Pilot survives crash into Lake Hume
Either give this guy Four to Six years in jail or make aircraft a prohibited weapon.
By that I mean either an aircraft is registered to a licenced pilot, like a firearm, or it is destroyed or confiscated.
Sorry to be a cynic, but that is the way authoritarians will think.
Ask yourself how you can regulate aircraft. Criminal Law? Check.
Any aviation activity without a licence is a crime? Check.
Aiding and abeting Aviation? Check.
Give this guy Six years in the slammer. If it can be proved that anyone aided or abetted him, give them a few years as well.
Otherwise, why the **ck am I paying for a PPL, Medicals, biennial Flight reviews and that ASIC as well as filling out the blood sheet and the Maintenance release????????????
To put it another way, I want blood or my entire investment in trying to do the right thing is obviously wasted.
By that I mean either an aircraft is registered to a licenced pilot, like a firearm, or it is destroyed or confiscated.
Sorry to be a cynic, but that is the way authoritarians will think.
Ask yourself how you can regulate aircraft. Criminal Law? Check.
Any aviation activity without a licence is a crime? Check.
Aiding and abeting Aviation? Check.
Give this guy Six years in the slammer. If it can be proved that anyone aided or abetted him, give them a few years as well.
Otherwise, why the **ck am I paying for a PPL, Medicals, biennial Flight reviews and that ASIC as well as filling out the blood sheet and the Maintenance release????????????
To put it another way, I want blood or my entire investment in trying to do the right thing is obviously wasted.
Last edited by Sunfish; 7th Jan 2012 at 21:23.
By that I mean either an aircraft is registered to a licenced pilot, like a firearm, or it is destroyed or confiscated.
Wow, so Joe Bloggs cant invest in an aircraft to put on line then.
Hmmm, just wondering where that puts Alan Joyce then.
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This is no different to those on the road who drive drunk with kids in the back, or unlicensed, or do 130 in a 60 zone because they think their Hyundai Excel with sport stickers and a fart cannon is the same as a rally car. The 98% that do the right thing, take care and use common sense can only comply, they can't stop the idiots. The muppets out there are already doing illegal acts, more laws and nagging won't stop them. Unfortunately it takes an innocent party to come to grief at their hands before anything serious is done.
But once caught the system must be seen to apply the penalties. Otherwise I agree with Sunfish, if non-compliance has no penalty, what is the point in complying. CASA must be seen to take action on this - handing it off to the police to apply whatever they can make stick is a cop out (no pun intended), and if they cannot get a conviction out of this they don't deserve the job.
But once caught the system must be seen to apply the penalties. Otherwise I agree with Sunfish, if non-compliance has no penalty, what is the point in complying. CASA must be seen to take action on this - handing it off to the police to apply whatever they can make stick is a cop out (no pun intended), and if they cannot get a conviction out of this they don't deserve the job.
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I think for all the discussion we are still missing the point.
The man has lost his instrument panel and no-one here seems interested.
So much for the camaraderie amongst aviators.
The man has lost his instrument panel and no-one here seems interested.
So much for the camaraderie amongst aviators.
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I'm with you Sunny.
Unfortunately with thousands of policemanofficers on the streets, they still can't stop hundreds of unlicensed drink drivers from driving on our roads!
How CASA could do the same with less than 200 Operational people, I do t know how they could stop a dozen idiotser year would be a stretch.
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Unfortunately with thousands of policemanofficers on the streets, they still can't stop hundreds of unlicensed drink drivers from driving on our roads!
How CASA could do the same with less than 200 Operational people, I do t know how they could stop a dozen idiotser year would be a stretch.
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CASA should not need to try. Aviators are by nature and design meant to be a responsible and conservative with above average situational awareness skills.
That is self regulating and not in need of policing.
The problem is the bar has been lowered, that in most ways is a good thing, more opportunity for those with passion and less finances to participate, grow and learn. The downside is that it exposes us all to the greater chance of morons participating. Please refer to my largish post a couple of pages back if you have not read it for more details.
That is self regulating and not in need of policing.
The problem is the bar has been lowered, that in most ways is a good thing, more opportunity for those with passion and less finances to participate, grow and learn. The downside is that it exposes us all to the greater chance of morons participating. Please refer to my largish post a couple of pages back if you have not read it for more details.
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Please refer to my largish post a couple of pages back if you have not read it for more details.
Yeah great post Jabba!!
Obviously a subject you feel very passionate about.
Not sure about the above 'average' skillset argument??
...one only has to troll through the crash comic archives to see a number of examples where apparently highly trained, highly experienced pilots have come to grief....Bud Holland comes to mind!
Obviously a subject you feel very passionate about.Not sure about the above 'average' skillset argument??
