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Old 5th Jul 2010, 14:07
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ABARE Avgas consumption From Energy in Australia 2010 (page 18)

90 Ml 2003/04
91 Ml 04/05
86 Ml 05/06
90 Ml 06/07
88 Ml 07/08
96 Ml 08/09

Yes, I can see the trend there, Joker10......NOT!

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As much as I hate linking to this site-

Something doesn't add up
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Australian Energy Consumption and Production (page118)
PJ
2.1 73/74 32.3Ml
1.9 76/77 29.2 Ml
3.2 79/80 49.2 Ml
5.2 82/83 80.0 Ml
6.5 85/86 100.0 Ml
7.0 87/88 107.7 Ml
7.5 89/90 115.4 Ml
5.9 90/91 90.8 Ml
4.7 91/92 72.3 Ml
5.8 92/93 89.2 Ml
5.1 93/94 78.5Ml
5.4 94/95 83.1 Ml

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OK someone is fibbing...How can AVGAS consumption not match the hours flown...AVGAS only is used in GA.
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Less C152 hours, more C404 hours
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Big sidetrack...but care to elaborate Mr Joker?

I should start another thread on this!
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Old 6th Jul 2010, 10:26
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AVGAS only is used in GA.
Conclusive proof! AVGAS is NOT used by RPT.
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Sorry ....its all my fault...I used most of it!

I wonder if GA hours have actually gone up, just the beurau of stats does not get the truth any more...surely not!

And a lot use PULP now too in the lighter end.....

So how can you really be sure of any stats at all.

What was the question...........
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http://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/a...vtursales.aspx
<http://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/aviation/avgassales.aspx>

Oz,
See the above, Joker 10 obviously already had these figures, so how about you
check your fact.

A significant reason (according to the budget papers) for increasing the fuel levy was the drop on tax receipts due to the drop in sales.

Isn't it wonderful what Governments can do, the market isn't tax profitable enough, so just whack up the tax.

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Leadsled,

Long time, no hear ...

I know, wrong thread, but would be interested in your take on the Avalon Procedures (as it pertains to Airspace Management Principles) ... over on this thread:

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...as-e-av-4.html
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The bus driver doesn't use facts
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Joker..follow the links
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Sidetracking something terrible on this....ABARE says 96Megalitres and BITRE says 28Megalitres....thats a huge difference in figures.

Back on track...Talking to the guys at Enigma...They are weeks away from having a certified C145a NexNav Mini GPS.

Hey Jaba, ya gasguzzlin capitalist
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Yup followed the reputable links, got reliable data not circumstantial crud
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Joker...you have recently cast doubt over the government, as you should, so how can you trust that data?

In any case lets say you can....with only a 10 second glance at that graph the average seems to have gone from around 26-26 down to around 19.....in 10 years

You said this.....
the Actual Avgas used is down 50% nearly year on year.
Talk about facts Joker.....do you tell lies like this in everything you do...or just on pprune?

Leadie.....by default supporting the Jokers lies, you are not much better. At least I can see you are onto something resembling the truth here....well done!
A significant reason (according to the budget papers) for increasing the fuel levy was the drop on tax receipts due to the drop in sales.

Isn't it wonderful what Governments can do, the market isn't tax profitable enough, so just whack up the tax.
I am not sure how this has anything to do with the thread topic......but come on fella's keep it real would you!

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I am not sure how this has anything to do with the thread topic
I just put a 2.5 tonne rock in my wife's garden as a feature. Kept me busy all day. Rock cost 1x carton and the Franna crane cost $140.

And my Porsche engine rocket uses 15 litres per hour, so I didn't have anything to do with anything today.

Lies, damned lies and statistics. What do you expect when the two statistics are not contemporary.
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I would say thats good value for the rock....thats a good cubic metre of rock or more more like 1.5 ....all for a carton!

Well done!
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Ah well....back to the boring stuff...A Nov09 study from EuroControl..

ADS-B Monitoring Project

Interesting that in Oct 09, there was between 65 and 70% equippage of 1090ES in modeS equipped airlines.

In particular, I draw your attention to the monitoring results and airbourne issues at the bottom of this page.
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For those following the American system-

Sandia Aerospace are working with ITT to bring a low cost UAT solution. A panel mounted UAT with both In and Out with a target price of US$3500.
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Folks,
And just think --- Airservices could drop a UAT card into the vacant slot in their ground stations and Hey!! Presto!! ---- (relatively) cheap ADS-B.

And you airline folks---- don't forget ----- an aircraft with 1090ES ADS-B Out will only produce the same ACAS/TCAS response as a Mode C transponder equipped aircraft, ---- 'cause you ain't got ADS-B IN to your ACAS/TCAS 11, and are not likely to have it any time soon ---- and even when you do, the results will not be any different.

OZ, if you look around, I think you will find some UAT IN displays of traffic under the price on your post ---- but as far as I know, the GPS component is C-129A, not C-145/146.

Tootle pip!!
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