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Old 20th Feb 2017, 03:41
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I doubt that a newly qualified PPL could do it.
Why not? Here is a chap who flew around the world VFR in a homebuilt aircraft and having only 250 hours total at the commencement of the trip. A little bit more than a newbie PPL admittedly, but still.


Then there are the people of diverse backgrounds in a diverse range of aircraft types who participated in the 1969 and 2001 air races from the UK to Australia.

One thing all the people had in common was, no reward, no fame, only personal satisfaction. Save the race winner receiving a trophy.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 03:54
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Terry, you wrote
"I recognise that the handling of the media (who always get it wrong) was poor, and that she failed to correct things when the word "solo" appeared. It was not a solo flight and she has expressed her regrets that people were misled."

It was not just the media handling that was poor. She herself has deliberately misled people by saying her flights were solo. You and she cannot just blame the media for getting it wrong when she herself has claimed on different occasions that the flights were solo.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 04:16
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It was her PR machine and sponsors who were pumping out the solo bit as well. Boeing still are, but I see Artemis seem to have washed their hands of her, absolutely no mention to be found on their web site.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 04:24
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Terry, I personally appreciate your contribution to this and other threads and have the impression you are a vastly experienced airman. What I can't get my head around is your statement that "she did the flying" and as such, I presume in your view, accomplished something of distinction. Years ago as a freshly minted PPL I flew left seat in a spam can from Southern California to New Jersey with a low hour flight instructor right seat. I manipulated the controls,dialed in and tracked the NDB's and VOR's, made the radio calls, and handled almost all the take-offs and landings. Over beers after the journey the FI asked if I thought I could have completed the flight (dare I say it) solo? Still on a high after touching down after a long journey I said "yes no problem". He said then why did he have to make the judgement calls when we were approaching a line of thunderstorms outside Pampa Tx. And when we arrived over Oklahoma above the clouds why did he have to decide an SVFR approach was the best option? And when I couldn't find the Cincinnati airfield at night no matter how much vectoring I received, why did he have to locate it?

What I'm saying is "I flew the plane" but as you know there is a whole bunch more to completing a flight safely and successfully or to even contemplate making a long flight. So a claim to have "flown the plane" doesn't amount to much and yes a freshly minted PPL could have done what Tracey did, I suspect a student pilot with 20 hours would have done alright also.

Twenty odd years later and with similar hours and certifications as Tracey I am planning another transcontinental flight of about 2300 miles in a 180 hp taildragger. It's a daunting prospect and has gotten me all nervous as hell because I will be conducting the flight solo. So I'll be doing the weather, flight planning, and the toughest task of them all making decisions and judgement calls, the "flying the plane" part is a no brainer.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 04:27
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Gary Numan flew G-NMAN around the world not long after getting his PPL.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 05:31
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop View Post
So Terry, would TCT have been accepted into the ATA do you think? You had to be a bit more than just a jolly super gel with royal connections.
Yes she would.

Actually she has more flying hours and experience than many who joined the ATA, and actually if you really want to be bitchy, most of the females got in through their connections. Amy was an exception who got in through experience - which was less than TCTs .


I am here as me. Nobody "orders me in".

I am not picking on Amy Johnson for whom I have a high regard!
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 05:53
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Ah, OK. so those women in the ATA were just using their connections to have a bit of jolly fun during the war. Did you know they accepted mere men into the ATA aka Ancient and Tattered Airmen...pilots unfit for combat but still able to fly safely.

I'm not the one being bitchy, but I am one of many professional pilots who happen to be female who find this Walt's shenanigans in the name of "inspiring women" actually far more sexist than any silly remarks like "make us some coffee luv while we wait for the pilot to arrive" that I have had to laugh off over the years.

My 25 year flying career career was made possible after winning a scholarship in Amy Johnson's name. To win I had to research her life very thoroughly long before the days of google and wiki. But if those are your only sources then perhaps that would explain the ridiculous comparisons.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:04
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Just a reminder Terry that after weeks of silence on this thread it was this that made my blood boil and made me post again.

Seriously? 178 pages of whining and bitching from a bunch of blokes about a woman doing something impressive? Haven't you lot got something better to do? Like, plan your own flight around the world?

Yes I have got better things to do such as training the next generation of pilots like I have for the last 25 years, which is something I can contribute to aviation that has a real outcome. I'm only impressed by people who have achieved something new or for the greater good of humanity. Can you name one single person who is now a professional pilot who hadn't even considered aviation before seeing TCT speak? Just one will do.

Put me down as much as you like Terry, my criticism is of what TCT has said and done, I have not met her, so none of it is personal.

"bitchy" is the sort of word used a lot at the all-girls school I went to. It somehow doesn't seem right coming from a man. I think TCT could be closer than we think.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:26
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I have said before it appears that she has issues with flying alone cross country.

She was at Portsmouth and Hull last year and chose to drive despite CAVOK.

