Oban/Glenforsa News
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Oban and Glenforsa open?
can you confirm that Glenforsa and Oban are operating normally?
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Yes, and I'll quote one of our senior PPRuNe Admins:
The original thread had drifted far from the original aspects of whether Oban was open for GA or not. It had become a thread solely consisting of the two sides baiting each other and addressing personal issues rather than those of GA. At the end of its life it added nothing to Private Flying, and as nothing new concerning GA operations at Oban was forthcoming, we put it to sleep.
This new thread will be similarly managed, but from the start. Factual reports on developments at Oban, as they affect GA, are welcome. User reports on their experiences when using Oban are welcome. Press cuttings on news concerning Oban, its licencing status, and any other news associated with the airfield and its operators and services are welcome (provided appropriate copyright acknowledgements made). Questions from those wishing to use Oban are welcome, as are the answers. Views on the impact of developments, or what users would like to see happen regarding the future of the airfield, are also welcome.
Posts indulging in 'Paul Keegan vs Peter Jackson' type battles which become personal, as witnessed on the other thread, will fall under the 'tit for tat sniping' banner. We've seen enough on PPRuNe to know about the conflict which exists between the various parties in the Council and at TLC. We've seen various posters champion their favourite side in the conflict. And it was going no where, except around in circles.
Let's keep the focus on Oban and GA, not individuals.
Loads of tit for tat sniping posts with no content over the last couple of pages.
This new thread will be similarly managed, but from the start. Factual reports on developments at Oban, as they affect GA, are welcome. User reports on their experiences when using Oban are welcome. Press cuttings on news concerning Oban, its licencing status, and any other news associated with the airfield and its operators and services are welcome (provided appropriate copyright acknowledgements made). Questions from those wishing to use Oban are welcome, as are the answers. Views on the impact of developments, or what users would like to see happen regarding the future of the airfield, are also welcome.
Posts indulging in 'Paul Keegan vs Peter Jackson' type battles which become personal, as witnessed on the other thread, will fall under the 'tit for tat sniping' banner. We've seen enough on PPRuNe to know about the conflict which exists between the various parties in the Council and at TLC. We've seen various posters champion their favourite side in the conflict. And it was going no where, except around in circles.
Let's keep the focus on Oban and GA, not individuals.
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Oban and Glenforsa
Maybe because it was so huge that most of us lost the will to live when reading it? ZNWW5
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Colonsay News
From this week's Corncrake Magazine:
We can report another delay for the start of the Air Service in Colonsay, in spite of the removal of hundreds of tons of soil. The final CAA inspection is now rumoured for mid May - and scheduled services cannot begin before THAT, but while we wait, the Seaplane service between Central Glasgow, Oban Bay and, now the island of Mull appears to be going great guns and is a front page story in the Oban Times.
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News ReleaseArgyll and Bute Council, Kilmory, Lochgilphead, Argyll, PA31 8RT, Tel: 01546 604276, Fax: 01546 604346, E-Mail: [email protected], Web: www.argyll-bute.gov.uk Issue Date: 18/04/2008Press Release ID: PR210/2008 PLANS FOR ARGYLL AIRFIELDS MOVE FORWARDArgyll and Bute Council is moving forward with the licensing process for its three airfields, with visits from CAA inspectors due to take place during the week beginning 12 May.All the civil engineering, buildings and physical issues at the airfields are now resolved, and although there are still some outstanding legal issues between the Council and TLC Ltd, these are expected to be resolved soon, or else the council will seek an alternative way of operating from the CAA.
Argyll and Bute Council’s Transportation Spokesperson, Councillor Duncan MacIntyre, said: “Things are moving forward nicely, and we are now able to clearly see a successful conclusion to the project, which will see scheduled flights from Oban to Coll, Colonsay and Tiree through a contract with Highland Airways and support from the Scottish Government.
“These flights will allow school pupils from the islands to spend weekends with their families and provide a fast alternative to the existing ferry services for residents, businesses and visitors alike.”
Councillor MacIntyre also paid tribute to the Project Development Manager, Peter Jackson, who is leaving to take up a new post elsewhere. Councillor MacIntyre said: “The Council would not have managed to take the project this far without Peter’s input, and, on behalf of the Council, I would like to offer him our sincere thanks and wish him well in his future career.”
The post of Development Manager is expected to be filled shortly. Issued by Aileen Maclennan on 18/04/2008 09:39:55
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TLC Response
PRESS RELEASE - Argyll Air Services - 21 April 2008
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Total Logistics Concepts (TLC) Aviation Support, ObanAirport.
Managing Director of TLC Paul Keegan says in response to A&BC’s press release of 18 April 2008:
“TLC are pleased that despite running years behind the original planned service start date, the council has continued optimism for the implementation of scheduled services to the islands of Coll, Colonsay and Tiree from Oban. The huge sums of money spent on the project, nearly £9M to date, demand no less.
The fundamental issues with licensing the airfields, especially Oban, have been made clear to the council some time ago by the CAA. The matter of the lack of garaging for the Oban fire vehicle, while not yet resolved and a basic licensing condition should eventually be sorted, though not without further additional expense. The council’s inability to correct its obvious management failings has been the major obstacle in moving forward with licensing. Undoubtedly the early departure of the council’s Development Manager will assist negotiations with the CAA.
It is with regret we notice the council’s continued attempts to divert attention from their project failures to date by pursuing fruitless legal actions against this company. Hopefully their recent court defeats, funded entirely by council taxpayer’s money, will let them understand the pointlessness of pursuing harassment tactics in the courts, where the rule of law always applies.
Once more I can assure the council of TLC’s complete commitment to assist them with positive and constructive comment using our widely acknowledged experience in order to bring their project to a workable conclusion.”
