BA Cabin Crew Strike Threats (Merged)
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Originally Posted by lowcostdolly
As I'm sitting here just about to cancel my flight over Xmas with BA to JER and booking with FlyBe at a much greater cost as we are now so close note to self now as SLF.....Never ever book with BA again even if they are giving away the seat which they practically were when I booked.
Originally Posted by lowcostdolly
Granted a BA PU works a lot harder physically on the service on board than I do.....I am an EZY PU. My earnings last year were just under £22,000 including allowances but some of my role equates to what your CSD's do being in overall charge.
BA are not even trying to cut your PU pay of nearly £50K they are just asking that you work a bit harder. Some would say this is working Smarter.
BA are not even trying to cut your PU pay of nearly £50K they are just asking that you work a bit harder. Some would say this is working Smarter.
It's thanks to spiteful little people like you, those that do know some of the facts, but choose to focus on the headline figures instead, that we are now getting so much abuse as we go about our job. Did you know that there is a shop, local to LGW airport, that has put up a sign saying "No BA Staff" on the door? Ironically, his shop is frequented mostly by LGW crew, the very same crew that are, in the majority, not only working through the strike, but have also offered to also work days off to try to get as many people to their destinations as possible, including him! To a point, he can be forgiven for not knowing any better. You can't!
If you want to spout off, at least try to be balanced about it, lowcostdolly.
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a shop, local to LGW airport, that has put up a sign saying "No BA Staff"
To a point, he can be forgiven for not knowing any better.
Did you ask him, Jetset Lady, if he is one of the victims of this suicidal, stupid affair?
Perhaps he, or a friend or relative, has lost thousands of pounds and has every justification for abusing BA staff. That's why you're being abused. It's not because of the lies being bandied about by both sides about your pay.
Perhaps not; the point is that it didn't even occur to you to find out, did it?
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Actually, yes he is one of the victims. He's booked on one of our New York flights. And I can completely understand his feelings. However, the point I was trying to make is that he, unlike lowcostdolly, would probably not be aware that most of his BA customers are from LGW and have volunteered to work their days off and leave, to try to keep as many aircraft in the air as they can. Why would he know? He's not an industry insider and, presumably, can only go by what he see's in the media. That is not a criticism! Lowcostdolly, on the other, claims to be an industry insider and therefore does know better, yet can't wait to stir the pot.
I'd love for the truth regarding LGW to reach the media, so this gentleman and others like him, could be better informed, but the media aren't interested. There's no mind blowing figures to throw into the headlines. We're just a little base, usually forgotten about, doing our best to get our passengers, ourselves and ultimately, our airline through this disgrace of a dispute.
The only reason I even mentioned pay, for the first time I may add, is because lowcostdolly was implying that I'm sitting there, in my ivory jumpseat on 50K a year!
And you wonder why I'm angry? You call me patronising, then make assumptions like the above!
Actually, lets change that. I'm not angry at all. I'm downright furious with the unions, along with being upset, scared and demoralised. It's not just the passengers that have been dragged into this dispute. There are a lot of hardworking crew and staff that are also stuck in the middle. I'm sorry if you have taken that as my being patronising.
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I'd love for the truth regarding LGW to reach the media, so this gentleman and others like him, could be better informed, but the media aren't interested. There's no mind blowing figures to throw into the headlines. We're just a little base, usually forgotten about, doing our best to get our passengers, ourselves and ultimately, our airline through this disgrace of a dispute.
The only reason I even mentioned pay, for the first time I may add, is because lowcostdolly was implying that I'm sitting there, in my ivory jumpseat on 50K a year!
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Perhaps not; the point is that it didn't even occur to you to find out, did it?
Actually, lets change that. I'm not angry at all. I'm downright furious with the unions, along with being upset, scared and demoralised. It's not just the passengers that have been dragged into this dispute. There are a lot of hardworking crew and staff that are also stuck in the middle. I'm sorry if you have taken that as my being patronising.
