'Bog' standard Ryanair
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Originally Posted by CARR30
The poster above who compared this all to a religious spat hit the nail on the head. Anyone would think that O'Leary was slaughtering the first-born of anyone who refuses to buy his tickets.
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...and calling all Ryanair passengers 'idiots' was hardly helpful either. I still think it's as mindless a piece of Ryanair bashing as you ever find on here.
Furthermore I'd respect these "perfectly properly-held opinions" of Ryanair more if they came directly from fare-paying punters rather than as warmed over second-hand comments relayed by people who seem to have a professional interest in seeing FR trashed.
Furthermore I'd respect these "perfectly properly-held opinions" of Ryanair more if they came directly from fare-paying punters rather than as warmed over second-hand comments relayed by people who seem to have a professional interest in seeing FR trashed.
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I've been on RyanAir quite a few times and have now just decided not to use them anymore because I don't like the way they operate. I don't work in the airline industry but I think, as a consumer, that RYR are just not for me, I'd much rather pay extra and travel with a legacy carrier. I travel a lot for my job (and we certainly don't use RYR) so maybe the fact that I've been exposed to a lot of other airlines affects my choice.
At the end of the day it's a matter of choice.
I've been on RyanAir quite a few times and have now just decided not to use them anymore because I don't like the way they operate. I don't work in the airline industry but I think, as a consumer, that RYR are just not for me, I'd much rather pay extra and travel with a legacy carrier. I travel a lot for my job (and we certainly don't use RYR) so maybe the fact that I've been exposed to a lot of other airlines affects my choice.
At the end of the day it's a matter of choice.
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Carr30,
I for one do not have a professional interest in trashing Ryanair.
I'm kind of guessing from many of your previous posts in other threads, that you have a professional interest in promoting them.
As a frequent flyer I know what I do look for in an airline. Ryanair does not offer what I want. I do not need to fly with them in order to understand that.
I for one do not have a professional interest in trashing Ryanair.
I'm kind of guessing from many of your previous posts in other threads, that you have a professional interest in promoting them.
As a frequent flyer I know what I do look for in an airline. Ryanair does not offer what I want. I do not need to fly with them in order to understand that.
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I have no professional interest in Ryanair. I just happen to own a house near Beziers and live near Stansted. Without the Ryanair links to Nimes, Montpellier or Carcassonne my travel arrangements would become a lot more expensive and certainly more inconvenient. As I've said before I flown these routes many times and also their services to Perpignan and Limoges. I've never had a serious delay, I've never been surcharged for luggage, the pilots have always spoken excellent English and the cabin crew have always acknowledge me when I enter and leave the aircraft. They've even offered to sell me a scratch card.
That's my story and that's all I can say on the matter. Personally, if I never needed to fly Ryanair I would have no interest in them one way or the other. Besides, the market has a habit of dealing very severly with uncompetitive or inefficient airlines.
Like the man said "at the end of the day it's a matter of choice".
That's my story and that's all I can say on the matter. Personally, if I never needed to fly Ryanair I would have no interest in them one way or the other. Besides, the market has a habit of dealing very severly with uncompetitive or inefficient airlines.
Like the man said "at the end of the day it's a matter of choice".
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Considering you are posting to a forum for Passengers and SLF, which is frequented by frequent flyers, I hardly think
Quote: "most passengers seem to turn into animals as soon as they set foot on an aircraft. Doesn't matter wheteher they paid tuppence-haypenny or £100 to fly, they treat the a/c and staff like ****"
is very polite.
But judging by your previous posts, I think it's obvious what your intentions are in making such clearly inflammatory comments.
Whether you have a nice day or not is kind of irrelevant.
So, what are my intentions? As far as I'm aware I replied to a thread, even if it wasn't in the correct forum, oh my god, the skies are falling on our heads, so what. You're right, it is irrelevant whether I'm having a nice day or not. Up to you what you do with yours. What you think is also irrelevant to me in case you hadn't noticed. And as frequent flyers you still don't fly as often as crews who do work hard to keep it expedient, safe and pleasant. I also do so. If I feel I have a reason to moan about a certain type of passenger then I will use my right to do so on this website, that's what it's for.
