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I would really appreciate if someone could answer my query.
In the requirements, it states that 200 hours multi time is required. Will SIC time on a Twin Otter RPT in Papua be considered?
For the B737 FO position. What about if a candidate has prior 737 experience but does not meet the 500 hours multi time requirement?
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In the requirements, it states that 200 hours multi time is required. Will SIC time on a Twin Otter RPT in Papua be considered?
For the B737 FO position. What about if a candidate has prior 737 experience but does not meet the 500 hours multi time requirement?
Kind regards
flyboy
As it stands at the moment Virgin are currently not taking on new applicants (Refer to their website) on the boeing or ejet fleets. Im assuming the 200 multi is the ATR position. It doesn't state PIC multi 200hrs so if you have 200 multi hours then you meet that requirement.
Regarding the 500 multi, regardless of whether you have prior 737 time or not if you do not meet the 500 multi time figure then I'd imagine that you would not be shortlisted as you do not the this min requirement.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
As it stands at the moment Virgin are currently not taking on new applicants (Refer to their website) on the boeing or ejet fleets. Im assuming the 200 multi is the ATR position. It doesn't state PIC multi 200hrs so if you have 200 multi hours then you meet that requirement.
Regarding the 500 multi, regardless of whether you have prior 737 time or not if you do not meet the 500 multi time figure then I'd imagine that you would not be shortlisted as you do not the this min requirement.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Keep your stuff in and keep updating, but to be frank with you the place looks overstaffed with pilots to me. Obviously as always things can change at a moments notice. Suggest also updating with Tiger and Jetstar. Seniority in king in Australia.
So what's the latest from inside Virgin as to courses? I have been told that most of the crews, particularly the 737 guys are working like blue butt flies, even being asked to come in on days off due to crew shortages. Are these real shortages??
Hopefully hear something soon!!
Hopefully hear something soon!!
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A combined seniority list is so far down everyone's priority list (VAA, VARA, SALPA etc.) it's not funny. Don't go for an ATR gig thinking you're going to fly a 737 in a couple of years.
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If there was a chance that one could move across easily I would, however doesnt make sense for me with 3000hrs on a turboprop to move over to another turboprop. Sideways move I think
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If there was a chance that one could move across easily I would, however doesnt make sense for me with 3000hrs on a turboprop to move over to another turboprop. Sideways move I think
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Here is a paragraph from the last V Aus hold file email I got a few months ago.
'We currently have opportunities for First Officers on the ATR fleet and will be advertising for these positions shortly. Please note that these opportunities are being managed separately to recruitment for our mainline and international fleets with a separate recruitment process and selection criteria.'
That was sent on the 28th of May.
Cheers.
PA
'We currently have opportunities for First Officers on the ATR fleet and will be advertising for these positions shortly. Please note that these opportunities are being managed separately to recruitment for our mainline and international fleets with a separate recruitment process and selection criteria.'
That was sent on the 28th of May.
Cheers.
PA
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Not the full story apparently, Squark.
VARA enjoy Business class travel as part of their award. The powers that be want to get rid of that and have said "ok. No staff travel for you lot until you align with the rest of the group and pax in Economy like everybody else".
The issue of career progression is a curly one: many in VAA think that it is reasonable and beneficial to have a group list. The rub is that many of the XR pilots have been there for 20+ years. The senior guys at VAA don't want any 'queue jumping' that puts them at a potential disadvantage.
The XR guys don't want to be tacked onto the bottom of the list, either, and who could blame them.
VARA enjoy Business class travel as part of their award. The powers that be want to get rid of that and have said "ok. No staff travel for you lot until you align with the rest of the group and pax in Economy like everybody else".
The issue of career progression is a curly one: many in VAA think that it is reasonable and beneficial to have a group list. The rub is that many of the XR pilots have been there for 20+ years. The senior guys at VAA don't want any 'queue jumping' that puts them at a potential disadvantage.
The XR guys don't want to be tacked onto the bottom of the list, either, and who could blame them.
Additional to the above
I think it's only the SkyWest Pilots who get the Duty Business Travel hence the policy of No Staff Travel entitlements for all employees until the Pilots capitulate.
J Class duty travel will be a non event when Virgin set up a sim centre in Australia. If the SkyWest boys don't barter the J Class entitlement now for some extra conditions/pay then they will have achieved nought when they realise they have an entitlement in their award which serves no purpose and no staff travel as well.
Industrial strength is not necessarily Industrial savvy.
As far as the integration I am still dumfounded as to why the company is sending out messages that it is their want.
I see no purpose for them and whilst a united pilot group industrially is a worthy goal for us pilots I do not see many current VAA pilots looking at moving onto the ATR fleet.
With that said I personally think the issue of integration will become so troublesome that both the company and the VAA pilots will accept that it provides no benefit to either party and consequently it is not a path that they collectively want to go down and VARA will remain a separate entity with the ability to apply for positions on the bottom before an outsider but not an entitlement.
The next 12 months will be critical as to whether we become one list or remain two and I think the SkyWest crews should consider well what they stand to gain or most definitely will lose.
My two cents
I think it's only the SkyWest Pilots who get the Duty Business Travel hence the policy of No Staff Travel entitlements for all employees until the Pilots capitulate.
