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Helen - we gave it a chance!
How many more million will the council waste before the plug is pulled?
With the 'reduced' staff of 8 its overheads are enourmous - about 8 times larger than the tradecan bear.
Last weekend I had a friend who wanted lunch on the West coast - the evening before I had stated 'No problem'. The choices? Oban, Glenforsa, Gigha and Plockton. I've listed them in the order of aggravation and hassle. Naturally we went to Plockton. No stupid rules, no 'ealth and safety tabards, an honesty box - what an obvious choice!
Give it a chance - only when they finally smell the coffee!
How many more million will the council waste before the plug is pulled?
With the 'reduced' staff of 8 its overheads are enourmous - about 8 times larger than the tradecan bear.
Last weekend I had a friend who wanted lunch on the West coast - the evening before I had stated 'No problem'. The choices? Oban, Glenforsa, Gigha and Plockton. I've listed them in the order of aggravation and hassle. Naturally we went to Plockton. No stupid rules, no 'ealth and safety tabards, an honesty box - what an obvious choice!
Give it a chance - only when they finally smell the coffee!
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As far as I'm aware it still shuts. But there is an out-of-hours indemnity you can apply for. At extra cost obviously.
Mad Jock just hit the bullseye as always with his unique brand of wordsmithery. Summed up the whole saga in one swift post...
Smithy
Mad Jock just hit the bullseye as always with his unique brand of wordsmithery. Summed up the whole saga in one swift post...
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yeah shuts at 1715hrs. I found this out last week when trying for ppr and had to get the out of hours permit to land there.
Nice little airfield, great scenery with the weather we had for our visit.
Nice little airfield, great scenery with the weather we had for our visit.
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Utterly fed up
I am an aircraft owner based at Oban, and I am utterly dismayed at the council's decision to ban users from refuelling our aircraft with mogas. We agreed and adhered to refuelling guidelines set out a few years ago, when the airfield fuelling operator could no longer supply quality assured mogas.
This decision has come out of the blue, and with no consultation with the users. I'd love to know how the council intend ensuring that visiting aircraft are using only avgas? Will this be a requirement for PPR I wonder?
I am so fed up with all the arguments across the airfield, and this ludicrous ruling is the final straw. I am pretty sure I am going to sell my share of the aircraft - I do not have the energy for a fight and have lost any motivation for flying from Oban.
Sharon MacKechnie
This decision has come out of the blue, and with no consultation with the users. I'd love to know how the council intend ensuring that visiting aircraft are using only avgas? Will this be a requirement for PPR I wonder?
I am so fed up with all the arguments across the airfield, and this ludicrous ruling is the final straw. I am pretty sure I am going to sell my share of the aircraft - I do not have the energy for a fight and have lost any motivation for flying from Oban.
Sharon MacKechnie
But is that the reason, or is it only an excuse?
(but it might well be that to ask this question is to answer it)
(but it might well be that to ask this question is to answer it)
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Well isn't it nice to see the airfiled management - who tried to 'steal' the fuel sales from the existing contractor so fully supporting him by prohibiting refuelling with Mogas?
Where is Helen49 to justify the actions of these morons?
Where is Helen49 to justify the actions of these morons?
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I'm not having at go at the airfield staff who, without exception are excellent; nor am I having a go at the fuel operator who has always been very helpful to me.
I'm just venting my despair that bureaucracy has sucked the fun out of aviation for me.
I'm just venting my despair that bureaucracy has sucked the fun out of aviation for me.
You've had your aircraft converted to use ecofriendly lead-free mogas, and A&B are preventing you from doing so? Get the Environmental guys on your side.
I hope people don't think I use mogas just because it's cheaper.
I hope people don't think I use mogas just because it's cheaper.
Better red than ...
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...bureaucracy has sucked the fun out of aviation for me...
Two cheers for A&BC
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Sharon,
It would be a shame to let this put you off.
Come on back down to Strathaven in the school holidays - we've even got a caravan!
(to think, people in Glasgow used to keep aircraft at Oban because of the great place it is)
It would be a shame to let this put you off.
Come on back down to Strathaven in the school holidays - we've even got a caravan!
(to think, people in Glasgow used to keep aircraft at Oban because of the great place it is)
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Can you not put together a risk assesment linked in with the fact that you have operated for x numbers of years without there being an issue.
