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No toilet paper???
Jeeez I don't know how I would have done, everytime I have had to fly with FR (yes, I had no other choice) I had been literally wetting myself. I feel really unfomfortable and nervous on FR flights (I've had scary precedents) and I fly for a living. Go figure!!
I think FR is a success because it has opened the world of air travel to all those people who could not afford it in the past, however I am with SXB in this, not for me! I see their world from a cabin crew's perspective and I say thanks but no thanks!!
And one more thing for daz211, new aeroplanes are not a guarantee of fault-free aeroplanes. Some old planes are easier to fix and are much stronger. There's a debate going on on Rumour and news, worth having a look.
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Jeeez I don't know how I would have done, everytime I have had to fly with FR (yes, I had no other choice) I had been literally wetting myself. I feel really unfomfortable and nervous on FR flights (I've had scary precedents) and I fly for a living. Go figure!!
I think FR is a success because it has opened the world of air travel to all those people who could not afford it in the past, however I am with SXB in this, not for me! I see their world from a cabin crew's perspective and I say thanks but no thanks!!
And one more thing for daz211, new aeroplanes are not a guarantee of fault-free aeroplanes. Some old planes are easier to fix and are much stronger. There's a debate going on on Rumour and news, worth having a look.
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Why do you feel nervous, FBW? You don't have to like MOL or FR's way of doing business, but I find your prejudice insulting towards all the very professional pilots, cabin crew and engineers who provide a safe service for FR pax and who are not stupid or suicidal.
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Originally Posted by eidah
Why do you feel nervous, FBW? You don't have to like MOL or FR's way of doing business, but I find your prejudice insulting towards all the very professional pilots, cabin crew and engineers who provide a safe service for FR pax and who are not stupid or suicidal.
I was on the DUB-STN that had an engine fire in 2002 and I promise you the whole thing wasn't fun.
I am a cabin crew myself and I am deeply involved in aviation safety, CRM etc, so I think I have a sufficient knowledge to create an opinion for myself.
I love and enjoy flying, however I turn anxious only when I fly with them, so I avoid it.
MOL might have done lots of good (his employees might think otherwise but it's their own business) by making travel by air affordable for young people and people who couldn't afford it before, but made me anxious. So he won't get a penny from me.
No disrespect. It's just not for me!!!
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Originally Posted by flybywire
No toilet paper???
Jeeez I don't know how I would have done, everytime I have had to fly with FR (yes, I had no other choice) I had been literally wetting myself.
Jeeez I don't know how I would have done, everytime I have had to fly with FR (yes, I had no other choice) I had been literally wetting myself.
Originally Posted by flybywire
There's a debate going on on Rumour and news, worth having a look.
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I'm sorry you've had a horrible experience like that, FBW, but FR is hardly the only airline that's ever had an engine fire, it can happen to anyone. You're still here, so I assume the incident was handled professionally and all was well in the end.
Getting back to the toilet roll again... did they not have paper towels on board either? I happen to know that usually FR c/c are plagued by ridiculous amouts of napkins every day, so cannot imagine them running out. I personally don't care about the shape or colour of the paper if I have to wipe my arse (if this is too much information to someone, am truly sorry
), and can't quite understand why this would stop anyone else using the toilets. And if the said loos get blocked, well, that should teach the company to supply more toilet paper in the future!
Getting back to the toilet roll again... did they not have paper towels on board either? I happen to know that usually FR c/c are plagued by ridiculous amouts of napkins every day, so cannot imagine them running out. I personally don't care about the shape or colour of the paper if I have to wipe my arse (if this is too much information to someone, am truly sorry
), and can't quite understand why this would stop anyone else using the toilets. And if the said loos get blocked, well, that should teach the company to supply more toilet paper in the future!
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Originally Posted by CARR30
Literally wetting yourself? You literally need to see your doctor and consider incontinence underwear. From the cabin crew perspective cleaning up your urine is literally disgusting.
Where? You can't mean this rubbish http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=239918 surely.
I am looking for it at the moment actually, it's something about whether old aeroplanes are necessarily less safe than the new ones.
