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So whats actually changed to allow common sense to break out.
Personally they should get rid of the out of hours thing and have 2 sets of opening hours licensed and unlicensed and then shut and out of hours permit required.
Personally they should get rid of the out of hours thing and have 2 sets of opening hours licensed and unlicensed and then shut and out of hours permit required.
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So whats actually changed to allow common sense to break out
A great deal of hard work and negotiation between Argyll Aero Club and an individual at ABC who realises that, if you are going to operate an airport you need to engage with those who understand not only the business of aviation but business in general.
Well done everybody
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Out of hours operation
Agree with MJ, many other airfields allow out-of-hours ops unlicensed, think this would be very useful at Oban, hopefully the winds of common sense shall continue.
Good to see the start of petty politics being put to one side.
Smithy
Good to see the start of petty politics being put to one side.
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A&BC do allow out of hours operation, at which times the airfields are unlicensed. It’s just that you have to sign an indemnity and give them a copy of your insurance before they will permit out of hours operation. Cost is £38.38 for the year which is probably to cover the admin and the nice card they send you.
The scheme is now broadly in line with HIAL and given the current climate of liability and heath & safety, I can’t see the Council changing this given. Overall I think its a small price to pay for the privilege.
Otherwise it's great to see normality returning. Looking forward to many more visits in the coming months.
The scheme is now broadly in line with HIAL and given the current climate of liability and heath & safety, I can’t see the Council changing this given. Overall I think its a small price to pay for the privilege.
Otherwise it's great to see normality returning. Looking forward to many more visits in the coming months.
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£38.38 is way over kill for what it costs for 1 person to check the paper work.
The fact that it is also linked to a pilot is also a bit of a con and well away from HIAL.
Its red tape for the sake of it.
And as I said there can be 2 sets of opening hours one with all the fire cover and and terminal open. And another set when a responsable known adult is present.
The fact that it is also linked to a pilot is also a bit of a con and well away from HIAL.
Its red tape for the sake of it.
And as I said there can be 2 sets of opening hours one with all the fire cover and and terminal open. And another set when a responsable known adult is present.
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Its doesnt have to be linked to the pilot any more. There's also the option to apply where the insurance is in 'registration of the aircraft'.
See Oban Airport Prior Permission Request | Argyll and Bute Council
Its doesnt have to be linked to the pilot any more. There's also the option to apply where the insurance is in 'registration of the aircraft'.
See Oban Airport Prior Permission Request | Argyll and Bute Council
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Went into Oban today!- Never again!
Seems world war three is happening at Oban as we speak. The airfield council staff spent twenty minutes telling me how the refuelling company put sand into the fire truck, then put a fence up to stop them operating. All of it probably enough for a liable case on its own! I had only just arrived!
Then met the refuelling guys who seemed a nice guy, and he told me of all the woes and wasted money up there! He didnt slate anyone though.
Then flew and WOW- what a lovely place to fly- the scenery is breathtaking.
Such a pity they cant all get on- it could be one of the nicest GA fields in the country. As it is however it just has this gloom hanging around like low cloud at 5ft! And whilst the council are only doing their job- they are doing it to the letter. Wear yellow high viz jackets, Was asked to radio before start, before taxi to the hold ( at least 10ft away from where i started) radio for back track, radio to line up, radio to take off, radio clear of the circuit, radio rejoining, radio descending deadside, radio overhead the airfield, radio downwind, radio base leg, radio finals, radio clear of the runway. This is all fine BUT I WAS THE ONLY AIRCRAFT FOR MILES AROUND.
In fact the only conflicting traffic was the fireman walking his dog right in the middle of the runway!! Makes no sense to me any of it! And it is only an advisory service! Not at all professionally run. Rules for the sake of rules and the real safety stuff forgotten!
Made less radio calls going into sun and fun where I was number 16 on finals.-
Personally I wouldnt fly in there and would advise others to stay clear. Pity as the locals are all really nice guys!
Then met the refuelling guys who seemed a nice guy, and he told me of all the woes and wasted money up there! He didnt slate anyone though.
Then flew and WOW- what a lovely place to fly- the scenery is breathtaking.
