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Here you go again......... you dont read very well. These failures are from people I know. Not just from a course. But of course you wouldn't know....you have never been.
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You are quite correct, they are not that little in terms of single human engine cranes
But on the scale of engines they are a great little/Big engine. I don't own one, but fly a few of them from time to time and I must say what a great little powerplant they are. And the IO320 is even better! 
Although a bit rare.
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Seems the name calling has started, and that about does it for me. Science and fact never trumps some things.
I think I have worked it out, this is the ab initio max 160HP No need to make it any more complex forum. No wonder the specialised forums thrive so well.
Cee Yaa, Jaba going No Coms No need to waste a reply.
DAR
You are quite correct, they are not that little in terms of single human engine cranes
But on the scale of engines they are a great little/Big engine. I don't own one, but fly a few of them from time to time and I must say what a great little powerplant they are. And the IO320 is even better! Although a bit rare.BPF
Seems the name calling has started, and that about does it for me. Science and fact never trumps some things.
I think I have worked it out, this is the ab initio max 160HP No need to make it any more complex forum. No wonder the specialised forums thrive so well.
Cee Yaa, Jaba going No Coms
No need to waste a reply.
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Seems the name calling has started, and that about does it for me.
the local aero club or flight school who know nothing
Anyone who argues otherwise, is simply wrong, they are entitled to be wrong, but just don't follow their blind ignorance, your family will appreciate your vigilance.
Education in flying schools, dummed down, full of Old Wives Tales, resistant to change to data based facts, and taught by 200 hour pilots who know nothing about flying more than to pass an exam, which are often full of the above problems as well.
I am not going to debate point by point here, if I did I would spend hours and hours and still not get the message across.
What drugs are you on man?
I think you tried to be a smart a$$ with your previous "waste of bandwidth" comments on "code for not knowing what I was talking about"
debate how it works with a bunch of flat earthers, holocaust deniers and whatever other descriptions for non believing folk there are
You lot are so bigoted that you believe that everyone else should take your word as gospel and others do not deserve that privilege also.
If you really knew your stuff, you would know the exact model I refer. I am not saying you do not know stuff, but clearly there you are talking out your.. again.
As for the rest of the manuals, the manufacturers are either too lazy, too incompetent or just do not want to admit they got it wrong.
It is about time you came out of the dark ages, circa mid 80's and stopped being so hard of learning.
Flying schools, hangar talk, and PPRuNe have not educated even the very well experienced and qualified folk.
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Hmmm?
If I could wave a magic wand which miraculously transported everyone writing on these forums into one large room sitting behind their laptops facing each other I have no doubts there would be some very red faces.
It is the nature of anonymous internet forums that people will act differently to one another than they would do face to face.
Text itself can be misunderstood or taken the wrong way.
With something like aviation which is often ego based real world put it into an anonymous forum and there is bound to be sniping, willy waving and hurt egos.
I have met quite a lot of posters off these forums and most have become good friends real world.
Networking is so important for getting opportunities not just in commercial flying but also private flying and if used correctly the forum gives golden opportunities of meeting up with some of the posters who are anonymous but who then can become good real world friends.
As for banning? We all loose our rag sometimes or take things the wrong way and make defensive comments even if they are sometimes attacking comments.
The genuine troll for me is someone who hunts through the internet taking delight and excitement from others hurt and posts to encourage that.
It is a form of bullying akin to the classroom bullying and that should not be tolerated.
Pace
If I could wave a magic wand which miraculously transported everyone writing on these forums into one large room sitting behind their laptops facing each other I have no doubts there would be some very red faces.
It is the nature of anonymous internet forums that people will act differently to one another than they would do face to face.
Text itself can be misunderstood or taken the wrong way.
With something like aviation which is often ego based real world put it into an anonymous forum and there is bound to be sniping, willy waving and hurt egos.
I have met quite a lot of posters off these forums and most have become good friends real world.
Networking is so important for getting opportunities not just in commercial flying but also private flying and if used correctly the forum gives golden opportunities of meeting up with some of the posters who are anonymous but who then can become good real world friends.
As for banning? We all loose our rag sometimes or take things the wrong way and make defensive comments even if they are sometimes attacking comments.
The genuine troll for me is someone who hunts through the internet taking delight and excitement from others hurt and posts to encourage that.
It is a form of bullying akin to the classroom bullying and that should not be tolerated.
Pace
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Exhaust failures in turbocharged engines which have resulted in catastrophic in flight fires has been an issue in the past and resulted in a AD mandating continuing exhaust system inspections for all Cessna turbocharged twins.
Pace
You are right about the internet perhaps allowing people to say things that they would never say face to face. As for what it takes to be a troll, well I think Jabowacky met the test, not because he questioned my competency ( my wife does that all the time
), but rather he made several posts along the lines of
"Here is a question, I won't tell you what I think is the answer, you post what you think and then I will pronounce on it worthiness"
When posters do this it is clearly to bait the audience into a reply whereby they can publicly humiliate them by rubbishing the poster. These posts only purpose is to attack and disrupt the thread narrative so that the originator gets an ego boost. That IMO is trolling and jabawocky was doing it.
