Pilot survives crash into Lake Hume
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No not really.....but yes I understand the cynical view.
The vast majority are sensible and responsible and even when doing something a little bit naughty have mitigated against the risks and getting caught.
These folk are self regulating, they do not need big brother all over them.
A small portion, do not seem to function that way....look at the Metro prang in FNQ.
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Preciisely, seems some folk do not get it. 
Or are serial forum trolls, either way
The vast majority are sensible and responsible and even when doing something a little bit naughty have mitigated against the risks and getting caught.
These folk are self regulating, they do not need big brother all over them.
A small portion, do not seem to function that way....look at the Metro prang in FNQ.
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Preciisely, seems some folk do not get it. Or are serial forum trolls, either way
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That is a joke, surely??
I think the "povo pilot" comments ring true in many situations. Guys with their half mil SR22's or Bonanza's generally don't chase boats around a Lake at 2 ft for fun because they are generally smart and successful people that understand the implications of what they are doing. They understand the financial and legal risks involved in flying an SR22 or Bonanza at 2 feet above the water knowing the risks of being caught or the fact that their insurance won't pay out.
Bring in John Average and his $10,000 very light ultralight with ASI and ALT representing the "panel" and you're more likely to see behaviour as we have seen because the loss of that aircraft is far less significant than the bigger example.
The Christmas Day 172 powerline fatality was a good example of this too, but was at the bottom end of GA. A dirty old 172, owner maintained because he wouldn't pay a mechanic, operated out of a 300 metre strip on the side of a hill because he was kicked out of all the strips he operated from for being dangerous.
Why do Flying Binghi's posts keep disappearing????
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What's the discussion here?
So an unlicenced bloke in an unregistered aircraft does a beat up on a boat full of unwary citizens...and then the bloke in the aircraft crashes. Which part of that story is good news for aviation?
Misunderstanding what Jabba has said, or taking quotations out of context, doesn't justify what the unlicenced bloke did in the unregistered aeroplane.
Jabba's points seem well made. From any perspective what unlicenced bloke did was wrong and he has been caught out. Not sure whether the unlicenced bloke is rich or poor, but the I think the message has been well made that RAAus is open to a broader spectrum of society. It's cheaper so there is no argument there. If they are going to police this kind of thing they will have their work cut out because this bloke wasn't even in the RAAus!
Misunderstanding what Jabba has said, or taking quotations out of context, doesn't justify what the unlicenced bloke did in the unregistered aeroplane.
Jabba's points seem well made. From any perspective what unlicenced bloke did was wrong and he has been caught out. Not sure whether the unlicenced bloke is rich or poor, but the I think the message has been well made that RAAus is open to a broader spectrum of society. It's cheaper so there is no argument there. If they are going to police this kind of thing they will have their work cut out because this bloke wasn't even in the RAAus!
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We can all sit here and post replies on what an idiot and a moron this "pilot" is but the real issue is how we, as responsable Pilots are viewed by the general public, I suggest a bit of this will rub off on all of us?
Also if he thought he was 500 feet above the water, maybe his eyesight is the reason he does not have a valid licence??
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Also if he thought he was 500 feet above the water, maybe his eyesight is the reason he does not have a valid licence??
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Why do Flying Binghi's posts keep disappearing????
...unlicenced bloke...
So far the only actual facts we have on the mater that i am aware of is the chap did not have an RAA certificate and that the aircraft was not RAA registered. The chap may very well have a CASA issued pilots licence though.
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What about this post that went missing?
Fair call though, any amount of regulation from either of the governing bodies be it CASA or RA-Aus won't stop this kind of thing happening in the future. It always has and always will.
Interesting question on what would happen if the pilot was a valid PPL holder or higher. It has been proven before in court that the PPL is a higher level of licence than the RA-Aus certificate, so that would potentially remove the unlicenced part. Won't matter much in the end.
Good video. Brings back memories from my old field, but long gone are those days now that everyone has a video or camer in their phone.
Sundry exerpts via Jabawocky # 59; “….mind you RAA never… …to RAA and… …Everything from RAAus… …seems to be coming from RAA folk, and when you weed out of the RAAus membership… … survey DID NOT include RAA… … to RAAus… … most of the RAA… …why is it the RAA… … most likely RAA as its cost to entry is far less… … my opinion RAA are most likyle going to be the ones with the increasing proflem… …this is not a slag off at them at all.
… yeah, not a slag off at all.. Jabawocky, ah sorta get the impression yer don’t like poor pilots…
Seems to me that the only ‘flung dung’ ah has seen on this subject is right here in thisa thread…
… yeah, not a slag off at all.. Jabawocky, ah sorta get the impression yer don’t like poor pilots…
Seems to me that the only ‘flung dung’ ah has seen on this subject is right here in thisa thread…
Fair call though, any amount of regulation from either of the governing bodies be it CASA or RA-Aus won't stop this kind of thing happening in the future. It always has and always will.
