Pilot survives crash into Lake Hume
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You're wasting your time with the numpty Jab. I know most others get your point (except for one notable exception 
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I for one appreciate your efforts
most informative and thought provoking!
)I for one appreciate your efforts
most informative and thought provoking!
#141; ...The poor are not flying at all, period...
Hmmm... i've heard storys of builders of limited means building aircraft fer under 5 grand under the 95-10 reg's. .
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Jack's the man.
Well done Jabba, great effort; as always. Jack_R; as usual, spot on and said it all.
Remember Grass hopper - "the Woc that cooked the food is not the Chef".
It makes as much sense as the troll does.
Too many shut down threads from that 'poster' for you to worry about.
Children, there are Legal, aviation community and "public perception" issues here to worry about.
Again - If the public, through the press begin to think there is an issue, look out.
We, the 'aircrew' need to sort this out; perhaps a RAA /GA/ Airline statement that (to us_ sic collective) this episode is abhorrent to all, may help. (Spin it 'till it burns).
Sensitive little sausage, ain't it.
Remember Grass hopper - "the Woc that cooked the food is not the Chef".
It makes as much sense as the troll does.
Too many shut down threads from that 'poster' for you to worry about.Children, there are Legal, aviation community and "public perception" issues here to worry about.
Again - If the public, through the press begin to think there is an issue, look out.
We, the 'aircrew' need to sort this out; perhaps a RAA /GA/ Airline statement that (to us_ sic collective) this episode is abhorrent to all, may help. (Spin it 'till it burns).
Sensitive little sausage, ain't it.
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Exactly, and just what have the general public seen.
In the space of a few weeks we have made headlines yet again.
If you think about Joe Public's impressions.
One will be of an aircraft impaled in a Ferris Wheel just metres from two children, the other an aircraft just metres from a boat towing a child on a ski. They may even remember the wreckage being dragged from the water also.
That is that. If you ask them about the article they may say the pilots were unlicensed.
So that is the impression the media have portrayed, - and in this case they may be 100% accurate.
It is a matter for the aviation community to resolve... the only time aviation makes the news big time is when we have an accident or incident.
Sure the bad reporting irks us but the fact remains that we are creating the adverse publicity.
It worries me. I know it is been going on for a long time and may be difficult to turn around. ****, many of the instructors/Check pilots, in my log book are no longer with us.
I am afraid to pick it up and even look through the past entries.
Is aviation really this dangerous ?
In the space of a few weeks we have made headlines yet again.
If you think about Joe Public's impressions.
One will be of an aircraft impaled in a Ferris Wheel just metres from two children, the other an aircraft just metres from a boat towing a child on a ski. They may even remember the wreckage being dragged from the water also.
That is that. If you ask them about the article they may say the pilots were unlicensed.
So that is the impression the media have portrayed, - and in this case they may be 100% accurate.
It is a matter for the aviation community to resolve... the only time aviation makes the news big time is when we have an accident or incident.
Sure the bad reporting irks us but the fact remains that we are creating the adverse publicity.
It worries me. I know it is been going on for a long time and may be difficult to turn around. ****, many of the instructors/Check pilots, in my log book are no longer with us.
I am afraid to pick it up and even look through the past entries.
Is aviation really this dangerous ?
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Is aviation this dangerous?
These are just the very few abberations, but unfortunately they are the ones which attract attention and that gets us all fired up.
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Figures can lie WOC
Off that 9600 how many are or were prior to letting their CASA licences lapse actually GA/RPT pilots?
I do not know the answer exactly but most RAA folk I know are Airline and GA pilots, and if that is the case the stats are less overwhelming. My guess would be 35-40%.
Ask Tiz!
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Off that 9600 how many are or were prior to letting their CASA licences lapse actually GA/RPT pilots?
I do not know the answer exactly but most RAA folk I know are Airline and GA pilots, and if that is the case the stats are less overwhelming. My guess would be 35-40%.
Ask Tiz!
