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Old 16th Oct 2018, 01:49
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it was the bit between the throttle lever and the seat
Amen, and neither of the occupants had watched the video.

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Old 16th Oct 2018, 13:17
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I am no longer a pilot but have been following this thread for a while as I think it shows an interesting manipulation of the media, particularly wikipedia and urge anyone who has not done so to read the talk page of her wiki (just select the talk tab at the top of the page) to see how information has been ruthlessly suppressed.
Anyone who has done media training will know that when talking to the media you never actually answer the questions unless you want to - instead you should use the opportunity to say the things that you want to say. If really pressed then you need to have some “lines to take” which everyone in your team (if you have one) regurgitates ad nauseam.
As the saga has unfolded it is becoming clearer that the following are some of her “lines to take”.
Q) Wasn’t the trip supposed to be solo?
A) There was always going to be a support team and another aircraft to do the filming - I was never going to do this on my own. (Note this answer doesn’t answer the question at all !)
Q) You have been pictured by a slide at a presentation stating that you were alone in a cockpit when you weren’t.
A) The slide doesn’t refer to my flight but that of lady Heath.
Q) You have been filmed saying your flight was solo .
A) A slip of the tongue .
As some of these lines are better than others you should spend as much time as possible talking about the strong ones and as little time as possible on the weak ones.
When you start looking it is easy to see how “fake news” is spread - modern media is incredibly susceptible to manipulation and even if you can see it being done it is next to impossible to correct it - again see the wiki talk page.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 14:43
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Her Wikipedia page is indeed farcical and I think knowledgeable people have long since given up trying to change it. What I find strange is that for every question you showed, there is cast-iron evidence from numerous sources showing the actual truth - the slip of the tongue that was actually two (very confidently stated) slips of the tongue. The archived pages from her Facebook account and website along with hundreds of interviews (including one with pilotweb) where she either states she is going (or went solo) or, she does not dispel the statement. The picture of her accepting an award which has solo written on it and of course, the slide which is so obviously her trip even though she still uses the lamest of explanations to try and rid herself of it..
Yet....show all that to some people and they would prefer to believe C-T is the one being wronged. Whether it's because they don't wish to admit they have been hoodwinked or the shutters have come down, I don't know. What I do know is that in the end, as Mr Armstrong found out, cheats never prosper. The problem is, they hurt other more deserving people along the way and that alone is why C-T should not get away with this deceit.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 15:02
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modern media is incredibly susceptible to manipulation
I have occasional involvement with modern media (aviation related and otherwise). My view is that very few in the industry, including those who specialise in a particular field, have much understanding of any technical detail or feel for whether or not an interviewee is telling the truth or attempting to manipulate. All the writer is interested in is whether they can take anything away from it and produce an article of a pre-ordained word count and if there's anything the slightest bit provocative or sensational, all the better. The press (and other media) used to be a mechanism for communicating news and selling advertising whereas today it's nothing more than an inexpensive marketing tool for those seeking greater exposure outside of their normal coverage. Most people who read about this sort of thing couldn't care less, 'today's news, tomorrows fish and chip paper' etc., and on the whole, I'd say most writers couldn't care either. There's practically never any follow up to 'a story' or published item and frankly I suspect little appetite for it and to a certain extent, that has worked in the favour of this individual - most of what you read about her is 'new' i.e. not reporting but simply regurgitating what is fed to the press by her marketing agency/people/person. Did the Times follow up the story I believe they published concerning the LAA and removal of the Bill Woodham Trophy with a bit of insightful investigative journalism? No, of course not, there was always going to be something more interesting to write about, hence her story about being a victim of prejudice from male pilots in September. I'd be very surprised if the writer approached her for that first. Besides, she thinks she's establishment doesn't she? Different rules and all that.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 15:06
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
Tracey continues to issue denials about previous claims while still publishing this on her wiki entry.

Now unless she has a Russian licence I must assume she was just a passenger and not a crew member.

Sadly the backstory is littered with such illusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracey_Curtis-Taylor
I can guarantee that you cannot act as a crew member on a Russian registered aircraft without a Russian licence and medical. In the video below she says she is waiting in Kiev for the AN2 to arrive so she could join the aircraft, probably because she would not have been allowed onboard while in Russia.