J Class duty travel will be a non event when Virgin set up a sim centre in Australia. If the SkyWest boys don't barter the J Class entitlement now for some extra conditions/pay then they will have achieved nought when they realise they have an entitlement in their award which serves no purpose and no staff travel as well.
Industrial strength is not necessarily Industrial savvy.
As far as the integration I am still dumfounded as to why the company is sending out messages that it is their want.
I see no purpose for them and whilst a united pilot group industrially is a worthy goal for us pilots I do not see many current VAA pilots looking at moving onto the ATR fleet.
With that said I personally think the issue of integration will become so troublesome that both the company and the VAA pilots will accept that it provides no benefit to either party and consequently it is not a path that they collectively want to go down and VARA will remain a separate entity with the ability to apply for positions on the bottom before an outsider but not an entitlement.
The next 12 months will be critical as to whether we become one list or remain two and I think the SkyWest crews should consider well what they stand to gain or most definitely will lose.
My two cents
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Have to disagree strongly there Ad, you're missing a lot of info and making several incorrect assumptions.
As for Skywest pilots, of course they're considering things jeez
As for Skywest pilots, of course they're considering things jeez
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That was the way it was described to me Puff.
Hence my statement that when the International Sim duties are curtailed due to an Australian based simulator then there will be no real use of the J class paxing provisions.
I have no beef whichever way the SkyWest guys move as it is a provision in their current Award that they fought for but as an outsider looking in I can only see Virgin moving towards an Australian based simulator sooner rather than later.
Capt. On Heat, my only association with the SkyWest Pilots thought process is from conversations with about 4 of your compatriots over here in Brisbane. Yes a very small sampling but to the man they were quite robust in their attitude towards not ever giving away their hard fought for J class travel.
It is theirs to decide.
My only exposure regarding the expectations of integration is the report of phone calls to VAA Management enquiring of when the impending 777 positions would be awarded to SkyWest pilots.
I genuinely hope a seamless and fair integration does occur but I do see some obstacles that will most definitely muddy the waters.
No assumptions and I am sure there is a lot being considered behind the scenes.
Good Luck
Hence my statement that when the International Sim duties are curtailed due to an Australian based simulator then there will be no real use of the J class paxing provisions.
I have no beef whichever way the SkyWest guys move as it is a provision in their current Award that they fought for but as an outsider looking in I can only see Virgin moving towards an Australian based simulator sooner rather than later.
Capt. On Heat, my only association with the SkyWest Pilots thought process is from conversations with about 4 of your compatriots over here in Brisbane. Yes a very small sampling but to the man they were quite robust in their attitude towards not ever giving away their hard fought for J class travel.
It is theirs to decide.
My only exposure regarding the expectations of integration is the report of phone calls to VAA Management enquiring of when the impending 777 positions would be awarded to SkyWest pilots.
I genuinely hope a seamless and fair integration does occur but I do see some obstacles that will most definitely muddy the waters.
No assumptions and I am sure there is a lot being considered behind the scenes.
Good Luck
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Slightly off the mark ad-Astra
VOZ withheld Staff travel from all employees until the pilots gave up business class to the sim. No bargaining just.....give it up. After some common sense by the company and pressure from the pilots the rest of Skywest and some pilots now have staff travel but a large percentage have decided not to give their CA conditions until a proper discussion can be held at negotiation time. Oddly the pilots have already been paxing in Virgin aircraft in economy against their CA out of good will the last 2 years. However If you believe doing a long haul flight in economy and having 10 hours off before going into the sim is ok then that is fine but most pilots don't, hence the need for proper discussion
Regardless of when, where and if the sim arrives in 12 months some training will still need to be done overseas due to the large volume of pilots the company has and will have. So as I said above discussion is required to ensure fatigue is managed and pilots jobs are safe.
As far as group seniority goes it really isn't on the priority list, most pilots are concerned with many other larger issues that need to be sorted before this.
Misinformation on this forum and the crew room helps no ones cause (pilot or company).
Now I'm retreating back to being the occasional reader never poster I should be.
VOZ withheld Staff travel from all employees until the pilots gave up business class to the sim. No bargaining just.....give it up. After some common sense by the company and pressure from the pilots the rest of Skywest and some pilots now have staff travel but a large percentage have decided not to give their CA conditions until a proper discussion can be held at negotiation time. Oddly the pilots have already been paxing in Virgin aircraft in economy against their CA out of good will the last 2 years. However If you believe doing a long haul flight in economy and having 10 hours off before going into the sim is ok then that is fine but most pilots don't, hence the need for proper discussion
Regardless of when, where and if the sim arrives in 12 months some training will still need to be done overseas due to the large volume of pilots the company has and will have. So as I said above discussion is required to ensure fatigue is managed and pilots jobs are safe.
As far as group seniority goes it really isn't on the priority list, most pilots are concerned with many other larger issues that need to be sorted before this.
Misinformation on this forum and the crew room helps no ones cause (pilot or company).
Now I'm retreating back to being the occasional reader never poster I should be.
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report of phone calls to VAA Management enquiring of when the impending 777
positions would be awarded to SkyWest pilots.
Where did this come from? A crewmour if ever I heard one!
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Has there been any new hiring this year I have seen the latest group pilot list from a mate and it shows 6 courses have been run this year between 4 feb and 22 July 13 combination of CRFO and Ejet F/Os. Does anyone know if this is correct ?
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