Such a pity they cant all get on- it could be one of the nicest GA fields in the country. As it is however it just has this gloom hanging around like low cloud at 5ft! And whilst the council are only doing their job- they are doing it to the letter. Wear yellow high viz jackets, Was asked to radio before start, before taxi to the hold ( at least 10ft away from where i started) radio for back track, radio to line up, radio to take off, radio clear of the circuit, radio rejoining, radio descending deadside, radio overhead the airfield, radio downwind, radio base leg, radio finals, radio clear of the runway. This is all fine BUT I WAS THE ONLY AIRCRAFT FOR MILES AROUND.
In fact the only conflicting traffic was the fireman walking his dog right in the middle of the runway!! Makes no sense to me any of it! And it is only an advisory service! Not at all professionally run. Rules for the sake of rules and the real safety stuff forgotten!
Made less radio calls going into sun and fun where I was number 16 on finals.-
Personally I wouldnt fly in there and would advise others to stay clear. Pity as the locals are all really nice guys!
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They still bang on about the Massacre of Glencoe which happened in 1692 on the west coast.
So the current dispute will be good for a fair few years yet I am afraid. It won't even finish if the airport shuts and all the parties are in thier graves after departing of natural causes.
So the current dispute will be good for a fair few years yet I am afraid. It won't even finish if the airport shuts and all the parties are in thier graves after departing of natural causes.
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It was once, and may yet be again.
Had the Yak in there a couple of times last week, and as ever the place to be is at the Northern end, consuming tea and jammy dodgers, and enjoying good company.
We deal with the stuff at the Southern end because we have to, not that it has any real benefit.
Keep going back, is my advice, and hopefully you will gradually see things change for the better.
Had the Yak in there a couple of times last week, and as ever the place to be is at the Northern end, consuming tea and jammy dodgers, and enjoying good company.
We deal with the stuff at the Southern end because we have to, not that it has any real benefit.
Keep going back, is my advice, and hopefully you will gradually see things change for the better.
"Went into Oban today!- Never again!"
Went in to Oban on Friday 3 June. No problems. Everyone very pleasant. I don't recall radio calls being specified. It was busier than Inverness. Would you object to making routine radio calls there?
Went in to Oban on Friday 3 June. No problems. Everyone very pleasant. I don't recall radio calls being specified. It was busier than Inverness. Would you object to making routine radio calls there?
May be 'Steak and Chips' would be better staying away.
Perhaps FISO training was taking place or perhaps the FISO just wished to do what the book says he/she should do!
Just look at the number of incidents and accidents in aviation caused by people NOT following the rules.......as a relatively new FISO unit, scrutinised by the regulator, surely experienced aviators should be encouraging the use of standard procedures. Such practice by the FISOs will be invaluable on the days when it is 'busier than Inverness'!
Perhaps FISO training was taking place or perhaps the FISO just wished to do what the book says he/she should do!
Just look at the number of incidents and accidents in aviation caused by people NOT following the rules.......as a relatively new FISO unit, scrutinised by the regulator, surely experienced aviators should be encouraging the use of standard procedures. Such practice by the FISOs will be invaluable on the days when it is 'busier than Inverness'!
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You miss my point.
Does Inverness have fireman walking dogs on the middle of the runway whilst the only aircraft for miles is landing as well then- No I think not- would probably be alittle more professional.
Does Inverness give you a long story about all its troubles and how you shouldnt buy fuel from there cos the seller puts sand in the fire engine fuel tanks etc etc.
To be quite frank Im not interested in all the in fighting up there. I get enough rubbish Mon- Fri at work and go flying to get away from politics and in fighting.
The point I was making is that a really lovely airfield, in breathtaking scenery with some great local people is being- imho, spoiled by some council workers
I have no objection to radio calls- it was the double standards. Safety is not just about following the rules- it is also about common sense.
Does Inverness give you a long story about all its troubles and how you shouldnt buy fuel from there cos the seller puts sand in the fire engine fuel tanks etc etc.
To be quite frank Im not interested in all the in fighting up there. I get enough rubbish Mon- Fri at work and go flying to get away from politics and in fighting.
The point I was making is that a really lovely airfield, in breathtaking scenery with some great local people is being- imho, spoiled by some council workers
I have no objection to radio calls- it was the double standards. Safety is not just about following the rules- it is also about common sense.