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JSL the last time you personally attacked me on this topic a warning was issued by Flapsforty. I note Tightslot is off line at the moment so maybe I should remind you of what Flapsforty said as you seem to have forgotten it.......play the ball don't kick the player!
I am well aware LHR contracts are different and they are what I was referring to. I'm also aware crewing levels are different at LGW.
My point as you seem to have missed it through your red mist is that a LHR/LGW Pu is onboard for exactly the same purpose according to the CAA. They may well have different service responsibilities but does that really warrant a salary difference for the grade of over £20,000 especially in these economic times. The ironic thing is WW it seems does not even want to touch their salaries......he is just expecting them to work for it.
You want a bit of balance well how is this? One of my best friends is a Monarch PU at LGW. She earns a lot more than me but a lot less than your LHR colleagues. Many have been asked to take voluntary redundancy. She is currently working on a 8/4 contract and all PU's/No 1's have taken a 10% paycut. Some may have to work as main crew next summer. All this is to support the company in difficult times. They have not striked or whinged about it on public forums or in the press, they have just got on with it. A testament to their professionalism I feel.
So you feel I'm "spiteful" again another personal attack. Well for the record when I saw the shop you refer to on the Meridian news I was appalled. However you might also want to remember the televised scenes we saw the other day at the UNITE ballot for strike action......absolute jubilation!! Maybe he reacted to that.
BA crew intentionally jeopardising Xmas for it's pax and being so happy about is IMHO about as spiteful as it gets.
Also to all of you who have not supported this action which I believe you are one I truly hope you are all OK for the future. I feel for any crew whose jobs are in jeopardy in this economic climate.......unless it is of their own making. We are all lucky to have jobs at present.
I am well aware LHR contracts are different and they are what I was referring to. I'm also aware crewing levels are different at LGW.
My point as you seem to have missed it through your red mist is that a LHR/LGW Pu is onboard for exactly the same purpose according to the CAA. They may well have different service responsibilities but does that really warrant a salary difference for the grade of over £20,000 especially in these economic times. The ironic thing is WW it seems does not even want to touch their salaries......he is just expecting them to work for it.
You want a bit of balance well how is this? One of my best friends is a Monarch PU at LGW. She earns a lot more than me but a lot less than your LHR colleagues. Many have been asked to take voluntary redundancy. She is currently working on a 8/4 contract and all PU's/No 1's have taken a 10% paycut. Some may have to work as main crew next summer. All this is to support the company in difficult times. They have not striked or whinged about it on public forums or in the press, they have just got on with it. A testament to their professionalism I feel.
So you feel I'm "spiteful" again another personal attack. Well for the record when I saw the shop you refer to on the Meridian news I was appalled. However you might also want to remember the televised scenes we saw the other day at the UNITE ballot for strike action......absolute jubilation!! Maybe he reacted to that.
BA crew intentionally jeopardising Xmas for it's pax and being so happy about is IMHO about as spiteful as it gets.
Also to all of you who have not supported this action which I believe you are one I truly hope you are all OK for the future. I feel for any crew whose jobs are in jeopardy in this economic climate.......unless it is of their own making. We are all lucky to have jobs at present.
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Can I ask - have BA actually cancelled any flights yet? Just how have people 'lost' thousands of pounds?
It never ceases to amaze me how people are so ready to believe all the negativity from the media - does anyone except the taxman really know how much an individual really earns! I have friends at LHR (old contract) who tell me they earn considerably less than is being bandied about in the press and I have friends at LGW who earn more than has been mentioned on this forum.
I am not saying I support the strike but I really think the facts should be taken from the people in the know not from some hysterical media article or an anonymous post on an internet forum.
It never ceases to amaze me how people are so ready to believe all the negativity from the media - does anyone except the taxman really know how much an individual really earns! I have friends at LHR (old contract) who tell me they earn considerably less than is being bandied about in the press and I have friends at LGW who earn more than has been mentioned on this forum.
I am not saying I support the strike but I really think the facts should be taken from the people in the know not from some hysterical media article or an anonymous post on an internet forum.