Interesting question on what would happen if the pilot was a valid PPL holder or higher. It has been proven before in court that the PPL is a higher level of licence than the RA-Aus certificate, so that would potentially remove the unlicenced part. Won't matter much in the end.
Good video. Brings back memories from my old field, but long gone are those days now that everyone has a video or camer in their phone.
aircraft was not RAA registered.
Agreed that it would not make any difference to the stupidity of the act, but curious all the same.
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It "WAS" RA-Aus registered, as in USED to be registered, but it wasn't financially current, like the pilot, thus un-registered and un-licenced and it was only ever a student licence at that. The rego numbers are still attached. The RA-Aus media release was that both aircraft and pilot (driver) were unlicenced.
It "WAS" RA-Aus registered, as in USED to be registered, but it wasn't financially current,
Actually, it doesn't sound like Raa is all that cheap.
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(Prices might be out of date)
$165 per year for membership (includes magazine and 3rd party insurance)
$220 for the first years rego on a 2 seater
$110 for subsequent years rego, renewable
In the GA world I paid $25 for lifetime rego although I believe that's now $135+.
It's not "cheap" but the insurance is worth while so it means you are only up for hull cover if you want it.
$165 per year for membership (includes magazine and 3rd party insurance)
$220 for the first years rego on a 2 seater
$110 for subsequent years rego, renewable
In the GA world I paid $25 for lifetime rego although I believe that's now $135+.
It's not "cheap" but the insurance is worth while so it means you are only up for hull cover if you want it.
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It's not cheap AE
A good cross country aircraft will set you back $130,000 +
The Jabiru sits underneath that at about $70 - $100,000 and then you have to keep replacing engines on much shorter cycles.
If you were looking to equate morons into the lower financial demographic you'd be seeing bad flying from the Dad's Army flying the scrap metal flotilla of C150's, 172's and PA28's, and even more in the people who just hire aircraft.
I'd suggest bad behaviour is across all demographics.
A good cross country aircraft will set you back $130,000 +
The Jabiru sits underneath that at about $70 - $100,000 and then you have to keep replacing engines on much shorter cycles.
If you were looking to equate morons into the lower financial demographic you'd be seeing bad flying from the Dad's Army flying the scrap metal flotilla of C150's, 172's and PA28's, and even more in the people who just hire aircraft.
I'd suggest bad behaviour is across all demographics.
Dad's Army flying the scrap metal flotilla of C150's, 172's and PA28's,
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Ok, so we have an annual renewal fee.
What happens if it is not renewed ?
Obviously letters and reminders would be sent out but would a list of currently registered and un-registered machines be sent through to CASA ?
I am not fully aware of the system in NZ but I think there would be an annual renewal across the board.
Most aircraft would be subject to an Annual Review of Airworthiness where all details are checked by the maintenance guy, (Flight Manual amendments etc) and then the return sent in to CAA.
This certainly applies to certified machines, - homebuilts and gliders will have a minor variation on that.
I am not sure what the micro-light and ultralight fraternity have in place.
The way I am reading this one is that if you are up to date with your subscriptions then you are an RAA member.
It seems strange that if you don't pay then are no longer under their auspices... even though the registration is still on the tail.
Would it not be in RAA's best interest to clamp down on these types. The aircraft fished out of the lake won't be alone. The organisation is loosing the subscription finances and also taking the bad Press, - as indeed we all are here.
Wasn't there an issue with either the licence or the registration of Mr F Wheel also ?
From where I am sitting this is not a good look. At all !!
What happens if it is not renewed ?
Obviously letters and reminders would be sent out but would a list of currently registered and un-registered machines be sent through to CASA ?
I am not fully aware of the system in NZ but I think there would be an annual renewal across the board.
Most aircraft would be subject to an Annual Review of Airworthiness where all details are checked by the maintenance guy, (Flight Manual amendments etc) and then the return sent in to CAA.
This certainly applies to certified machines, - homebuilts and gliders will have a minor variation on that.
I am not sure what the micro-light and ultralight fraternity have in place.
The way I am reading this one is that if you are up to date with your subscriptions then you are an RAA member.
It seems strange that if you don't pay then are no longer under their auspices... even though the registration is still on the tail.
Would it not be in RAA's best interest to clamp down on these types. The aircraft fished out of the lake won't be alone. The organisation is loosing the subscription finances and also taking the bad Press, - as indeed we all are here.
Wasn't there an issue with either the licence or the registration of Mr F Wheel also ?