Quoted from her own website.
Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker

This picture among the other pictures of the Russian AN2 going to Cape Town is an AN2 that is described on her own website Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker as "Tracey piloting an AN2 in Hungary on a training flight in 2012" but it is conveniently placed giving the impression she was flying the Russian AN2.



I think her logbook would make very interesting reading.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 15:42
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Tracey is rather keen on having her photograph taken, but the photo of her behind the controls of the AN2 doesn't mean that she can fly it ........... any more than the Facebook photo of her straddling a Royal Enfield means that she can ride a motorbike.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 15:54
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I have a picture somewhere of me sitting in an F1 car.
When asked if I drove it I can simply say " I was trying to emulate Lewis Hamilton" ; my F1 knowledgeable friends will know I did not drive it, but the less knowledgeable will go away BELIEVING I did.

Let's see what Sunday brings unless of course more tales of deception, news pieces or radio interviews come to light. I have faith that the LAA will make the right decision for the right reasons.
I am certainly looking forward to the next film - wonder if we'll get a mention in the closing credits.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 18:02
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Originally Posted by B70 View Post
Tracey is rather keen on having her photograph taken, but the photo of her behind the controls of the AN2 doesn't mean that she can fly it ........... any more than the Facebook photo of her straddling a Royal Enfield means that she can ride a motorbike.
The reason I mentioned in my post above that her logbook could making interesting reading would be to clarify if and how she had logged any flying hours in the Russian registered AN2.

Because not only would she need to hold a Russian licence and medical to start thinking about flying one, she would also need an AN2 type rating as under the Russian rules an AN2 is actually a two crew certified aircraft, unless of course one of the Russian pilots was an instructor and she logged anything as P/UT but would need to hold that Russian licence to be under instruction.
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Old 16th Oct 2018, 20:10
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TCT allegations of trolling on PPRUNE


TCT has alleged I am part of some sort of conspiracy with Sam Rutherford.

I have never met or spoken to Sam although we have exchanged emails.

As Tracey feels she needs to out me on the LAA forum I have asked the PPRuNe mods to change my ID to my real name and backdate it to the start of all my threads.

I do not want to be accused of trolling.

My real name is Mike Flynn. A journalist and broadcaster of 45 years plus and PPL who has done some serious long distance flying.

I also happened to freelance for Flyer magazine as their news editor for a few years in the early part of this century.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 06:32
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So there you have it folks.No answers due to what appears to a perceived notion about forum text limitations, so if you really want to hear the straight dope on the flights directly from the horses mouth, you have to buy the book. Get your £19.95 out!

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by Tracey Curtis-Taylor » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:01 am

Here are the reasons why I’m not answering insistent questions about my flights.
1. There is too much to say for a chat forum. They’re a chapter in the book when I finish it.
2. Anyone who can’t wait could contact me, although it does seem that the obsessive few don’t seek answers, but rather fuel for their indignation.
3. They are irrelevant to the 2018 motions, which in different ways seek to redress the irrelevance of the 2016 motion. Even if I were the self-promoting charlatan that some think I am, there was absolutely no evidence that this brought the LAA ‘into disrepute’. I did not solicit the 2014 Woodhams Award (relating to one flight only) and – though honoured to receive it – I did not promote myself on the back of either the award or of my membership of the LAA. Whatever they thought (if anything) of me, neither the general public nor the aviation world thought any differently about the LAA. The only people shouting about it were Sam Rutherford and his associates. The premise of the 2016 motion was nonsense and The LAA Board was unwise to blunder into a campaign of what was – dress it up as you may – personal vilification."
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 18:22
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Yes, says Janet. I think I do…and please call me Lieutenant Commander Janet.
I know this will seem like I am being picky, but...

She calls herself, Commander.

Anyone in the RN looking for a similar promotion should take note, you just give it to yourself, regardless of what the Admiralty have to say about it.

She's had since July 2016 to fix this, and still not done so.



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Old 17th Oct 2018, 19:34
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Just a typo Airpolice, I bet the book will be full of them.