Don't get to worried about it, it's unlikely anyway that either of us will change our opinions by writing tart replies to each other.
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Considering you are posting to a forum for Passengers and SLF, which is frequented by frequent flyers, I hardly think
Quote: "most passengers seem to turn into animals as soon as they set foot on an aircraft. Doesn't matter wheteher they paid tuppence-haypenny or £100 to fly, they treat the a/c and staff like ****"
is very polite.
But judging by your previous posts, I think it's obvious what your intentions are in making such clearly inflammatory comments.
Whether you have a nice day or not is kind of irrelevant.
So, what are my intentions? As far as I'm aware I replied to a thread, even if it wasn't in the correct forum, oh my god, the skies are falling on our heads, so what. You're right, it is irrelevant whether I'm having a nice day or not. Up to you what you do with yours. What you think is also irrelevant to me in case you hadn't noticed. And as frequent flyers you still don't fly as often as crews who do work hard to keep it expedient, safe and pleasant. I also do so. If I feel I have a reason to moan about a certain type of passenger then I will use my right to do so on this website, that's what it's for.
Don't get to worried about it, it's unlikely anyway that either of us will change our opinions by writing tart replies to each other.
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I regualrly fly Ryanair Stansted to Graz ( about once a month).
So far all flights have been on time or within 15 minutes of published departure/arrival time except once when ALL flights were delayed due to a problem at Stansted with fog.
Prices are very good, staff have never been rude and are helpful when asked, the pilots always got me there safely and in moderate comfort (seat spacing being tight as we all know).
But for £29 odd quid return it is GOOD VALUE Mr O'Leary is in it to run a profitable business and will charge extras where he can and make savings when he can get away with it - so what is new, that is business?
Simple answer is if you don't like Ryanair then don't use them - that is your ultimate sanction. Implying any passengers who use RyanAir are lesser mortals and O'Leary is some sort of evil egomaniac will change nothing - in the words of Voltaire "Prejudice is opinion without judgement" - there seems to be too much of the former and too little of the latter in many of the posts in this thread.
My two cents worth.
So far all flights have been on time or within 15 minutes of published departure/arrival time except once when ALL flights were delayed due to a problem at Stansted with fog.
Prices are very good, staff have never been rude and are helpful when asked, the pilots always got me there safely and in moderate comfort (seat spacing being tight as we all know).
But for £29 odd quid return it is GOOD VALUE Mr O'Leary is in it to run a profitable business and will charge extras where he can and make savings when he can get away with it - so what is new, that is business?
Simple answer is if you don't like Ryanair then don't use them - that is your ultimate sanction. Implying any passengers who use RyanAir are lesser mortals and O'Leary is some sort of evil egomaniac will change nothing - in the words of Voltaire "Prejudice is opinion without judgement" - there seems to be too much of the former and too little of the latter in many of the posts in this thread.
My two cents worth.
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I wouldn't say that I think pax who fly with Ryanair are lesser mortals, but I do believe that some of them are rather inexperienced and possibly naive, judging by the stories in the media.
I fly about twice per week, more in busy times and have been travelling frequently since 1978, so think I have a reaonable view on airlines.
Suffice it to say that I use Ryanair as a carrier of last resort.
easyJet, however, have caused me to re-evaluate my view on them, because of their excellent new policy regarding cancelled and disrupted flights, which I recently experienced.
I will now use easyJet as a preferred carrier, as they can be relied on when the chips are down.
I wouldn't say that I think pax who fly with Ryanair are lesser mortals, but I do believe that some of them are rather inexperienced and possibly naive, judging by the stories in the media.
I fly about twice per week, more in busy times and have been travelling frequently since 1978, so think I have a reaonable view on airlines.