I have mates who are ex jet fighter pilots who could do buzz jobs like that and way better all day ong in their Yak or even a Saphire UL, and not be any more dangerous than a Cessna overhead at 500'.....but I am not one of them, and nor are most of the RAA or GA community.
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The Dam Busters managed that one well Sunfish AND they did it at night!!!
Maybe this guy was dam busting but busted his plane by accident. There is no doubt a dam wall on Lake Hume, perhaps he had just watched the movie because really I can't think of many other reasons why he would be dumb enough to do what he did!
Maybe this guy was dam busting but busted his plane by accident. There is no doubt a dam wall on Lake Hume, perhaps he had just watched the movie because really I can't think of many other reasons why he would be dumb enough to do what he did!
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Quote:
Mr Bogaard yesterday said his memory was scratchy on what happened on Monday but was ruing the loss of the ultralight’s instrument panel.
“But I’m more concerned with the instrument panel. “I think it has been stolen after the crash, it was there in the water but no one knows where it has gone.”
With all this going on, he's worried about his missing ASI and ALT
Mr Bogaard yesterday said his memory was scratchy on what happened on Monday but was ruing the loss of the ultralight’s instrument panel.
“But I’m more concerned with the instrument panel. “I think it has been stolen after the crash, it was there in the water but no one knows where it has gone.”
With all this going on, he's worried about his missing ASI and ALT
I sense a conspiracy here. The panel may have the needle jammed at 510 feet.
Mr Bogaard could be deprived an opportunity to prove his innocence... are the Police, or CASA, that corrupt ?
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I would have thought, not having the instrument panel would be more in his favour!
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Hmmm... whats the thread subject chap accused of doing. Flying around a lake chasing his mates speedboat or something... and some want to hang him..
From what i see's of the boaty's down the Gold Coast and nearby lakes it is near mayhem at the best of times - Dont think a small plane in the mix would make any diference at all.
Fer some other context... We currently have the Australian government aiding and abbeting the Sea Shepherd terrorist group. Thats the clowns that go around ramming ocean going boats, foul the propellors of ocean going boats, shine lazer beams into the eye's of ship's captains, throw incendurys onto the decks of ocean going boats, etc... and recently, the Sea Shepherd terrorists have publicly stated that this year people will die. Whats the Oz government doing..?
Up North the Bob Brown/Gillard led Labore party is directly responsible for the deaths of hundred's of innocent boat people. Gillard is still sitting fat dumb and happy in Canberra and Bob Brown is still off with the fairys.
Looking at it, all our thread subject pilot needed to do before flying near the lake were to become a member of Sea Shepherd and the Greens then he coulda flown over the lake at his hearts content and sunk as many boatys as he liked and all that woulda happened is Bob Brown Woulda blamed Murdoch for it all...
....oh, and Jabawocky would still blame poor pilots and the RAA..
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Hmmm... whats the thread subject chap accused of doing. Flying around a lake chasing his mates speedboat or something... and some want to hang him..
From what i see's of the boaty's down the Gold Coast and nearby lakes it is near mayhem at the best of times - Dont think a small plane in the mix would make any diference at all.Fer some other context... We currently have the Australian government aiding and abbeting the Sea Shepherd terrorist group. Thats the clowns that go around ramming ocean going boats, foul the propellors of ocean going boats, shine lazer beams into the eye's of ship's captains, throw incendurys onto the decks of ocean going boats, etc... and recently, the Sea Shepherd terrorists have publicly stated that this year people will die. Whats the Oz government doing..?
Up North the Bob Brown/Gillard led Labore party is directly responsible for the deaths of hundred's of innocent boat people. Gillard is still sitting fat dumb and happy in Canberra and Bob Brown is still off with the fairys.
Looking at it, all our thread subject pilot needed to do before flying near the lake were to become a member of Sea Shepherd and the Greens then he coulda flown over the lake at his hearts content and sunk as many boatys as he liked and all that woulda happened is Bob Brown Woulda blamed Murdoch for it all...
....oh, and Jabawocky would still blame poor pilots and the RAA..
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So far he's accused of not having a licence (2 years gaol), and not having the aircraft registered (2 years gaol).
It's yet to be established if he's poor, but God help him if he is because in that case according to Jabba, that would make him a moron, or would he then get off?
It's yet to be established if he's poor, but God help him if he is because in that case according to Jabba, that would make him a moron, or would he then get off?
No, his actions make him a moron not his financial status. He wasn't chasing a mate's boat according to the newspaper article but scaring the daylights out of a family enjoying a bit of boating. The fact that he eventually collided with the water is evidence of, at the minimum, a lack of judgement as to what could possibly go wrong with his "maneouvres". The problem with low flying, other than for legitimate reasons, is it is usually part of a desire to show off. The ATSB has plenty of examples of where the desire to show the world how good their skills are have resulted in misery for a lot more people than just the pilot.
