Pilot survives crash into Lake Hume
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I'd like to quote some of your comments there to a few others.
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I witnessed an accident many years ago at an airshow. Row of aeroplanes parked either side of a temporary grass runway - made inactive as a runway to be used for parking as heavy rain had made other parking areas unusable. An aeroplane (it looked like an aeroplane anyway) started moving very quickly along the clear space between the rows of parked aircraft. My guess is that it would have got off the ground before long but it didn't fly, that day anyway. I don't know how it got there in the first place.
Its wingtip clipped the spinner of one aeroplane which caused it to spin around 90 deg to the left and chop through the wing of a new homebuilt. Splinters flying everywhere.
Talking to the owner of the homebuilt later: the driver of the other vehicle didn't have a licence, the aeroplane wasn't registered nor insured. It didn't fly so CASA wasn't going to do anything - not a pilot, not an aeroplane.
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I re-post the link of the photos of the incident:
Crash plane 'buzzed my son' - Local News - News - General - The Border Mail
Have a look at these and see if you can see what I can see!!
Crash plane 'buzzed my son' - Local News - News - General - The Border Mail
Have a look at these and see if you can see what I can see!!
Have a look at these and see if you can see what I can see!!
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Have a look at these and see if you can see what I can see!!
We have crocs in the water and UFO's in the distance.
Were they photoshopped out of your one ?
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Pay attention XXX, I was agreeing with Jabawocky and trying to add something to the discussion until the bias came out.
The problem I see is that the cowboy element will congregate somewhere, and by the description I posted previously, this will not be likely in Airlines or the heavy end of GA (Transair crash excepted) so that leaves the mid to light end of GA. You have already read I trust my thoughts on where and why they will be higly concentrated in RAA and why I think RAA has the greatest problems to deal with.
This is not slagging RAAus, nor is it a mine is bigger than yours exercise. I dare say my RAAus certificate is exactly the same size as yours, it may contain more or less endorsements though. My PPL and CIR is about the same size as most others too I would assume. There is no such willy wagging going on here at all. Despite what the serial pest troll has conjured up in his posts
No doubt the majority of posters have seen them for what they are.
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If we accept that cowboys cost us dearly in the end, the question is, how do we weed them out?
CASA FoI's and RAAus Ops people are too thin on the ground to catch every cowboy, so maybe CFI's should be paid more to take on a stronger administrative role, maybe given some powers to do it also?
CASA FoI's and RAAus Ops people are too thin on the ground to catch every cowboy, so maybe CFI's should be paid more to take on a stronger administrative role, maybe given some powers to do it also?
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Not every airport has a CFI or flying school and a CFI has zero control over licenced or unlicensed pilots. The field mentioned earlier with a poor licence and rego record has has no flying school presence and no CFI and it wouldn't matter anyway if they did. If there was one he would quickly become the town dobber and likely end up underground. I could have been flying unlicenced for the last 10 years and nobody would have known the status of my licence. It's possibly for someone to be a loaner and not talk to anyone about their flying or medical status.
You will never get rid of this element of aviation. Same goes for driving on the roads. The system is there and the penaties exists, SHOULD you choose to follow the system.
You will never get rid of this element of aviation. Same goes for driving on the roads. The system is there and the penaties exists, SHOULD you choose to follow the system.
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Sad but true XXX, sad but true.
And as an ex CFI, we are expected to be a representitive of CASA when it came such matters of poor airmanship or illegal practices. It always ends in a war of animosity on the airport. Not good!
So you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. And like you said they'll just pack up and go somewhere.
I'm just waiting to hear back from my Dad who lives in Wodonga. Apparently there is more to this guys adventures.
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And as an ex CFI, we are expected to be a representitive of CASA when it came such matters of poor airmanship or illegal practices. It always ends in a war of animosity on the airport. Not good!
So you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. And like you said they'll just pack up and go somewhere.
I'm just waiting to hear back from my Dad who lives in Wodonga. Apparently there is more to this guys adventures.
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Plane In NC Accident Suffered Fuel Exhaustion | Aero-News Network
We have this crash in the States just a few weeks ago. The guy seems to have been trying to land his Tomahawk in a paddock adjacent to his house.
I keep telling the owners of certified machines.... if you want to do your own maintenance and not log it then why would you bother doing medicals and renewals.