Suffice it to say that I use Ryanair as a carrier of last resort.
easyJet, however, have caused me to re-evaluate my view on them, because of their excellent new policy regarding cancelled and disrupted flights, which I recently experienced.
I will now use easyJet as a preferred carrier, as they can be relied on when the chips are down.
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That's interesting F3G. I took a quick look at the Delay and Cancellation bits of the T&C of Easyjet, Ryanair and BA.
Both BA and Ryanair are essentially the same i.e. we will give you what the law makes us, and nothing more. This is as one might expect.
Easyjet however do appear to provide more than what the law requires, and they put it in writing too! It looks like they will feed and accomodate you if the delay is not their fault. They also don't appear to have a clause which says the T&C which apply are those which are in place at the time of flight, not time of booking - an underhand move that another airlines has hit their passengers with recently. So good for Easyjet.
Both BA and Ryanair are essentially the same i.e. we will give you what the law makes us, and nothing more. This is as one might expect.
Easyjet however do appear to provide more than what the law requires, and they put it in writing too! It looks like they will feed and accomodate you if the delay is not their fault. They also don't appear to have a clause which says the T&C which apply are those which are in place at the time of flight, not time of booking - an underhand move that another airlines has hit their passengers with recently. So good for Easyjet.
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It looks like they will feed and accomodate you if the delay is not their fault
That is turning out to be very generous. It will be "good for Easyjet" if they can counter-claim from BAA.
That is turning out to be very generous. It will be "good for Easyjet" if they can counter-claim from BAA.
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My experience of Ryanair is that they will do their level best to avoid meeting the minimum legal requirements when a problem occurs. On the other hand my experience with BA is that they consistently provide more than the legal minimum when things go wrong.
I don't think it's fair to mention BA in the same sentence as RYR. BA is one of the largest airlines in the world, serving destinations all over the globe. RYR operate cattle trucks flying point to point on short haul european destinations to airfields in the middle of nowhere. There is nothing wrong with this but BA they most certainly are not.
Intrerestingly my employer will not allow me to book RYR flights despite the, apparent, cash saving.
Both BA and Ryanair are essentially the same i.e. we will give you what the law makes us, and nothing more. This is as one might expect.
I don't think it's fair to mention BA in the same sentence as RYR. BA is one of the largest airlines in the world, serving destinations all over the globe. RYR operate cattle trucks flying point to point on short haul european destinations to airfields in the middle of nowhere. There is nothing wrong with this but BA they most certainly are not.
Intrerestingly my employer will not allow me to book RYR flights despite the, apparent, cash saving.
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What would those 'experiences' be SXB? It would interest us all if the limitations of these companies could be illustrated with some personal accounts.
Firing off hackneyed phrases like 'cattle trucks' isn't very helpful either. The Ryanair fleet must be one of the newest around. I haven't seen a FR BAC 111 or 737-200 in ages and I think you'll find that they've all gone since your company last allowed you to use them.
Your sentence "I don't think it's fair to mention BA in the same sentence as RYR." was very funny by the way. A good use self-referencing irony.
Firing off hackneyed phrases like 'cattle trucks' isn't very helpful either. The Ryanair fleet must be one of the newest around. I haven't seen a FR BAC 111 or 737-200 in ages and I think you'll find that they've all gone since your company last allowed you to use them.
Your sentence "I don't think it's fair to mention BA in the same sentence as RYR." was very funny by the way. A good use self-referencing irony.
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Yeah, Carr30, Ryanair are right up there with BA!?
SXB is correct, Ryanair do operate cattle trucks on a purely point to point basis, with no connectivity, and invariably to little-used remote airports. Some people like that kind of thing, many others don't.
bmoorhouse Quote:"Implying any passengers who use RyanAir are lesser mortals and O'Leary is some sort of evil egomaniac will change nothing".
As regards MOL, he opens his mouth, and it becomes immediately clear the type of person he is. No implication is needed.
Just accept, ryanair is a cheap cheap cheap operation in every sense, with all that means for those who work for them, and fly with them.