Glad you got it too
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I have been reliably informed that:-
Many, many years ago, manure from country farms was shipped, in sacks, into convenient ports to fertilize crops for the residents of the local big towns. Anyway, they inexplicably lost a large number of the boats that transported the stuff. Seems that Methane and salt water combined created an explosive gas which, when exposed to a candle flame, instantly destroyed the boats transporting the stuff. Well, the boys from Lloyd's sorted it out. New label on the bags – Ship High In Transit.
About the same time seems that London courts were experiencing a surge in cases of Forced Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Funny old time back then, wasn't it. Gotta love history, don't ya.!.
Aviation content – flying debris; (FOD).
About the same time seems that London courts were experiencing a surge in cases of Forced Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Funny old time back then, wasn't it. Gotta love history, don't ya.!.
Aviation content – flying debris; (FOD).
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15,600 ?
How do you get that?
6000 GA + 4800 RAA only perhaps?
Remember I do not claim to have actuals but from 9600 there are a heap of GA and RPT guys also. So let's not get carried away with unreal statistical analysis.
In the lighter end of aviation operations we have a problem that might bite us all on the ass one day. Maximum vigilance is required in the sectors where the risk of the morons getting the better of us all has the greater chance.
Maybe this is a method of achieving an acceptable means of compliance
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
How do you get that?
6000 GA + 4800 RAA only perhaps?
Remember I do not claim to have actuals but from 9600 there are a heap of GA and RPT guys also. So let's not get carried away with unreal statistical analysis.
In the lighter end of aviation operations we have a problem that might bite us all on the ass one day. Maximum vigilance is required in the sectors where the risk of the morons getting the better of us all has the greater chance.
Maybe this is a method of achieving an acceptable means of compliance
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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RAA has 9000+ members of which a lot are student pilots and a lot don't ever fly (like someone in this discussion who is a veteran armchair pilot), plus many of those are PPL to ATPL so it would be difficult to attempt to add those to come up with a total and even more difficult to work out how this is at all relevant to this discussion.
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Yeah. But!!.
..or at least...leave them 'grounded'.
How do "we" maintain credibility in the public eye, not ours. We know - but does Joe Public. They sure as hell understand their kids on a Ferris wheel etc. etc.
They could not tell a SAAB from a Cherokee on a good day, let alone the day after they buried their children.
...even more difficult to work out how this is at all relevant to this discussion.
Methinks poster Ultralights from another forum put it well -
"Why the big storm? Low flying. Nothing new. Unlicensed? Half of India's airline pilots have been found to be unlicensed
It's not an RAAus issue, it's a human issue. just give him a fine, suspend his licence, and get on with our lives."
( is it the same Ultralights as this forum ?)
And also from the other forum -
"The registration of the aircraft in question had expired some time ago. The Pilots membership and licence had also expired some time ago. This accident has nothing to do with RA-Aus and will not be investigated by RA-Aus" via J McQ
Thanks to WallsofChina for reminding me there are other forums out there..
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New evidence to hand suggests the pilot was trying to avoid birds that are prevalent over the Hume Dam.
great post though,,,except no one here will have any bearing on the out come,,,unless we storm the gaol and drag the bugger out to the nearest tree, I guess we'll have to leave it to the authorities to deal with the dumb ass !
The bottom line for all of us is that the cost of setting up a police state at every little bit of flat grass to catch the bad guys(gals) is ridiculous,,,the only way this kind of thing will be kept to a minimum (it will never be eliminated) is for those who care to grow some balls and deal with stuff like this on the field,,,we can start with a quiet word to the errant pilot,,,if no good ,,a public word may bring out others with similar concerns,,,,,if still no joy then off to the regulator ,,,, the reason this guy has got to where he is is because the other pilots at the field where he resides did nothing,,,the consequences are his alone but the other airfield users should be doing a lot of soul searching on why they stood by and did nothing,,,we need to ask our selves,,,would I have the guts to say something face to face and damn the repercussions or would I save my courage for an anonymous forum after the event.
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I think the "povo pilot" comments ring true in many situations. Guys with their half mil SR22's or Bonanza's generally don't chase boats around a Lake at 2 ft for fun