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Old 9th Aug 2010, 15:45
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Yes and perhaps some current Bassa members (notice the plural) could urge the Unite management to start following both the Bassa and PPRuNe fora and point them to Duncan's next gaffe.....

One should hope that either Unite get stuck in cleaning up Bassa or kicking them out, for the well being of the entire Unite membership.

Perhaps Bassa could be replaced by PCCC within Unite?
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 15:51
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That is a very interesting thought.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 15:53
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the Unite management to start following both the Bassa and PPRuNe fora and point them to Duncan's next gaffe.
Though tentative, I do know the general secretary of the Union (not Unite) I am in does check PPRuNe!
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 16:03
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But why put the PCCC into the same old strait jacket, constraints and control of these creaking dinosaurs, they hopefully represent a new, modern method of handling working relationships between employer and employed which can only be to the benefit of both parties.

They have the potential to become that rare thing these days, an entity which is able to think and act without being constrained or controlled by political considerations and idealogy - some would call it freedom!!
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 16:07
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Data protection

I agree that was DH has done is unlawful.

Visit the ico website...........

Data Protection Act (DPA) 1998, data protection policy - ICO

"
The Data Protection Act requires anyone who handles personal information to comply with a number of important principles. It also gives individuals rights over their personal information.
Your rights

Individuals have a wide range of rights under the Data Protection Act, including access, compensation and the prevention of processing.
Your legal obligations

If you handle personal information, you have a number of important legal obligations. All the details are here.


"


So, DH has now exposed Unite to legal action..............as he did with the request for staff not to open/close blinds.
I expect Unite's lawyers to issue yet another stroppy letter, and for the offending post to be taken down sharpish.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 16:25
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Subject access request

Any current or ex-Bassa member is entitled to ask DH as sec of the org for a copy of all of the data that the org has on them. It is called a subject access request.

I would hope that a few thousand would be sent for those afraid about the branch sec's megalomania.

The letter is below, the address is here.....
Branch Sec.
BASSA
Unite House,
99 New Road,
Harlington,
Middx
UB3 5BQ


As we know that DH is monumentally incompetent at admin, one week after sending the request to the junta, a further request should be sent to Mr Simpson.

Mr Simpson
Joint gen Sec
Unite,
Unite House,
128 Theobald's Road,
Holborn,
London,
WC1X 8TN
here's the letter that the Info Commissioner suggests you should use.

"Dear Sir or Madam
Please send me the information which I am entitled to under the Section 7(1) of the Data Protection Act 1998.
If you need further information from me, or a fee, please let me know as soon as possible.
If you do not normally handle these requests for your organisation, please pass this letter to your Data protection officer or another appropriate official.
Yours faithfully


"
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 18:01
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BA's decision to remove staff travel perks gave rise to page upon page of posts about the alleged human rights breach of such action, not to mention threats of legal action under human rights legislation to reassert the fundamental human right of airline staff to a cheap holiday in the Caribbean.
I am no apologist for BASSA, believe me, but I wish this somewhat flippant reference to the human rights legal bid re loss of staff travel would stop being perpetuated.

The Human Rights legislation being invoked is not anything to do with rights to holiday flights, but is to do with the human right to have a legally balloted strike without suffering the withdrawal of perks (any perks, or for that matter, any kind of punishment) enjoyed by the rest of the employer's (any employer) staff.

If it goes unchallenged, or is confirmed as acceptable, any employer can then act against any strikers in a similar way in the future, however genuine their employees grievance may be.

Certainly I can see BA invoking it any time any further unrest arises, and they (BA) may not always be the 'good guys'.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 18:54
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I agree - how on earth does BASSA still exist.

They have a DH as their branch secretary who has been dismissed by BA yet no doubt still retains his income of 7% of members dues (£130k+ per year).

They have an open members forum !
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They can reveal members identities as and when they wish.

BASSA is in now a stage of complete meltdown

I feel utterly speechless - why do they still have members?


BASSA 1/117 - Welcome to the Cabin Crew Union of Thomson Airways - Thomson Airways are also a branch of BASSA ??
sorry edited a few times not only speechless but also lost for words


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Old 9th Aug 2010, 19:24
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To Baggersup, Leiard and all other very understanding and tolerant customers (hate the term SLF!)

That is the question that many of us are now asking, and in particular it is something that the PCCC team are baffled about.

The latest outrage by BASSA gives you an indication of what we the PCCC are up against. Imagine if BASSA knew our identities? Where would this bad behaviour end? We certainly don't want it affecting our day to day work, and that is why we remain anonymous.

Many crew simply don't know about the PCCC for the simple fact that we are unable to advertise properly. We put flyers on our noticeboards - and they are literally taken down within minutes by the BASSA militants. We are accused of being BA management at every turn - we are not. But how can we get our message across when this is what we are up against? They won't even allow mention of the PCCC name on either of the other forums!

BASSA are slowly self-combusting, and the quicker the better as far as we're concerned. But it is extremely unpleasant to see our own colleagues "outed" and treated in this deplorable way.

The irony is that it appears now that the majority of BASSA members CAME TO WORK during the strike! So staying in the union serves no useful purpose for them - because they surely won't get representation by BASSA should they need it. But if cabin crew remain in BASSA, funding this deplorable behaviour, what hope is there for the rest of us?