From where I am sitting this is not a good look. At all !!
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That was my point also AE.
I find the suggestion that people who spend hundreds of hours building up a recreational aircraft produce the most morons just because they aren't rich an offensive suggestion and way off reality.
I find the suggestion that people who spend hundreds of hours building up a recreational aircraft produce the most morons just because they aren't rich an offensive suggestion and way off reality.
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A significant number of RA-Aus members did not renew their membership last year and the number of non-renewed aircraft was excessively large.
Either people are flying unlicenced and or unregistered or there are a lot of aircraft sitting in hangars not doing anything.
Lapsing rego is a pain in the butt as a L2 inspection would likely be required, even if the aircraft is owner maintained.
If someone chooses to not register their aircraft any more or not renew their membership, there is nothing that RA-Aus can do about it. They can't enforce removal of the rego numbers as they have no juristiction over the aircraft, nor does CASA in the same situation.
The F Wheel was a different scenario. Aircraft was supposedly registered but the supposedly the serial number didn't match.
Either people are flying unlicenced and or unregistered or there are a lot of aircraft sitting in hangars not doing anything.
Lapsing rego is a pain in the butt as a L2 inspection would likely be required, even if the aircraft is owner maintained.
If someone chooses to not register their aircraft any more or not renew their membership, there is nothing that RA-Aus can do about it. They can't enforce removal of the rego numbers as they have no juristiction over the aircraft, nor does CASA in the same situation.
The F Wheel was a different scenario. Aircraft was supposedly registered but the supposedly the serial number didn't match.
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The lapse in registrations and licences is probably financial,and the aircraft are probably sitting in the sheds.
After this incident there would be very few tempted to risk flying unlicenced - this will put a scare right through the industry.
Makes you wonder if the penalties are also severe for flying undendorsed.
The Ferris Wheel case has taken a strange twist if anyone wants to look at the thread on AP.
After this incident there would be very few tempted to risk flying unlicenced - this will put a scare right through the industry.
Makes you wonder if the penalties are also severe for flying undendorsed.
The Ferris Wheel case has taken a strange twist if anyone wants to look at the thread on AP.
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Just wondering where the very high speed very low flying video clip is going to take the rich-poor safe- unsafe debate because I'd bet a Citation to a Citabria that not one of those pilots had a red cent invested in any of those jets.
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You still do not get it do you
Being Rich or Not so rich has bugger all to do with the debate if you put it in the context you are using, The poor are not flying at all, period.
Back to what I actually said and meant was the gradient of cost, the income to fund and the level of common sense is somewhat tracable, albeit with blemishes along the way.
Fact is, that is life in the human race, and you can be offended as much as you like by your own chip on shoulder view, but the reality of life is such.
This sums it up well.
I am actively involved in the sport end of the industry, and I can tell you this allows a certain amount of exactly the same problem to participate based on budget. But we also see some Cashed Up Morons too. The thing is as the bar gets lower the chances get greater.
My earlier comments still stand, this reflects badly on all of us, up to the bottom of RPT. It will be the public perception that counts. It is RAAus who have the most to lose and to work on just by the facts of life mentioned above. The RFDS have a far lesser chance of having to deal with this problem than RAAus. The facts have been stated, so judge them as they are. Seems many here have and agree. Your view might well be different. I look forward to a far better analysis from you as to what you believe the situation is.
Cheerio!
You still do not get it do you
Being Rich or Not so rich has bugger all to do with the debate if you put it in the context you are using, The poor are not flying at all, period.
Back to what I actually said and meant was the gradient of cost, the income to fund and the level of common sense is somewhat tracable, albeit with blemishes along the way.
Fact is, that is life in the human race, and you can be offended as much as you like by your own chip on shoulder view, but the reality of life is such.
Guys with their half mil SR22's or Bonanza's generally don't chase boats around a Lake at 2 ft for fun because they are generally smart and successful people that understand the implications of what they are doing. They understand the financial and legal risks involved in flying an SR22 or Bonanza at 2 feet above the water knowing the risks of being caught or the fact that their insurance won't pay out.
I am actively involved in the sport end of the industry, and I can tell you this allows a certain amount of exactly the same problem to participate based on budget. But we also see some Cashed Up Morons too. The thing is as the bar gets lower the chances get greater.
My earlier comments still stand, this reflects badly on all of us, up to the bottom of RPT. It will be the public perception that counts. It is RAAus who have the most to lose and to work on just by the facts of life mentioned above. The RFDS have a far lesser chance of having to deal with this problem than RAAus. The facts have been stated, so judge them as they are. Seems many here have and agree. Your view might well be different. I look forward to a far better analysis from you as to what you believe the situation is.
Cheerio!