I am looking forward to the book, hopefully it will answer some of the many queries I have listed over the years.
Hopefully it will detail all the little anomalies we have found over the years. Like the little diversion into Baragwanath to drop Ewald off so you could fly into the press-packed airfield on your own, will it explain why Ewald wasn't with you when leaving Farnborough but you met up with him not long after over in France - out of sight of the cameras? Will it explain why weeks later you chose to continue from Indonesia without your chase plane which you say was impounded but Ewald says it had ended its task and was returning home? As a matter of interest why was it impounded? Will it explain some past history? ie why you have left various places under a cloud (the metaphorical type not the literal fluffy ones because you don't fly IFR). Hopefully it will be littered with great images of all the warbird aircraft you have displayed in and the military pilots that trained you so well (I may know some of them ;-) )

Should make for good reading.

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Old 17th Oct 2018, 19:45
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In the meantime, somebody else is trying to get to Australia, and may be worth watching...

http://gb-nz.com/
Thanks for that link, Genghis. It's really quite exemplary and is highly relevant to this topic.

It is so refreshing to see that a light aircraft really can be flown SOLO, long distance, without lies and without any cheatery.

Solo, in this context, means one person aboard the aircraft, one pilot.

Very different to the mendacity and ego-pumping of the near-fraudulent commercial hype of Curtis-Taylor.

Also, interesting that the G-GBNZ flight makes no big deal about whether the pilot is male or female. 90 years ago that was a big deal. In the 21st century it just ain't.

Also interesting to see that those promoting the thing as promoting STEM actually are genuinely qualified in Science, Technology Engineering and Mathematics. Again, very different to Curtis-Taylor. In her scheme the only person with STEM qualifications was systematically airbrushed out of the scene on all three of her charades.

Edited to add that:
It's also notable that Wing Commanders Pote and Gatland don't posture themselves as Group Captains and Squadron Leader Landy doesn't pose as a Wing Commander. They're just not the type of people who would do such a thing.

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Old 17th Oct 2018, 20:37
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I don’t think the GB-NZ flight is being promoted as a solo effort - Media coverage states that Wg Cdr Pote will be Captain with other members of the team sharing sections of the flight. Their website is also pretty clear with a whole page on the team and who’s involved for each section.

Nevertheless quite an undertaking with some impressively long overwater legs.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 23:52
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Worth listening to. A recent interview,

Not knowing the back story this is a very entertaining and passionate interview, very convincing.

Obviously the pre-chat off air must have had the warning "don't mention solo. "

It is very easy to see why so many have been taken in.

Listen and be educated. https://soundcloud.com/user-603229904/women-making-waves-tracey-curtis-taylor
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Winslow, @09:20. “We found garbage in the carburettor”.

Who is “we” and how come the NTSB missed it? In fact, they said there was no evidence of fuel contamination.

In describing the Winslow crash I thought she was going to fess up when she started to explain density height. But no, she couldn’t quite bring herself to mention the obvious and went with the engine suddenly losing power. That FBO owner must be chewing his desk.
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Winslow, @09:20. “We found garbage in the carburettor”.
Well... it is possible to have garbage in the carburettor which is not fuel contamination. That's invariably a maintenance issue, I wonder of the maintainer of the aircraft was asked about it?

That said, if Tracey was a part of the "we", I hope that the NTSB was another part of the we, or what were Tracey and her "we" doing taking apart an accident carburettor outside the participation of the NTSB? Presuming that the NTSB were a part of the "we", would they have seen the garbage too? I would think that they would have mentioned if they had...
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Women Making Waves features women who each play a positive part in shaping our society and are at the forefront of empowering change.

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Ever fancied flying off into the sunset in your own biplane? Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor has done just that and thrills us with her escapades;

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 01:50
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Originally Posted by Above The Clouds View Post
I can guarantee that you cannot act as a crew member on a Russian registered aircraft without a Russian licence and medical. In the video below she says she is waiting in Kiev for the AN2 to arrive so she could join the aircraft, probably because she would not have been allowed onboard while in Russia.

https://youtu.be/_5eo4C_QYrc

Quoted from her own website.
Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker

This picture among the other pictures of the Russian AN2 going to Cape Town is an AN2 that is described on her own website Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker as "Tracey piloting an AN2 in Hungary on a training flight in 2012" but it is conveniently placed giving the impression she was flying the Russian AN2.



I think her logbook would make very interesting reading.
Tracey was the Execujet second co-pilot on the AN2.
http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/real-economy-report-2013-03-20/rep_id:4433

In the video the AN2 flight was a practice run for her solo flight from Cape to Cambridge

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 02:08
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Given the in-exactitude of TC-T's use of the English language the question remains, was she legally a co-pilot?
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