Sam Rutherford witnessed this first hand in Africa when Ewald first climbed in to the front seat after a couple of legs. I doubt she could have delivered aircraft in typical British weather during WW2.

Apart from Donald Crowhurst and the Teighmouth Electron I cannot find another long distance adventurer who has fooled the media to such a great extent.

The illusion continues on her wiki entry.
With her aeroplane, the Boeing-Stearman "Spirit of Artemis", she was on static display at the Royal International Air Tattoo and the RNAS Yeovilton Air Days in 2013, 2014 and 2015, at the Goodwood Revival / Glorious Goodwood in 2014, at the 2015 Dubai Airshow and the 2014 and 2016 Farnborough International Airshow.
In other words she stood beside it which hardly warrants any sort of mention.

She seems to think no one will notice the lies.

This is still on her Bird In a Biplane site.
To complete her circumnavigation of the world, Tracey
will now be flying the historic US airmail route from
Seattle to Boston in May 2016.

Circumnavigation of the world?

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Old 20th Feb 2017, 06:55
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Amy was an exception who got in through experience - which was less than TCTs .

I thought Amy Johnson had completed a SOLO flight from the UK to Australia?
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 07:45
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
AJ was a First Officer in the ATA at a time when it was under the administrative control of RAF Maintenance Command. I think therefore, you'll find most people would suggest that the little part you decided to pick out from a wider piece about an amazing woman is better described as 'not quite correct'.

However, this is an example of 'Not true': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw
NO! She was not an RAF pilot. That is quite correct!
As normal Mr Holloway, you've been selective about your response to me and others. Take the video above, I don't think it's covered by your statement:
I recognise that the handling of the media (who always get it wrong) was poor, and that she failed to correct things when the word "solo" appeared. It was not a solo flight and she has expressed her regrets that people were misled.
No Mr Holloway, she expressed her regrets that she didn't correct the media 'because I can't do everything'. In other words, blame, blame everyone else. The video isn't the media or the press, it's T-CT directly lying to a group of people - twice in a few minutes. Care to comment on the video only?
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 07:50
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Terry Holloway - They took their time to do outreach work en route encouraging women into aviation, and making a film to encourage young people into aviation.
I have been scouring the web for evidence of this and have found one event in Pakistan.

Was it a visit to the underprivileged - nope.
Was it a visit to an ordinary school - try again.
Was it a visit to a normal higher education estasblishment - not quite.
Was it a visit to a private school for the children of the rich establishment - bingo !
Was it carefully and expensively stage managed - of course !

The tall chap with the beard looks rather familiar, wasn't he also photographed in Sydney ?


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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:01
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Gary Numan flew G-NMAN around the world not long after getting his PPL.
I believe Gary was accompanied by Bob Thompson.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:34
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Of course, you could always follow the link and see who and what was the occasion. I have no truck in supporting any of the nonsense that surrounds this appalling junket by a publicity seeking pilot who deserves all that comes their way, but for goodness sake stop going off on pointless tangents which only allow the likes of Mr Holloway to avoid the main issues.

It was with great warmth and fanfare that 2,500 students of Dawood Public School and students from different government schools welcomed Tracey Curtis-Taylor, solo biplane pilot, when she visited the Dawood Public School on the 18th of November, 2015 in Karachi.

Pakistan’s own hero, Samina Baig, the first Pakistani woman to climb Mount Everest was also present at the occasion and students were waiting eagerly to meet both these inspirational women.

Tracey Curtis was visiting Pakistan for a short period of 2 days as part of her 14-week long journey from Britain to Australia. She will be covering a distance of 13,000 miles in her 1942 Boeing Stearman Spirit and recreating the historic journey of Amy Johnson, the first female pilot who completed the journey in 1930.

The students were dressed in traditional clothing representing all the provinces of the nation to give her a feel of Pakistan’s diversity and some were even wearing fully constructed airplane models!

Prince Nikolaos of Greece accompanied Tracy and the guests were greeted with dhol music upon their arrival which celebrated by not only speaking with her but by presenting her with tokens of appreciation and best wishes for her travels ahead.

See some images from Tracy’s visit here:

The students were first addressed first by Samina Baig, a symbol of women empowerment in Pakistan saying “I am overjoyed to be standing here in front of all of you today and to have the chance to meet Tracey Curtis. I want each of you to know that you can make your mark in the world if you set your hearts and minds to it. Don’t let anyone stop you from achieving what you set out to do in your journey in life.”

She spoke to the eager audience telling them that it had been her dream to climb Mount Everest in 2013 and wanted to place the flag on the summit commemorating Pakistan’s 60th Anniversary. It took 42 days in a tent in adverse conditions but as a Pakistani woman she proved that our women face hurdles and are capable of doing more than others. She then climbed 7 other summits with her brother (he didn’t climb Everest with her to give her the opportunity to prove that women are as capable as men) in the next 8 months and became the first Pakistani to climb 7 summits in 7 countries.