Eidah, you are absolutely right! However if you have a look at that incident again you'll understand what I mean....it was a long story about their SEP standards....
Anyway, it's enough from me you'll be glad to know, I've given the thread my 2cents, which I realise was a stupid thing to do as I could have bought a FR ticket with that money
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
Eidah
Care to share your thoughts on EI-CSA being landed in an incorrect config?
I'm sure that you an give us loads of comparable incidents at BA, AF, LH etc.
Care to share your thoughts on EI-CSA being landed in an incorrect config?
I'm sure that you an give us loads of comparable incidents at BA, AF, LH etc.
I've made my own mind up about how well this was handled.
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Exremely unfair comment slim slag. I have not commented on SW, I have simply stated my needs, which is that I need an airline that has a large route network all over the world, if an airline does not have such a network than they are of no use to me.
I am in Albania at the moment and I considered all airlines which fly here from my point of departure. Unsurprisingly the list was short, RYR don't fly here but some of my trusted legacy carriers do.
I have travelled with RYR in the past when paying out of my own money but as FBW says they simply are not for some of us. This applies to products and services in general, not just airlines. We all choose how we spend our money whether it be cars, restaurants, ISPs, chocolate etc
Anyway, back to the thick of it. Good old SXB says it's not a real airline if you don't get a seat assigned. Southwest doesn't assign seats therefore cannot be a real airline. SXB has never flown them and by his own admission says he cannot comment. But surely SXB that is what some here are saying, which is one shouldn't comment on an airline if you don't fly them? And by your specific definition of what a "real" airline is, you have indeed commented on Southwest.
People on here constantly say "I'd never fly Ryanair but they are cr@p because people on the internet say they are". Best of all are the ones on here who say "Well I think Ryanair are rubbish, but I flew them once and I was pleasantly surprised, but I wouldn't fly them again because they are cr@p"
People on here constantly say "I'd never fly Ryanair but they are cr@p because people on the internet say they are". Best of all are the ones on here who say "Well I think Ryanair are rubbish, but I flew them once and I was pleasantly surprised, but I wouldn't fly them again because they are cr@p"
I am in Albania at the moment and I considered all airlines which fly here from my point of departure. Unsurprisingly the list was short, RYR don't fly here but some of my trusted legacy carriers do.
I have travelled with RYR in the past when paying out of my own money but as FBW says they simply are not for some of us. This applies to products and services in general, not just airlines. We all choose how we spend our money whether it be cars, restaurants, ISPs, chocolate etc
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Originally Posted by CARR30
A CAA report of this incident is here http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/factor200437.pdf.
I've made my own mind up about how well this was handled.
I've made my own mind up about how well this was handled.
The overwing exits in an 800 are self-service exits. I'd say it's virtually impossible to stop pax using them in an evacuation, as no c/c is stationed there.
Care to share your thoughts on EI-CSA being landed in an incorrect config?
I'm sure that you an give us loads of comparable incidents at BA, AF, LH etc.
I'm sure that you an give us loads of comparable incidents at BA, AF, LH etc.
I can find BA, AF and LH, but NOT FR. Fair enough, FR hasn't been operating for as long as some of the other companies, but I think you can still see my point... Which is ACCIDENTS HAPPEN TO THE BEST OF US.
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Originally Posted by slim_slag
You appear to like to judge the relative costs of airline tickets by looking at a single trip. When I look at a 7 day period I am actually looking at all 28 possible trips. If I took a 31 day period I would be looking at all 496 possible trips. So I am doing exactly the same as you are, but just more of them. Then I take all the possible trips and apply real simple statistics to them to give a rough idea of relative costs. Most people would say the more data points the better, so most people would say looking at a long period is better than looking at a short period.
And the point I made before was that I'm sure that many other people have the same purchasing patterns. They, like me, don't have the luxury of saying I'll go the day before and spend the £140 saving on a hotel. I just can't go the day before. End of story.
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Whan you took your single data point you said BA was 'only' £40 more and that is completely correct, for that trip. It was also £40 more than £40.