SXB is correct, Ryanair do operate cattle trucks on a purely point to point basis, with no connectivity, and invariably to little-used remote airports. Some people like that kind of thing, many others don't.
bmoorhouse Quote:"Implying any passengers who use RyanAir are lesser mortals and O'Leary is some sort of evil egomaniac will change nothing".
As regards MOL, he opens his mouth, and it becomes immediately clear the type of person he is. No implication is needed.
Just accept, ryanair is a cheap cheap cheap operation in every sense, with all that means for those who work for them, and fly with them.
I'd give up 10secondsurvey. If Carr30 enjoys the RYR product, that's his/her choice. Just as it is our choice not to touch them with a barge pole. Hey, some people will swear that eating at McDonalds is a gourmet night out 
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Yes, I quite happy to indulge you with some personal experiences, I'll just choose the ones I can remember best.
BA
First one, a few years ago travelling SXB-CDG-LHR-EVN (EVN is yerevan, RYR don't fly there) A least the 1st leg of the journey was AF, maybe the second as well but I don't remember. Given the route I knew the chances of my luggage getting there as well was limited so I had toiletries and two changes of clothing in carry-on. On arrival at Yerevan my luggage wasn't there, nor was it on the list of delayed luggage that the BA rep knew about. In anycase she immediately gave me cash compensation and said even though I was travelling economy (they wouldn't let me travel club in those days) she would compensate me at the Business class rate because they were not equipped with those "emergency overnight kits" that some airlines give you. Bear in mind that I was on a multiple sector trip with different airlines and it wasn't clear where my bag was (side note, I don't know the legal position with luggage on a trip with two different airlines). The BA rep also gave me a lift into the city as my driver never up turned and she'd finished for the night (this is all taking place at about 2.00am)
The BA office in yerevan were excellent, they contacted me everyday but they had no news, nobody knew where my bag was located so I spent 10 days in yerevan constantly getting the hotel to wash the few clothes I had. On the return journey I turned up at checkin and the same BA rep handed me a business class boarding card as an apology.
My bag turned up 3 weeks later and had never left CDG.
More recently I had to begin a business trip from London (following on from another) to Ankara. To cut a long story short my morning flight from Ankara was cancelled because the flight the day before had an aircraft problem. They couldn't get me to Istanbul to pick up another connection because all the Turkish Airlines flights in the afternoon were full. They offered to put me in a hotel for the night and put me on the flight to LHR the following morning. I really wanted to get home that day because Spurs were playing live on Sky so I told them them I really needed to get back that day. After some debate in the office they booked me on a Lufthansa flight to Munich and then from there a direct flight to Strasbourg, a taxi from the airport to home saw me sat in front of the TV watching the pre match analysis. Their only obligation was to get me to my final destination which was Frankfurt.
RYR
Last year travelled with RYR from Baden Baden (I believe they call it Karlsruhe) After waiting for 3 hours was told the flight was cancelled because of bad weather in originating airport. Asked the agent which location that was and "she didn't know" Of course bad weather means no compensation.
Previously to that used them from SXB to Stansted, flight cancelled because of bad weather in originating airport, evening flight full so they offered to book us on the flight the next day. My wife, bless her frenchness, asked them if they could book us on the AF flight to Gatwick later that day
The above experiences illustrate the difference between the two airlines, BA are not stupid, they know I'm a FF with them. I normally use them for longer trips which means I'm travelling Club which means a lot of income.
RYR are a bucket airline flying between fixed points and they are dirt cheap but my experience in using them gives me the impression that they are not 100% with their information. Also I think they exploit a number of their staff and this, in itself, is enough for me not to use them.
My view is that BA are a real airline who fly all over the world, if you have a problem you aren't on your own and that goes for most legacy carriers.
Sorry to ramble on but carr30 did ask for specific examples.