I am a BA cabin crew member and the above represents my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 19:37
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The irony is that it appears now that the majority of BASSA members CAME TO WORK during the strike!
If that were the case, their would have to be at least 10000 BASSA members still.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 19:40
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HiFlyer14

the term SLF is not really a problem - a bit of tongue in cheek.

D O Guerrero

I do not think there is any face left to save !

The Blu Riband

The only ones who have lost are those good cabin crew who trusted BASSA to look after their rights.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 19:58
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As for their bookeeping being in disarray. They might not want to have their bookeeping and members' lists sorted. Not having them sorted might be a strategic move on their parts right now.

Does DH have to give back some of his hard earned % of union dues if the membership is lower than claimed, or maybe he knows the real number of members by looking at his paycheck?

I am sure their book keeping is as good as they want it to be.
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Old 9th Aug 2010, 20:11
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It is always the same - the top of the woodpile always gets the most.

That is why the likes of DH moaning about the pay of CEOs makes me laugh.
(WW gave up his bonus - did DH give up his payments while the strike was on?)

The 7% is what has been reported - I can not find any audited accounts for BASSA - so we cannot know the real sum involved,
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 00:30
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I wish this somewhat flippant reference to the human rights legal bid re loss of staff travel would stop being perpetuated.
The only thing flippant about this matter is Unite's abuse of human rights legislation in this way.

If it goes unchallenged, or is confirmed as acceptable, any employer can then act against any strikers in a similar way in the future, however genuine their employees grievance may be.
Employers already can and do withdraw perks, for a variety of reasons. There's no chance of the staff travel issue ever going as far as a binding legal precedent. And if it did, all that would happen is that employers would tighten up the entitlement wording to ensure they didn't get caught out in a similar way.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 04:16
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Surely now Duncan and the rest of the reps have started lacing the Koolaid?

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Old 10th Aug 2010, 09:02
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Thought for the day....

....by 'Hector Vector':

http://www.pprune.org/5859940-post1899.html

A 'senior manager'. Spurious.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 09:17
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Well Holley does think he is a senior BA Manager

The article was printed in the Grauniad a month or so back as I recall. I note that HV hasn't provided the link and thus is breaking copyright (unless of course he was the original author, surely not )

Edited to add link to article: Guardian article

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Old 10th Aug 2010, 09:32
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Yes indeed, the self destruction is well advanced. Hector Vector's latest post on the other thread so clearly reveals the poster to be DH. He takes every opportunity of polite and considered dissenting opinions to attempt to construct rifts based on unreasonable views from his own stable. He then goes on to relate an unsubstantiated tale of a disillusioned manager at Waterside as if this is the majority view at that facility to open his wrongly perceived rift between other pro-BA posters further.

As the very same tale came out of his stable in an earlier propaganda release of several weeks ago it has done nothing but reveal the extreme desperation to which this individual has sunk. Imagine being the general secretary of a trade union and feeling you need to spend any time whatsoever unwittingly embarrassing yourself on a public web forum to win your fight. BASSA's leaders are not worldly-wise business people they are regular high-school leavers who through a bit of savvy found they could use intimidation to wield power over management and better their lot. For the first time they are getting an insight into what it really takes to play at the level of managing a major global coporate entity and are way out of their depths. They narrow-mindedly believe their problems will be solved when WW leaves not realising that he is simply being promoted to a position where he will still have responsibility for BA CC's costs and will thus hire competent staff under him to continue the action he has started. They pretend to understand what is good for BA but have no idea of the complex inter-relationships and balances that a CEO has to deal with on a daily basis to make the entity function.

BASSA and its leadership need help to do the honourable thing before somebody's desperation leads to endangerment of personal safety. The kindest help would come from close friends. Beyond that it should come from the UNITE leadership through its personnel (sorry, HR - showing my age!) department. Unfortunately BA has done everything it possibly can to show compassion in offering to preserve living standards, etc., until these valued staff retire but BASSA's leadership has simply not seen the light.

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Old 10th Aug 2010, 10:20
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Holley certainly needs to be removed, but I imagine that someone, somewhere (Unite?) is wondering how to go about such a thing.
This foolish man has become the face and voice of this dispute, the Tokyo Rose of BASSA if you like.

However, removing him is akin to the care you have to take with an employee that is likely to become disgruntled and disruptive once he knows its coming. I’m sorry to say I have in the past had to change passwords on systems overnight and intercept people upon their arrival for work to tell them it’s their last day. Underhand, but alas sometimes a requirement.

Unite could have a similar situation with DH. He has access to “official” communications channels, membership databases (such as they are) and some degree of control over the forum – he’s already lost his job remember and may decide to go out kicking and screaming perhaps.

I certainly struggle to imagine a smooth handover of power based on what I have observed / read over the last few years of these fools operation.
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Old 10th Aug 2010, 10:52
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"Have also been told UNITE are talking with Willie and that Woodley has expressly excluded BASSA. He and UNITE are furious with Holley. Woodley told Holley his call for wildcat action re: shades must be withdrawn as it would give the co. carte blanche to sack. Holley refused so UNITE issued retraction themselves. Fuming !! He now wants to isolate BASSA. With internal elections coming up, woodley doesn't want anything to do with what he calls the BASSA DISASTER. It's over. It's no longer a fight for CC; it's an internal fight to preserve their own positions. Don't know where we go from here."

This is a txt sent to a poster (StoneyBridgeRadar) on the other thread from a colleague. Telling, don't you think?
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