Look at it another way. There is a petrol station selling unleaded for £1 a litre, and it takes 40 litres to fill your tank. Cost £40.
Across the road is another petrol station and it charges £2 a litre for unleaded, cost to fill your tank is £80. It's only £40 more, but which petrol station would you use?
Ah you say, but if I pay £2 a litre I get a free sandwich. Well it's your money and you can do with it what you wish. I would pay the £1 a litre and buy a nicer sandwich at Marks and Spencer.
Look at it another way. There is a petrol station selling unleaded for £1 a litre, and it takes 40 litres to fill your tank. Cost £40.
Across the road is another petrol station and it charges £2 a litre for unleaded, cost to fill your tank is £80. It's only £40 more, but which petrol station would you use?
Ah you say, but if I pay £2 a litre I get a free sandwich. Well it's your money and you can do with it what you wish. I would pay the £1 a litre and buy a nicer sandwich at Marks and Spencer.
I came back from Edinburgh yesterday evening. What did I pay the extra for? (Can't remember what the difference was, now - ticket bought some time ago.) Let me see. With a bag to drop (only because to new security requirements that mean the toiletries have to be in the hold
), total time from front door of terminal to joining the security queue: 4 minutes. Can't do anything about the security queue (20 minutes), but then had a pleasant 45 minutes in the lounge, with newspapers to read and complimentary drinks, sandwiches and snacks. And a computer to use for a quick check for urgent email, having been away all weekend. No need to rush to board, just a quick stroll over to the gate opposite the lounge entrance a few minutes before it closed - yet still able to take my pre-allocated seat alongside my travelling companions. And then a flight to my closest airport, less than 40 minutes away from my home, door-to-door by public transport; drinks and hot dinner en route.Not everyone will have all of these advantages from flying BA, but I do it (and BA's partners) frequently enough that I get them - so it works well for me. Yes, I think this is worth an extra £40, or even more. But maybe not £140. Either way, the value-for-money difference is a far cry from your simplistic example of petrol for £1 a litre or £2 a litre; it's much more subtle than that.
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Originally Posted by daz211
the best thing BA could have done was to sell up and keep
GO airlines as its main business what a mistake BA made
GO airlines as its main business what a mistake BA made
Originally Posted by daz211
I would be intrested to see pax number ( bums on seats)
stats for both airlines BA and FR I think that Ryanair is now
more popular than British airways and must have a more
modern fleet
stats for both airlines BA and FR I think that Ryanair is now
more popular than British airways and must have a more
modern fleet
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Carr30,
Out of 40 posts you have made in total on pprune, 37 are defending Ryanair with silly sarcastic comments. Of the three that were not defending Ryanair, two were attacking BA.
Like I said earlier, quite bizarre.
Out of 40 posts you have made in total on pprune, 37 are defending Ryanair with silly sarcastic comments. Of the three that were not defending Ryanair, two were attacking BA.
Like I said earlier, quite bizarre.
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Originally Posted by 10secondsurvey
Carr30,
Out of 40 posts you have made in total on pprune, 37 are defending Ryanair with silly sarcastic comments. Of the three that were not defending Ryanair, two were attacking BA.
Like I said earlier, quite bizarre.
Out of 40 posts you have made in total on pprune, 37 are defending Ryanair with silly sarcastic comments. Of the three that were not defending Ryanair, two were attacking BA.
Like I said earlier, quite bizarre.
Wake up 10secondsurvey, this is a thread about the relative merits of Ryanair and its competitors. I'm content that I've managed to mostly keep to the topic.
Please don't expect me to do the stats on your ramblings , that would require an obsessiveness beyond bizarre.
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Carr30,
Your cheap insults are not the same as reasoned argument.
The point is, that of all the posts you have ever made on pprune in every single thread on any topic, not just this one, you have promoted Ryanair in 37 out of 40, even in topics where nobody else has mentioned Ryanair.
I think the facts speak for themselves. I and others no longer believe a word of what you say.
On this and other forums, when someone is clearly posting with an agenda, as you clearly are, they lose all credibility.
