Merged: QANTAS/ALAEA EBA

[hi-speed tape]

All went well at SIT on Sat, thanks to a foreman on o/t prior to shift.

[company_spy]

LAMEA380

Toolpants, VERY PISSED

Am celebrating the ALAEA merger with the AWU, oops sorry let the cat outa the bag

THE NEW ALAEA SONG

They wana make go to rehab but i say no no no

Well well well, LAMEA380 you are slipping! Still feasting on those sour grapes I see, you have let your cat out of the bag as well as pumping it. Being a troll for the sake of it, not very smart.

Word of advice to the regular readers here, put LAMEA380 on your ignore list as he has nothing relevant to add to the debate.

[Short_Circuit]

I thought SYD ACS was the champion LEAN 767 A check capital of the WORLD.

What has gone wrong, a 767 A check sitting on the deck for 24 hrs and

not so much as the BM check part carried out.

WHO has done this to QANTAS ??????????

What about the 4 pillars (leg 4 Continuous LEAN SIGMA improvements)

oops, the 4th leg of the bridge of trust is crumbling

Maybe the new OPS Managers will come down and pitch in to help the boys. (don't hold your breath waiting)

[17S switch]

I love this period of PIA.
Our DMMs are on edge, everyone is asking questions about what is happening/will happen. Time to sit back and laugh, I say. Don't do anything that is not sanctioned by the Bexley Bunker and have a ball.
We will take 5, not 3

[Acute Instinct]

Quantify

Let's keep it in perspective. GD has said that a 5% as opposed to a 3% wage deal across the Qantas Group for non-executives will add a $300M burden over 3 years. GD has also said Qantas is to invest over $30B (that's billion) in new aircraft and the rest. So what is the percentage of future investment applied to employees if this pay deal for all in the group was accepted as an ideal investment in Qantas' future. $300M is just 1% over 3years. (0.33% a year, x3) That's right! We are begging, borrowing, and stealing to secure 1% of Qantas' future investment funds to help us get by. To much to ask is it? GD would have us believe that if we rob 1% of the futures investment fund, the entire strategy is doomed to fail. Disgraceful, disappointing. Bad business sense to leave your workers behind. Way behind.

[sickofqf]

All went well at SIT on Sat, thanks to a foreman on o/t prior to shift.

I trust his name has been sent to the Bunker for the list. If not....WHY NOT??!!

Scabs from outside are bad enough, scabs from INSIDE.........

Incidently, why oh why would you put LAMEA380 on ignore??? His idiotic rantings are such a good indicator of how well we are rattling the mangement and their dark-cavity fillers......I just feel sorry for his neighbours cat.....it's really suffering....!!!!!

[Torqueman]

I don't get it. What's the use in investing $30B in new aircraft if you don't have enough skilled people to fix or fly them? I would think that people are as important an investment as hardware is.

[division1]

These scabs from within, if they are ALAEA members, should be outed.
The rules are pretty simple,


40 - DISCIPLINARY RULES

(1) Any member who
(b) contravenes or fails to observe any lawful resolution,
decision or direction of the Federal Executive of which he had,
or ought to have had notice, shall be guilty of an offence against the Rules.

(2) Any member of the Association may make a charge against a member of the Association
for an offence against these Rules. Such charge shall be made in writing
and shall be made to the Federal Secretary of the Association.

(8) The Federal Executive may find the member charged guilty or not guilty of the offence or offences charged.
If the Federal Executive finds a member guilty of an offence against these Rules,
it may fine such member any sum not exceeding annual contributions for any one offence,
may censure or reprimand such member, may suspend such member for a period not exceeding one year,
may expel such member from the Association or may decide to impose no penalty.

[AEROMEDIC]

Why invest..........

The answer is simple...............

The maintenance on these new aircraft will not be carried by QF engineers except for line maint.

Already the current maintenance program is being planned to be moved OS as we speak.
The board does not care who does the maintenance, just so long as it is cheap.
Compliance is another issue as well, and will only be dealt with as the need arises.

[fordran]

Hey ST did you put in a care report about the tool who arrived a plane 5 minutes after he started. If he didn't make himself current he is in breach of proceures himself. May I suggest you write down name of leader and tool and send to alaea they are tracking this kind of counterproductive behaviour.

[Sunfish]

Aeromedic:

The answer is simple...............

The maintenance on these new aircraft will not be carried by QF engineers except for line maint.

Already the current maintenance program is being planned to be moved OS as we speak.

The board does not care who does the maintenance, just so long as it is cheap.
Compliance is another issue as well, and will only be dealt with as the need arises.

...You forgot to add that the Board will be making these decisions irrespective of whether you accept 3% or go for 5%

You also forgot to add that by the time these decisions bite QF very hard on the backside, the current Board and Management will have taken their share options, bonuses and magnificent salaries and will be long gone, possibly even in nursing homes.