I think Peter337 is right, unlike many trolls, I think jabowacky probably does have the knowledge and experience to provide real value to this forum but as long as his attitude is "I am right, you are wrong, I don't have to explain myself and no discussion is necessary or desired" then him going NORDO is a good thing
You are right about the internet perhaps allowing people to say things that they would never say face to face. As for what it takes to be a troll, well I think Jabowacky met the test, not because he questioned my competency ( my wife does that all the time
), but rather he made several posts along the lines of"Here is a question, I won't tell you what I think is the answer, you post what you think and then I will pronounce on it worthiness"
When posters do this it is clearly to bait the audience into a reply whereby they can publicly humiliate them by rubbishing the poster. These posts only purpose is to attack and disrupt the thread narrative so that the originator gets an ego boost. That IMO is trolling and jabawocky was doing it.
I think Peter337 is right, unlike many trolls, I think jabowacky probably does have the knowledge and experience to provide real value to this forum but as long as his attitude is "I am right, you are wrong, I don't have to explain myself and no discussion is necessary or desired" then him going NORDO is a good thing
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I am not taking sides so its just an observation! I was very heavily involved in flight simulator addon companies a few years ago.
We had one poster on a FS forum who professed to be a 747 Captain. He posted with absolute authority in detail which left me floundering in the water
Until he made a couple of major mistakes which had us all questioning the authenticity of this so called 747 Captain.
He turned out to be a 12 year old kid with excellent googling abilities.
There are people who post here for all manner of reasons some genuine some blown up their abilities , some not!
Some are known to others here as genuine.
But in any anonymous forum you do not really know who you are talking to.
There are people I have met and some I would love to meet (you included) as the depth of their knowledge and experience would mean I would find them interesting to talk with and I too learn a lot from some of the members here.
But it is part of the nature of the animal to treat internet forums with caution and the posters with extra caution.
We had one poster called Guppy who was amazing in his detail and authority! You dare not cross him for fear of public castigation.
He always won an argument.
He was banned and the forum lost his detail of knowledge wherever that came from!
I often wondered how real he was!
Genuine Trolls yes ban them but others give them slack.
Jabawoky??? he has more posts than me here and my instincts give him some slack
Pace
I am not taking sides so its just an observation! I was very heavily involved in flight simulator addon companies a few years ago.
We had one poster on a FS forum who professed to be a 747 Captain. He posted with absolute authority in detail which left me floundering in the water
Until he made a couple of major mistakes which had us all questioning the authenticity of this so called 747 Captain.He turned out to be a 12 year old kid with excellent googling abilities.
There are people who post here for all manner of reasons some genuine some blown up their abilities , some not!
Some are known to others here as genuine.
But in any anonymous forum you do not really know who you are talking to.
There are people I have met and some I would love to meet (you included) as the depth of their knowledge and experience would mean I would find them interesting to talk with and I too learn a lot from some of the members here.
But it is part of the nature of the animal to treat internet forums with caution and the posters with extra caution.
We had one poster called Guppy who was amazing in his detail and authority! You dare not cross him for fear of public castigation.
He always won an argument.
He was banned and the forum lost his detail of knowledge wherever that came from!
I often wondered how real he was!
Genuine Trolls yes ban them but others give them slack.
Jabawoky??? he has more posts than me here and my instincts give him some slack
Pace
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I've read Jaba's posts in another section of PPRUNE I frequent and he's definitely more restrained there in his attitude. I guess it is because there are guys there who know who he is in RL. His views do carry some weight there though, and sifting through his postings there definitely is something to be learned there if he could modify his attitude a bit. If he was a flight instructor with an attitude like that he'd find himself out of students in no time flat.
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I agree Intercepted. Abrasive personalities are not as welcomed in nearly all environments. I would expect the such a personality, were they to be an invited guest to the right seat, would never be invited again should they start asserting their thoughts so forcefully.
I have given my best for a whole flying career to ease into social situations, and multi pilot environments, simply so I am invited back. In my role now, I do have to tell people that their design is not adequate or compliant, or that their test failed, from time to time. But even that can be handled with grace and professionalism, and not ruffle other people.
PPRuNe is a social environment. Though subjects discussed here can relate to safety or efficiency, there is nearly no opportunity (or right) for a poster to enforce what they say. So, offer your opinion, and if it not accepted, clarify nicely if it could help, otherwise let it go. You still have your own life undisturbed, so go live it your way - as others will theirs!
Sorry for the drift from the original topic....
I have given my best for a whole flying career to ease into social situations, and multi pilot environments, simply so I am invited back. In my role now, I do have to tell people that their design is not adequate or compliant, or that their test failed, from time to time. But even that can be handled with grace and professionalism, and not ruffle other people.
PPRuNe is a social environment. Though subjects discussed here can relate to safety or efficiency, there is nearly no opportunity (or right) for a poster to enforce what they say. So, offer your opinion, and if it not accepted, clarify nicely if it could help, otherwise let it go. You still have your own life undisturbed, so go live it your way - as others will theirs!
Sorry for the drift from the original topic....
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Have to agree with thudd,
Did hear of an incident where a mag failed in flight and the switch had shorted out causing the live mag to cut out. Had the pilot tried left or right, rather than just both, the live mag would have restarted the engine. Just checking it's on both is a weak check.
Did hear of an incident where a mag failed in flight and the switch had shorted out causing the live mag to cut out. Had the pilot tried left or right, rather than just both, the live mag would have restarted the engine. Just checking it's on both is a weak check.
It would depend on how much height you have to play with. I've had a mag let go just after takeoff and I only had enough time to reduce power before the engine shook itself off its mounts. Had I tried to switch mags I might not be here today if I had selected the dead one.