The fact that its scotland and your operating next to the sea means that the temprature range puts you in a low risk for using mogas. Also put in as well that the amount of traffic which will now not be able to use Oban is quite significant.
And a quote from AirBP!!! is hardly an unbias quote
The fact that its scotland and your operating next to the sea means that the temprature range puts you in a low risk for using mogas. Also put in as well that the amount of traffic which will now not be able to use Oban is quite significant.
And a quote from AirBP!!! is hardly an unbias quote
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So, who's going to tell Rotax that MOGAS is guaranteed death in fuel form?
If this is the case, then someone in Oban needs a kick in the backside.
The aircraft captain is the arbiter of what goes in the tanks, not an untrained council official who obviously doesn't know their nates from their articulatio cubititi.
If this is the case, then someone in Oban needs a kick in the backside.
The aircraft captain is the arbiter of what goes in the tanks, not an untrained council official who obviously doesn't know their nates from their articulatio cubititi.
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Presumably the council can't be saying that flying aircraft fuelled by mogas is unsafe, because if they are, they would have to ban all movements of such aircraft from Oban, Mull, Coll and Colonsay, in fact logically they would want to ban all such aircraft from overflying the Republic of Argyll & Bute. Just banning refuelling them at one airfield doesn't stop them flying there, and therefore does zero to address the perceived risk.
It must surely be about the health and safety aspects of storage and ground handling of fuel by untrained people? Then again, that would mean banning petrol lawn mowers...
Sharon, I know you've said you don't have the heart for a fight and I totally sympathise, but I'm sure it would be worth getting the CAA and the BMAA involved. Also, does Highland Council ban mogas refuelling at Dornoch, Plockton and Broadford? What does HIAL do?
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It must surely be about the health and safety aspects of storage and ground handling of fuel by untrained people? Then again, that would mean banning petrol lawn mowers...
Sharon, I know you've said you don't have the heart for a fight and I totally sympathise, but I'm sure it would be worth getting the CAA and the BMAA involved. Also, does Highland Council ban mogas refuelling at Dornoch, Plockton and Broadford? What does HIAL do?
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Dornoch, Plockton and Broadford are OK although I haven't seen anyone fueling for ages but then again there is nobody around to stop you.
As for HAIL INV it used to be OK as long as you didn't do it over grass or tarmac but if they did it on the concrete it was OK. Now everything has to go through the RVP I don't have a clue.
I suspect that someone has been given the job of getting the HAZMAT data sheet folder going or up to date. And instead of just going to ask the refueler for there COSH they have been doing an internet search to find them. When they have done this they have pulled up this little gem from AirBP.
Realistically I haven't seen any instances of accidents due to mogas refueling in the UK. And there arn't aircraft dropping out the sky using it.
I can understand that there will be restrictions on where you are allowed to refuel this is due to SEPA more than anything else on grass and stopping the tarmac rotting if spills occur on that.
But then again the airport can't dictate what the aero club does on its own leased ground. Especially when they have so many years of precidence of safely using mogas.
As for HAIL INV it used to be OK as long as you didn't do it over grass or tarmac but if they did it on the concrete it was OK. Now everything has to go through the RVP I don't have a clue.
I suspect that someone has been given the job of getting the HAZMAT data sheet folder going or up to date. And instead of just going to ask the refueler for there COSH they have been doing an internet search to find them. When they have done this they have pulled up this little gem from AirBP.
Realistically I haven't seen any instances of accidents due to mogas refueling in the UK. And there arn't aircraft dropping out the sky using it.
I can understand that there will be restrictions on where you are allowed to refuel this is due to SEPA more than anything else on grass and stopping the tarmac rotting if spills occur on that.
But then again the airport can't dictate what the aero club does on its own leased ground. Especially when they have so many years of precidence of safely using mogas.
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The CAA document linked from post #1019 appears to give clear guidance on the circumstances where use of Mogas is acceptable. Am I to understand that local airfield procedures are not allowing these options to be used?
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Is it a case of the local fuel company refusing to supply Mogas or are you being prevented from bringing your own fuel in ?
If its the latter could it be something to do with the local fuel company having sole rights to supply fuel at the airfield ?
If its the latter could it be something to do with the local fuel company having sole rights to supply fuel at the airfield ?