Smart Corporate Boards now do an audit of corporate health and capability before paying Executive bonuses, precisely to stop Executives from generating short term profits (and huge bonuses) by destroying long term value through the sort of short term management thinking allegedly evident in Qantas......But the Board of QF isn't very smart.

My own view of the matter is that if QF is silly enough to take its maintenance offshore and out of Australia, it will eventually bite them very hard on the backside. All it requires is a diplomatic stoush between Australia and the country where the aircraft are maintained and all of a sudden your planes aren't coming home any time soon.

Or to put it another way, I don't think QF undertand what the term Force Majeure means.

Force Majeure (French for "greater force") is a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as war, strike, riot, crime, act of nature (e.g., flooding, earthquake, volcano), prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract.

Or to put it simply, I hope QF don't decide to get their aircraft maintained in Sichuan.

[grouter]

I wish people would stop posting in a foreign anguage to show us how intelligent they are. The only non-english phrase I know is:
NIL DESPERANDUM ILLIGITIMUS CARBORUNDUM.
It means, don't let the bastards grind you down.
Stay strong, keep smiling and stay together and we will win.

[REALITY]

Spanner Twister

Any chance you or someone else knows the exact location (as in chapter etc) where one can find the procedural requirement to ensure you are up to speed with maint memo's, cts and the like prior to starting each shift??


Perhaps a quick fax of the document to each line maint port will help!?!

[Sunfish]

Grouty, you mus bin brung up wrongg.

Force Majeure is the actual name of a good old English legal concept. It's not a "Foreign Language" thing at all.

Good luck all with your PIA.

[dr skydrol]

Bluescope steel just given their workers 5% increase.
Did anyone see the front page of Evening standard (pommy paper) BA ceo turns down 700,000 pound bonus. Says it would be wrong for him to accept that with the chaos at terminal 5 and all those bags that went missing. What a guy.

I've said it before slow and steady wins the race.Maint manual and the PPM are our friends. Don't deviate.
Take a look what your doing this airline MR DICKson. That strikebreak account must be wiltering with all these delays.

[sniggiH]

Industrial Action

I feel compelled to make my first post because of the trouble/delays down south.Its not all doom and gloom.I wont say my job or station but its in far NQ. I only see the tarmac through glass.We have a new leadership team including my subordinate notseW.I have a good grounding being an ex ALAEA rep and my father showed me great morals.He kept working, keeping the planes flying in the pilots dispute when everyone else was on strike and resigning. I will apply these morals to this dispute. But the house and car didn't fair so well receiving various artworks and their fair share of smeared animal waste.I hope this doesnt happen again. We have moulded the seniors very well up here getting all of them (except one) to preach the company line. It was very satisfying to get G.F to fold i thought he was made of more substance than that! The amount of overtime being worked is great with the union rep moose leading the way. S.P is doing well too. Its a good kick in the guts from him to the union after all the resources they used just keeping him employed over the years. Its business as usual up here with no sevice disruptions and people willing to work overtime. We have the spineless plebs on this station just where we want them. They dont have the substance to stick together. There are a few militant bad seeds but we will put as much pressure on them as we can.Hope the other stations are doing just as well.G.H

[wanty]

So there I was, starting at my appointed time today, hanging around "the bench" just before start-time the SLAME gives me an arrival scheduled to arrive 5 minutes after my start-time.


Tick tock..ding...It's start time .......

I said to him, do you want me to go and do that arrival now ?

Yes he said, so looking him in the eye I said, you mean you are telling me to ignore the procedures manual and NOT read the maintenance memos and my CTS messages prior to commencing work ?


He found someone else to do that arrival, BUT WHY DID THEY DO IT WITHOUT READING THE PROCEDURES MANUAL FIRST ?

You are required to catch up with the maintenance memos PRIOR to commencing work !!!

SpannerTwister


My sentiments exactly.

One should also NOT be made to feel guilty about this by senior Lames and DMM'S either.

[HARDNUT]

Industrial Action

Sniggih. One question. Are you going to put your hand out for the pay rise when we win? Its sad to hear your station obviously townsville or cairns seems divided.

[The Black Panther]

Higgins

Better still why don't go give to charity ever pay rise generated by the efforts of the ALAEA since you began employ with QF. Then go and negotiate an individual payrise with DC. I doubt you would have the skills though nor the fortitude.

Just a parasite aren't you?

I feel sorry for you. Perhaps one day you will still stand tall and get up from you knees. I doubt it though.


Keep trying to get some reaction here though it may give you some pseudo self esteem and prolong your insignificant existence.

[Talkwrench]

ref: sniggiH post 1382

Well well well, I was wondering how long it would take before the pot stirrers would make their move with their reports of division in the ranks. It only took 5 days. I guess the action is hurting. I cant understand how sniggiH links 'great morals' with being a strikebreaking anti unionist. He claims he used to be an ALAEA rep! I guess we can all be thankful that he and all the other ex reps of his calibre and 'great moral standing' are no longer representing the memberships views. All everyone needs to know is that the action is working. Dont worry too much what everyone else is doing, just do your bit and we'll all be fine.