L. Paul Keegan
21 April 2008
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Total Logistics Concepts (TLC) Aviation Support, ObanAirport.
Managing Director of TLC Paul Keegan says in response to A&BC’s press release of 18 April 2008:
“TLC are pleased that despite running years behind the original planned service start date, the council has continued optimism for the implementation of scheduled services to the islands of Coll, Colonsay and Tiree from Oban. The huge sums of money spent on the project, nearly £9M to date, demand no less.
The fundamental issues with licensing the airfields, especially Oban, have been made clear to the council some time ago by the CAA. The matter of the lack of garaging for the Oban fire vehicle, while not yet resolved and a basic licensing condition should eventually be sorted, though not without further additional expense. The council’s inability to correct its obvious management failings has been the major obstacle in moving forward with licensing. Undoubtedly the early departure of the council’s Development Manager will assist negotiations with the CAA.
It is with regret we notice the council’s continued attempts to divert attention from their project failures to date by pursuing fruitless legal actions against this company. Hopefully their recent court defeats, funded entirely by council taxpayer’s money, will let them understand the pointlessness of pursuing harassment tactics in the courts, where the rule of law always applies.
Once more I can assure the council of TLC’s complete commitment to assist them with positive and constructive comment using our widely acknowledged experience in order to bring their project to a workable conclusion.”
L. Paul Keegan
21 April 2008
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Reference Oban
It would be nice to be reassured that no undue pressure has been placed on Pprune by any organisation or individual that would influence what is allowed to appear on this this thread.
I note that the original long running thread on the subject of Oban has been completely removed.
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I note that the original long running thread on the subject of Oban has been completely removed.
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I can assure you that there has been no presure from outside to close the thread.
The thread was closed whilst I was away in Canada recently by one of our admins here. Although I done everything possible to keep the original open and be fair with it, I believe the decision to close the original was the right one.
This thread has already been moderated extensively to just keep postings here to do with news concerning Oban.
You won't believe this but we have even been accused of encouraging scurrilous postings!!!!!!
Even worse is the fact that we have also been blamed for the departure of PJ and we must be held accountable!!!! How about that for a laugh!
The thread was closed whilst I was away in Canada recently by one of our admins here. Although I done everything possible to keep the original open and be fair with it, I believe the decision to close the original was the right one.
This thread has already been moderated extensively to just keep postings here to do with news concerning Oban.
You won't believe this but we have even been accused of encouraging scurrilous postings!!!!!!
Even worse is the fact that we have also been blamed for the departure of PJ and we must be held accountable!!!! How about that for a laugh!
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The GA community is very close-knit in the UK. I know a lot of people both here in the UK as well as abroad.
Rumours start, word gets around and I get to know quite a bit of what is happening about most things.
Again, it is a small world, and people have to be careful what they say and to who they say it to.....
Rumours start, word gets around and I get to know quite a bit of what is happening about most things.
Again, it is a small world, and people have to be careful what they say and to who they say it to.....
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and people have to be careful what they say and to who they say it to.....
I think has Pprune provided a valuable service in preventing the odious Mr Jackson from carrying out his Machiavellian subterfuge outwith the public gaze.
I do believe that this was a definite factor in his early departure.
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Argyll Air Service News
Argyll's planned air service still stalled
Posted by John Patrick on 25 April 2008 at 3:57pm
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The Civil Aviation Authority remains unable to grant a licence to the Council for scheduled flights from Oban to the isles of Coll, Colonsay and Tiree. All the physical issues are resolved but the legal stand-off between the Council and Total Logistics Concepts (TLC), the fuel supplier based at the airstrip, continues.
This situation has seen admitted forced entry and damage to the site periphery; an act of potentially lethal sabotage by person unknown to the fuel supply of the strip’s fire engine, refusals to comply with the legally necessary checking in of all personnel going airside at the strip and threats of legal action on both sides.
The fire engine sabotage led to a scene worthy of Dad’s Army. With a private plane coming in for an emergency landing with its undercarriage auto-release seized, the fire crew, unable to start the engine of the appliance, attended the scene in a pick up truck and a minibus, wielding domestic fire extinguishers. Luckily the pilot managed to lower the gear manually - or farce could have become tragedy caused by someone quite deliberately.
Read the full story at For Argyll.com
Posted by John Patrick on 25 April 2008 at 3:57pm
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The Civil Aviation Authority remains unable to grant a licence to the Council for scheduled flights from Oban to the isles of Coll, Colonsay and Tiree. All the physical issues are resolved but the legal stand-off between the Council and Total Logistics Concepts (TLC), the fuel supplier based at the airstrip, continues.
This situation has seen admitted forced entry and damage to the site periphery; an act of potentially lethal sabotage by person unknown to the fuel supply of the strip’s fire engine, refusals to comply with the legally necessary checking in of all personnel going airside at the strip and threats of legal action on both sides.
The fire engine sabotage led to a scene worthy of Dad’s Army. With a private plane coming in for an emergency landing with its undercarriage auto-release seized, the fire crew, unable to start the engine of the appliance, attended the scene in a pick up truck and a minibus, wielding domestic fire extinguishers. Luckily the pilot managed to lower the gear manually - or farce could have become tragedy caused by someone quite deliberately.
Read the full story at For Argyll.com
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Glenforsa Yaketeers
Lots of flying at Glenforsa and Oban at the weekend, including a contingent from White Waltham.
Good to see.
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Good to see.
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I read the article on this AIE (the local enterprise board) sponsored site - seemed even more libellous than anything written on the last late lamented Oban thread 
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Am suprised the monitors have not deleted CAM LOBE's post.
. Am suprised the monitors have not deleted CAM LOBE's post.