Your cheap insults are not the same as reasoned argument.
The point is, that of all the posts you have ever made on pprune in every single thread on any topic, not just this one, you have promoted Ryanair in 37 out of 40, even in topics where nobody else has mentioned Ryanair.
I think the facts speak for themselves. I and others no longer believe a word of what you say.
On this and other forums, when someone is clearly posting with an agenda, as you clearly are, they lose all credibility.
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daz211, the numbers you are looking for are considered extremely important by airlines and their investors (which is fundamentally what both the airlines are about) and are published monthly by both the airlines concerned.
So the number of passengers carried in the UK/EUrope for July 2006 are:
BA: 2,303.000
FR: 3,198,977
Load factor is also reported, the figures for UK/Europe in July 06:
BA: 79.7%
FR: 90%
Whether that is a good guide of popularity is debatable, but I guess it's not a bad way of estimating it.
Regarding about insulting posts, quite a few posts on this thread have been deleted, which might make people look nicer than they really are
IMHO airlines are fair game for criticism, passengers who are legally spending their own money to generate revenue for these airlines are less fair game, and I am glad to see it appears the moderator looks at it in the same way.
So the number of passengers carried in the UK/EUrope for July 2006 are:
BA: 2,303.000
FR: 3,198,977
Load factor is also reported, the figures for UK/Europe in July 06:
BA: 79.7%
FR: 90%
Whether that is a good guide of popularity is debatable, but I guess it's not a bad way of estimating it.
Regarding about insulting posts, quite a few posts on this thread have been deleted, which might make people look nicer than they really are
IMHO airlines are fair game for criticism, passengers who are legally spending their own money to generate revenue for these airlines are less fair game, and I am glad to see it appears the moderator looks at it in the same way.
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Christ! Wish you hadn't brought me into this!
Actually, I don't think I've needed to do much deletion on this thread. I keep thinking that it has gone away, and then, like an opera singer for yet one more encore, it wanders back on stage... For the record, here's where I stand on FR (personal opinion, not that of PPRuNe):
Now that's been said, I will police this forum as best I can to ensure that the moderation is neutral, and that FR are treated fairly and have the option to respond to any and all criticism, and also that they receive the bouquets as well as the brickbats. In the end, this is a customer driven industry, and the customer will decide how best to spend their hard-earned income - and in the case of FR, they are choosing to spend it there.
Actually, I don't think I've needed to do much deletion on this thread. I keep thinking that it has gone away, and then, like an opera singer for yet one more encore, it wanders back on stage... For the record, here's where I stand on FR (personal opinion, not that of PPRuNe):
- Whatever any of us may think about FR, the fact remains that they are the most successful airline in Europe, by any criteria you can mention. The fact is that a majority of their customers are satisfied, and that this group of customers is expanding. Opinions about FR tend to be subjective - You like/admire them or you don't, sometimes based on personal experience, sometimes on principle: We all have the ultimate consumer sanction of taking our business away from them if we choose to do so. The fact is, by and large it doesn't matter what we do. There are millions of people who choose to fly FR and are happy with the product - not just the back-packers, students and sleep-on-the-floor-at-Stansted groups, but also the great British middle-class - the public, in their infinite wisdom, have decided that this is how they wish the airtravel market to be, and therefore that's how it is.
- For the record, I loathe FR and O'Leary with all my being. Together, in my view, they have destroyed any pleasure and quality of life for either customers or staff, that ever may have existed in the industry. I have never travelled with them, and never will, purely on principle. I would rather pay more for what, in my perception only, is higher qulity. That is my personal view, and I am clearly in a small minority: it is unlikely that MOL lies awake at night worrying about my views. Put all of that together, and it probably means I am wrong, or at least that my principles are poorly founded.
Now that's been said, I will police this forum as best I can to ensure that the moderation is neutral, and that FR are treated fairly and have the option to respond to any and all criticism, and also that they receive the bouquets as well as the brickbats. In the end, this is a customer driven industry, and the customer will decide how best to spend their hard-earned income - and in the case of FR, they are choosing to spend it there.