Also, I'm not saying BA are perfect, like any airline they have their problems but my impression is that there is a genuine willingness to help. This certainly is not the case with RYR
What would those 'experiences' be SXB? It would interest us all if the limitations of these companies could be illustrated with some personal accounts
BA
First one, a few years ago travelling SXB-CDG-LHR-EVN (EVN is yerevan, RYR don't fly there) A least the 1st leg of the journey was AF, maybe the second as well but I don't remember. Given the route I knew the chances of my luggage getting there as well was limited so I had toiletries and two changes of clothing in carry-on. On arrival at Yerevan my luggage wasn't there, nor was it on the list of delayed luggage that the BA rep knew about. In anycase she immediately gave me cash compensation and said even though I was travelling economy (they wouldn't let me travel club in those days) she would compensate me at the Business class rate because they were not equipped with those "emergency overnight kits" that some airlines give you. Bear in mind that I was on a multiple sector trip with different airlines and it wasn't clear where my bag was (side note, I don't know the legal position with luggage on a trip with two different airlines). The BA rep also gave me a lift into the city as my driver never up turned and she'd finished for the night (this is all taking place at about 2.00am)
The BA office in yerevan were excellent, they contacted me everyday but they had no news, nobody knew where my bag was located so I spent 10 days in yerevan constantly getting the hotel to wash the few clothes I had. On the return journey I turned up at checkin and the same BA rep handed me a business class boarding card as an apology.
My bag turned up 3 weeks later and had never left CDG.
More recently I had to begin a business trip from London (following on from another) to Ankara. To cut a long story short my morning flight from Ankara was cancelled because the flight the day before had an aircraft problem. They couldn't get me to Istanbul to pick up another connection because all the Turkish Airlines flights in the afternoon were full. They offered to put me in a hotel for the night and put me on the flight to LHR the following morning. I really wanted to get home that day because Spurs were playing live on Sky so I told them them I really needed to get back that day. After some debate in the office they booked me on a Lufthansa flight to Munich and then from there a direct flight to Strasbourg, a taxi from the airport to home saw me sat in front of the TV watching the pre match analysis. Their only obligation was to get me to my final destination which was Frankfurt.
RYR
Last year travelled with RYR from Baden Baden (I believe they call it Karlsruhe) After waiting for 3 hours was told the flight was cancelled because of bad weather in originating airport. Asked the agent which location that was and "she didn't know" Of course bad weather means no compensation.
Previously to that used them from SXB to Stansted, flight cancelled because of bad weather in originating airport, evening flight full so they offered to book us on the flight the next day. My wife, bless her frenchness, asked them if they could book us on the AF flight to Gatwick later that day
The above experiences illustrate the difference between the two airlines, BA are not stupid, they know I'm a FF with them. I normally use them for longer trips which means I'm travelling Club which means a lot of income.
RYR are a bucket airline flying between fixed points and they are dirt cheap but my experience in using them gives me the impression that they are not 100% with their information. Also I think they exploit a number of their staff and this, in itself, is enough for me not to use them.
My view is that BA are a real airline who fly all over the world, if you have a problem you aren't on your own and that goes for most legacy carriers.
Sorry to ramble on but carr30 did ask for specific examples.
Also, I'm not saying BA are perfect, like any airline they have their problems but my impression is that there is a genuine willingness to help. This certainly is not the case with RYR
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Ba / Ryanair
I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT RYANAIR NOW CARRY
MORE PASSENGERS THAN BA
THAT IN ITS SELF TELLS YOU SOMETHING
AND FOR YOU NONE MC-DONALD EATING PAX
IF YOU WANT TO PAY EXTRA ££££ FOR FOOD
AND THE CON OF FUEL TAX GO AHEAD AND WASTE YOUR MONEY
MORE PASSENGERS THAN BA
THAT IN ITS SELF TELLS YOU SOMETHING
AND FOR YOU NONE MC-DONALD EATING PAX
IF YOU WANT TO PAY EXTRA ££££ FOR FOOD
AND THE CON OF FUEL TAX GO AHEAD AND WASTE YOUR MONEY
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I think you'll find the local bus company in Slough carry more passengers than BA but that doesn't mean they are providing the same, or better, type of service.