Tracey Curtis was overwhelmed by the warm response she received in Pakistan and was taking back fond memories with her.

Welcoming Tracey Curtis-Taylor and Samina Baig, Sabrina Dawood, CEO Dawood Foundation, said: “We are honored to have the opportunity to welcome Tracey and Samina at Dawood Public School and to have them interact with our students. These women are true symbols of women empowerment and representatives of what women can achieve in today’s world.”

Engro Corporation’s Chairman, Hussain Dawood while addressing the students, Tracey Curtis and Samina Baig said: “Samina Baig and Tracey Curtis are an epitome of women empowerment. They are role models for females around the world. We are pleased to welcome them here today and wish them our support and the very best for their future journeys.”

Disclaimer: The views expressed solely belong to the writer and does not necessarily imply brandsynario’s opinion towards an individual, organization or a group.


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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:41
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Exactly, not so much "outreach", more like another corporate junket.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:49
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The pictures and text for the orchestrated school visit were published on Brandsynario,one of Pakistan's interactive advertising, media and marketing portals.

It was paid for marketing.

So who wrote these words?
It was with great warmth and fanfare that 2,500 students of Dawood Public School and students from different government schools welcomed Tracey Curtis-Taylor, solo biplane pilot, when she visited the Dawood Public School on the 18th of November, 2015 in Karachi.
The solo word keeps cropping up everywhere.
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 08:51
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In other words she stood beside
She certainly didn't at Farnborough. I was there all week last year, and although her aeroplane was there and she was seen on site briefly, she certainly wasn't seen standing by the aircraft talking to the public, any more than she was seen engaging with any science and careers outreach.

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Wow I never thought would see someone on PPRuNe dismiss the ATA pilots as people who merely had got in because of "connections".
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The Thread that keeps on giving! The TC-T saga has actually managed to irritate some authentic female pilots. Including me, though not until today enough to add my two pence.

I have written about Flying Women, and included the following noteworthy pilots:

1. Sophie Blanchard, the first woman to fly solo - in Jean Pierre Blanchard's balloon after he suffered a heart attack in 1809, fell from his balloon and died.
Sophie kept on flying it, to make money, and large crowds came to watch all over Europe, including Napoleon, and King Louis XVIII. Fireworks used in her display ignited the hydrogen gas in 1819, and Sophie was killed, age 42.

2. Harriet Quimby, the first woman to gain a US pilot license, flew from Dover to Calais in a Bleriot monoplane, on April 16, 1912. Alas, the Titanic had encountered an iceberg the day before, so her exploit was disregarded by the media....

3. Amy Johnson, an engineer and a solo pilot, flew her Gypsy Moth G-AAAH from Croydon to Australia, departing the UK on 5th May 1930, and arriving in Darwin on May 24. She carried on flying all over the world, and while serving in the Air Transport Auxiliary was flying in poor viz with no navaids whatsoever, became lost and was killed in the Thames Estuary, caught in the propellors of a ship that was attempting to rescue her.

4. Ann Welch, OBE, was also delivering routinely for the ATA Tiger Moths, Hurricane and Spitfire fighters, and Blenheim twin-engined bombers. In 1942 Amy flew a Spitfire just before the birth of her first daughter, and by the end of the war her logbook listed 150 aircraft types. She carried on flying at London Gliding Club, was a founder of Lasham Gliding Club,and after a full and happy life passed away in 2002.

5. Marina Raskova founded the Night Witches, Soviet women who flew obsolete wooden biplanes that could carry only two bombs on a mission.
They made rest impossible for the German troops, targeting camps, supply depots, rear bases. The Witches would fly very low, close to the targets, cut the engines, drop their bombs and fly away, top speed only 94 mph.

6. Hanna Reitsch was born in 1912, in Hirscheberg, Silesia, which is now Jelenia Gora in Poland. The first female helicopter pilot, she flew a Focke-Achgelis FA61 every day of the three week International Auto Show INSIDE the exhibition hall! She flew many of Germany's latest designs during the war, including the rocket-propelled Me163 Komet in 1943, which crashed on her fifth test flight. Hanna was badly injured and spent five months in hosital, and was awarded the Iron Cross First Class. She went on after recovery to test the V-1 rocket for manned flight. After the war Hanna went back to glider flying, became German champion in 1955, and set many records. She died on 24 August, 1979.

In most of Europe, Asia and America, women can fly aircraft, serve in the military, head up corporations and become a Prime Minister.

But until some very strange and unnecessary scientific advances take place, women still have to do the childbearing. It is not easy to combine raising a family with a career in aviation....
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Old 20th Feb 2017, 09:57
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That last comment Mary, is just a tad old fashioned. Childbearing needs to take a woman out of a workplace for a few months, and a cockpit for maybe 8 months. Raising a family can be done by any decent adult.

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