It is pointless having a legal licence and then fly about in your machine with an invalidated C of A.
This guy seems to have gone a step beyond that, - he may have been trying to save too much of his fuel dollar.
We have this crash in the States just a few weeks ago. The guy seems to have been trying to land his Tomahawk in a paddock adjacent to his house.
I keep telling the owners of certified machines.... if you want to do your own maintenance and not log it then why would you bother doing medicals and renewals.
It is pointless having a legal licence and then fly about in your machine with an invalidated C of A.
This guy seems to have gone a step beyond that, - he may have been trying to save too much of his fuel dollar.
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Many RA Instructors are also GA instructors a situation that reflects the cost of operating a GA fleet that burns avgas by the bucketful.
I own a VH registered aircraft and have held a PPL for more than 30 years. I started flying long before that when I took up gliding and I also have an RA certificate.
My experience is that all of us who fly responsibly for pleasure strive to improve our skills and genuinely promote safety in aviation irrespective of our registration and licensing system. There will always be a small minority which tries hard to make life miserable for the rest of us.
We should be standing up, not as GA or RA devotees but as pilots united together expressing our contempt for and disassociation from the activities that allegedly occured at lake Hume.
If we can't fly united together we shall surely fall foul of the regulator, the media and government and be grounded together.
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I own a VH registered aircraft and have held a PPL for more than 30 years. I started flying long before that when I took up gliding and I also have an RA certificate.
My experience is that all of us who fly responsibly for pleasure strive to improve our skills and genuinely promote safety in aviation irrespective of our registration and licensing system. There will always be a small minority which tries hard to make life miserable for the rest of us.
We should be standing up, not as GA or RA devotees but as pilots united together expressing our contempt for and disassociation from the activities that allegedly occured at lake Hume.
If we can't fly united together we shall surely fall foul of the regulator, the media and government and be grounded together.
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Simple: Close Holbrook and sell the land.
Same goes for any other airport that allows someone to depart without checking.
If an aircraft is unregistered then clamp it to make sure it is NOT going anywhere.
If you want access, present your licence.
If you want fuel, present your licence.
If you want ANYTHING present your licence.
No licence? then **** off.
Same goes for any other airport that allows someone to depart without checking.
If an aircraft is unregistered then clamp it to make sure it is NOT going anywhere.
If you want access, present your licence.
If you want fuel, present your licence.
If you want ANYTHING present your licence.
No licence? then **** off.
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That's not a half bad idea Sunfish, however who will pay for this level of enforcement 24x7, the airfield operator or the government? Also, who will monitor those pilots that fly from local fields and run on mogas all over Australia?
Good idea (seriously), but practically I can't see it working very well.
Good idea (seriously), but practically I can't see it working very well.
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Brilliant,
Penalise the innocent
Sell land that doesn't belong to you
Draw kids cartoons
Do you know if he even flew from Holbrook's airfield, and not a farm?
Wasn't this the site that was advertising no confidence in CASA?
Penalise the innocent
Sell land that doesn't belong to you
Draw kids cartoons
Do you know if he even flew from Holbrook's airfield, and not a farm?
Wasn't this the site that was advertising no confidence in CASA?
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Wasn't this the site that was advertising no confidence in CASA?
CASA integrity survey.
No confidence in CASA.
Puzzled now. (Not being too bright at all). Why does he wonder how all this occurred ?; after all the Senate swallowed the last lot of pony pooh, didn't they ??. Huh, they did, yes, yes ??.
They did, it's all cool boys, so back to the trough.
High Ho – away we go.
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A wing and perhaps a last prayer
Kindly specify the names of those whom the Commonwealth DPP have prosecuted for breaches of the Civil Aviation Act/Regulations whom you claim "CASA has prosecuted" who were "innocent". Thank you.
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My point is this person is facing two years imprisonment for being unlicensed, two years imprisonment for being unregistered plus whatever else the police decide to throw at him.
I think that's an adequate message to tone down a lot of cowboys.
Your the one supporting selling off an innocent party's property.
Oh and by the way, guess again.
What is your point Wallsofchina (aka Turboplanner), what is your magical solution to this problem?
I think that's an adequate message to tone down a lot of cowboys.
Your the one supporting selling off an innocent party's property.
Oh and by the way, guess again.
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