, on the spur of the moment I made up a small sign and pinned it to the office wall...

Dear Scientists, please remember - Best is the enemy of good enough. Signed, Genghis the Engineer.
In retrospect, I don't think that anybody there gave a damn what I thought - but it stuck in my mind as a good label for myself, and I've used it a few times since - including on PPrune.

"Best is the enemy of good enough", I stole from a sign on the desk of the Chief Maintenance Engineer at RAE Farnborough, who I'd reported to in a previous job. It's a useful concept, because it forces you to think about both what "best" and "good enough" mean and why each matters and where.

I have since read a few biographies of Temujin, who became Genghis Khan, and discovered what a hellishly interesting chap he was (if one rather lacking in social niceties) which didn't cause me to change my liking for the name at-all.

No, not particularly to do with my real name.

I have been contacted once on PPrune by an aspiring pilot from Mongolia, who was dissapointed to discover that there wasn't really a second Mongol here, as he hoped I was. Boringly British I'm afraid.

G

(Yes I am mentioned a few places on Wikipedia, in my real name, by other people. I once added a couple of words to a sentence saying what my profession is (for the record "an aeronautical engineer"), otherwise I've left it to other people's perception and views.)

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JetBlue;

If canopener is indeed who I suspect he is, then he does have some real display pilot experience on a real and rare warbird and has won the odd one or two aerobatic competitions in a pretty serious aerobatic aircraft. Unlike another person with the same last name he doesn't need to embellish the truth, nor put his hand out for an award.

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Jay Sata,

I've been just a fascinated reader of this Thread from the beginning (you couldn't make it up !), and do not know most of the details, but there is one point which so far seems to have escaped notice. I understand that the stated object of the US transcontinental flight was to retrace the route of the old mail pilots from Seattle to Boston.

<US 2016 - Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational ...
www.birdinabiplane.com/usa2016/>

has a diagram of the route. There is a leg Grand Rapids to Phoenix (Arizona). Can't find air distance, but must be around 250 mi, well in range of a PT-17 (on which I trained with the US Army Air Corps, at Carlstrom Field in Florida). So why go off-route to Winslow (4941 amsl) instead of to Phoenix (1160 amsl), when you're faced with a hot, high and heavy takeoff next day ? Doesn't make sense.

They were lucky the fuel didn't go up in the prang.

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As far as I know she has only ever done flypasts. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on her Shuttleworth and Duxford displays?
A fly past display is still a display. Tracey has flown privately owned aeroplanes such as her Ryan PT22 in displays both solo and in formation displays. She has flown these displays at both Duxford and Shuttleworth. However, despite Ewald's claims on his website, she has never been a Shuttleworth Collection pilot, and has never flown any of the Collection aeroplanes.
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27/09

Your suspicions are correct. A thoroughly nice and decent guy as well by all accounts.

My flippant jokey remark about an award was just that. Although anyone having had to put up with her type of unscrupulous behaviour deserves an award IMHO.

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"despite Ewald's claims on his website, she has never been a Shuttleworth Collection pilot, and has never flown any of the Collection aeroplanes."


Hmmm. Are they Ewald's claims? I suspect that is what she has told him. Evidence here is that most who come into contact with her takes what she says verbatim.
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Flying Legends 2011 Participants by type and owner/operator

North American P-51 Mustangs

P-51D-20 Mustang 44-63864 – Commanche Fighters
P-51D-25 Mustang 44-72917 – Air Fighter Academy
P-51D-25 Mustang 44-73149 – Old Flying Machine Company
TF-51D-25 Mustang 44-73871 – Max Alpha Aviation
P-51D-30 Mustang 44-74391 – Commanche Fighters
P-51D-30 Mustang 44-74427 – SNC SDPA
TF-51D-25 Mustang 44-84847 – The Fighter Collection

Vickers-Supermarine Spitfires

Spitfire IA AR213 – Spitfire the One Ltd
Spitfire F VB BM597 – Historic Aircraft Collection
Spitfire F VB EP120 – The Fighter Collection
Spitfire HF VIII MV154 – Max Alpha Aviation
Spitfire LF IXC MH434 – The Old Flying Machine Company
Spitfire FR XIVE MV293 – The Fighter Collection
Spitfire LF XVIE TD248 – Aircraft Restoration Company
Spitfire PR XIX PS890 – Spitfire Warbirds

Curtiss Hawks

Hawk 75 No 82 – The Fighter Collection
P-40B 41-13297 – The Fighter Collection
P-40F Warhawk 41-19841 – The Fighter Collection
P-40N Warhawk 42-105915 – SNC SDPA

Vought F4U Corsairs

F4U-4 BuNo 96995 – The Flying Bulls
F4U-7 BuNo 124541 – Max Alpha Aviation

CASA HA-112-M1L Buchóns

HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-31 – Richard Lake
HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-102 – Aircraft Restoration Company
HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-169 – Air Fighter Academy

Douglas AD-4 Skyraiders

AD-4NA Skyraider BuNo 124143 – AJBS
AD-4NA Skyraider BuNo 126933 – Kennet Aviation
AD-4N Skyraider BuNo 127002 – Vega Team/Skyraider Avignon

Douglas C-47/C-53

C-53D 42-68823 (11750/LN-WND) – Foundation Dakota Norway
C-47B 44-77020 (16604/F-AZOX) – Association Normandie

Hawker Fury/Sea Furies

Fury ISS 37514 – Mistral Warbirds
Sea Fury T 20 VX281 – Royal Navy Historic Flight
Sea Fury T 20 WG655 – The Fighter Collection
Sea Fury FB 11 ‘WH589’ – Spitfire Warbirds

Hawker Nimrods

Nimrod I S1581 – The Fighter Collection
Nimrod II K3661 – Historic Aircraft Collection

Fokker Dr I Replicas

Dr I G-Fokk – Paul Ford
Dr I G-CDXR – John Day
Dr I SE-XXZ – Mikael Carlson

de Havilland Dragons/Dragon Rapide

DH 84 Dragon I G-ECAN – Norman Aeroplane Trust
DH 84 Dragon I EI-ABI – Aer Lingus
DH 89A Dragon Rapide G-AGJG – de Havilland Support

Beech D17 Staggerwing/UC-43 Traveller

UC-43 Traveller BuNo 23689 – The Fighter Collection
D17 Staggerwing N295BS – Edwin Boschoff

Other Participants

Hurricane XII RCAF 5711 – Historic Aircraft Collection
Ju 52/3mg2e Wk-Nr 5489 – Lufthansa Traditionsflug
Swordfish II LS326 – Royal Navy Historic Flight
Nieuport 17 replica G-BWMJ – R Gauld-Galliers/M Larcombe
Hind ‘K5414’ – The Shuttleworth Trust
Demon K8203 – Demon Displays
Lancaster B I PA474 – Battle of Britain Memorial Flight
Morane D-3801 J-143 – Mobile Air Services
B-17G-105 Flying Fortress 44-85784 – B-17 Preservation
CASA 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann G-BSAJ – Pete Kynsey
CASA ES-1 (Bü 133) Jungmeister G-BUTX – John Brander
Yak-9UM 0470406 – Paul Boschung
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TCT's appearance at Duxford in 2011 was not Flying Legends but at the earlier May airshow when I believe she flew her PT-22. A number of other women pilots also flew displays at the show.
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Duxford Spring Air Show Line up 2011

Ryan PT-22 Pair T Curtis-Taylor & S Roberts T
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