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Virgin do not put you out to grass as you so eloquently put it (lol) once you are over 35, there are plenty of CC there that are over that age my son being one of them! One thing they do not get like BA crews do though is these £900 trip allowances when they do a Tokyo and I know that Tokyo is not the only route that BA get those enhanced allowances on.
They also dont get these long layovers down route like BA do. They work just as hard with less crew on flights - if they can do it so should you!!!!!
Virgin do not put you out to grass as you so eloquently put it (lol) once you are over 35, there are plenty of CC there that are over that age my son being one of them! One thing they do not get like BA crews do though is these £900 trip allowances when they do a Tokyo and I know that Tokyo is not the only route that BA get those enhanced allowances on.
They also dont get these long layovers down route like BA do. They work just as hard with less crew on flights - if they can do it so should you!!!!!
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F3G,
Thanks. I can assure you, it's very much appreciated! We're fighting a losing battle down here, as public perception has, understandably, bundled us all up into one group.
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Thanks. I can assure you, it's very much appreciated! We're fighting a losing battle down here, as public perception has, understandably, bundled us all up into one group.
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Just mentioned on the BBC News, apparently the baggage handlers at LHR are due to strike on Tuesday as well! Anyone know anything about this?
I hope that they are getting extra staff in at the Hayes Jobcentre if all this madness does actually go ahead!
I hope that they are getting extra staff in at the Hayes Jobcentre if all this madness does actually go ahead!
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Dollydaydream,
I suspect BA are waiting for the outcome of the court case and to find out exactly how many crew are willing to work before they start looking at which flights will go and which will stay. If it's anything like last time, they will attempt to protect the long haul services first.
As for the salary issue, as you probably know butothers may not, in this job, you will always be able to find those earning more and those earning less, than the published amounts due to the way trips are allocated. I, for example, don't tend to bid for the longer trips, therefore I earn less than someone that does. That is my choice and I have no complaints with what I earn. Unfortunately, at BA in particular, the averages tend to be artificially high, due to massive gap between new and some of the old contract staff.
Edited to add, only saw your last post after posting, but thank you!
I suspect BA are waiting for the outcome of the court case and to find out exactly how many crew are willing to work before they start looking at which flights will go and which will stay. If it's anything like last time, they will attempt to protect the long haul services first.
As for the salary issue, as you probably know butothers may not, in this job, you will always be able to find those earning more and those earning less, than the published amounts due to the way trips are allocated. I, for example, don't tend to bid for the longer trips, therefore I earn less than someone that does. That is my choice and I have no complaints with what I earn. Unfortunately, at BA in particular, the averages tend to be artificially high, due to massive gap between new and some of the old contract staff.
Edited to add, only saw your last post after posting, but thank you!
I understand that only one of the baggage handling companies at LHR is involved, and that consequently only a couple of airlines will be affected. Emirates, Thai, one other?
The problem for JSL, GG and others at lgw is PR. Like it or not - and I know you don't, 92% of an 80% turnout is - even for the NUM - a huge number in favour of a strike. Even Scargill did not get that sort of support.
Then, the "carefully released to the TV" camera shots of crew jumping in delight at "ruining granny's Christmas", and the leaking by the T & G that the Christmas date for the strike was the suggestion of the Socialist Workers Party, and Bassa's top team, means that anti-crew feelings are very high.
The PR battle has been lost, and the crew will not get it back.
All you can do as individuals is to keep the faith, keep talking to the waverers, and keep delivering a great service.
all the best
AO
Then, the "carefully released to the TV" camera shots of crew jumping in delight at "ruining granny's Christmas", and the leaking by the T & G that the Christmas date for the strike was the suggestion of the Socialist Workers Party, and Bassa's top team, means that anti-crew feelings are very high.
The PR battle has been lost, and the crew will not get it back.
All you can do as individuals is to keep the faith, keep talking to the waverers, and keep delivering a great service.
all the best
AO