That said, let's assume you've sold me. I'm going to Baku again next week, now I'm assuming that because RYR are such a huge and professional organisation they fly to Baku. I've decided to take RYR but I want to have a seat that, more or less, folds into a bed, I would also like a four course dinner before retiring. Or maybe I'll watch any one of 15 movies. On the way back I'll drive to the airport but at the last minute I have a problem so decide to stay for another week. I'm assuming that my RYR business class ticket allows my secretary to call them, and get an immediate answer, and allow her to rebook a flight I should have been on hours ago to another flight next week.
In life, you get what you pay for...Enjoy your big mac
I think you'll find the local bus company in Slough carry more passengers than BA but that doesn't mean they are providing the same, or better, type of service.
That said, let's assume you've sold me. I'm going to Baku again next week, now I'm assuming that because RYR are such a huge and professional organisation they fly to Baku. I've decided to take RYR but I want to have a seat that, more or less, folds into a bed, I would also like a four course dinner before retiring. Or maybe I'll watch any one of 15 movies. On the way back I'll drive to the airport but at the last minute I have a problem so decide to stay for another week. I'm assuming that my RYR business class ticket allows my secretary to call them, and get an immediate answer, and allow her to rebook a flight I should have been on hours ago to another flight next week.
In life, you get what you pay for...Enjoy your big mac
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mmmmmmm
lets see
I have to fly to ROME
I book with BA, I have to fight my way through all the passengers
stuck a heathrow on top of that I have payed for my ticket
and now they want me to pay for the fuel on top they will
fly me to FCO and i will then make my way to ROME
but i dont feel bad because i have had a free small meal
or have they canx the rome flight ?
I could fly from stansted with ryanair and fly to CIA
as it is closer to ROME i pay less than half the price of BA
and there is a coach waiting upon my arrival to take me there
i dont have to pay for the fuel so i will have enough left for a Big Mac
Ba 14sep-18sep LHR-FCO £552.30
FR 14sep-18sep STN-CIA £113.75
I didnt think I had to buy a meal for all pax on BA flight
lets see how well BA will do when ryanair pop up in madrid
very very soon
I have to fly to ROME
I book with BA, I have to fight my way through all the passengers
stuck a heathrow on top of that I have payed for my ticket
and now they want me to pay for the fuel on top they will
fly me to FCO and i will then make my way to ROME
but i dont feel bad because i have had a free small meal
or have they canx the rome flight ?
I could fly from stansted with ryanair and fly to CIA
as it is closer to ROME i pay less than half the price of BA
and there is a coach waiting upon my arrival to take me there
i dont have to pay for the fuel so i will have enough left for a Big Mac
Ba 14sep-18sep LHR-FCO £552.30
FR 14sep-18sep STN-CIA £113.75
I didnt think I had to buy a meal for all pax on BA flight
lets see how well BA will do when ryanair pop up in madrid
very very soon
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Originally Posted by daz211
Ba 14sep-18sep LHR-FCO £552.30
FR 14sep-18sep STN-CIA £113.75
FR 14sep-18sep STN-CIA £113.75
BA LHR-FCO-LHR for travel 14/18 September is available for £60.00 + £46.30 = £106.30 total (1820 departure out, 1335 departure back).
The lowest FR fare for those dates is £37.98 + £28.77 = £66.75. (This involves 0610 and 0635 departures, which may not be to everybody's taste.)
So the cash saving, just looking at the tickets, by flying FR is less than £40. Not £440, as daz211 would like to suggest.
The difference between the train fare from Liverpool Street to Stansted and back, and the Tube fare to Heathrow and back, will make a serious inroad into the £40 before you count anything else.
In fact, I don't even know where this supposed fare of £552.30 comes from. For a leisure traveller, you could fly BA business class for £254.00 + £51.30 = £305.30 on the same flights. The fully flexible Club fare is a total of £754.30. So one wonders whether the quoted price of £552.30 was actually just fabricated.