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Rak-a-san wrote:
BTW, Dick H in Perth, you are still, Fat and Arrogant and never welcome back in ADL, You giant Klutz
You failed to include "foul mouthed, rascist, ignorant, incompetent, greedy and extremely pig headed" and I am being polite for this forum. The crap he enjoyed putting this station through during the 8 hr debacle all for his "I promise I'll smash them into submission M and give them the worst roster anyone could ever conceive" bonus still lingers in the air over here. DH has little to no respect from the very people that lost so much of their family lives due to his money hungry arrogance. He did do one thing for this port though- built a big F.....OFF wall between himself and us and enabled us to all unite like never before. You have forever lost our support Mr Boofhead (as if you ever had it).
(all these SMILIES to pick from for my message and then I see one today in Perth just waiting to sh..t all over his ex-mates. Maybe he was just over here "testing the property market"!!!!!)
You failed to include "foul mouthed, rascist, ignorant, incompetent, greedy and extremely pig headed" and I am being polite for this forum. The crap he enjoyed putting this station through during the 8 hr debacle all for his "I promise I'll smash them into submission M and give them the worst roster anyone could ever conceive" bonus still lingers in the air over here. DH has little to no respect from the very people that lost so much of their family lives due to his money hungry arrogance. He did do one thing for this port though- built a big F.....OFF wall between himself and us and enabled us to all unite like never before. You have forever lost our support Mr Boofhead (as if you ever had it).
(all these SMILIES to pick from for my message and then I see one today in Perth just waiting to sh..t all over his ex-mates. Maybe he was just over here "testing the property market"!!!!!)
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maybe one of you perth guys could ask large penis if he has been back to any of the bars in darlinghurst recently. i was told it took him almost an hour to figure out the reason so many males were there had nothing to do with being a workers' bar. the male f/a with him said that he had never seen anyone look so scared in his life (this during f/e days)
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had to dig this old chestnut out again,perhaps FOG could send the aircraft back to Singapore again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlPBr3j2qs
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oh and here is part 2,i fell so safe knowing this twit is in charge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSqpBDqVteY&feature=related
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To all past and present Defence force personnel please forgive me when I steal the great Anzac slogan and remind our illustrious so-called management of this company (and those that have greedily put up there hands to band-aid the situation for their own benefit-career or money reasons) that when all this is over-----
LEST WE FORGET
and repeat
LEST WE FORGET
LEST WE FORGET
and repeat
LEST WE FORGET
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I saw the "Alternate work force" list today and to be honest I
can't wait to look some of these boys in the eyes.
I was shocked to see some of the names of people I held
(notice past tense) in high esteem.
Win or loose, I and my workmates will be pesky engineers,
management will be management but you will be a sc$b!!!
And Sc%bs for life!!!
Hope the money was worth it.
I am really dissapointed in some of you.
I had thought some of you to have been better men.
can't wait to look some of these boys in the eyes.
I was shocked to see some of the names of people I held
(notice past tense) in high esteem.
Win or loose, I and my workmates will be pesky engineers,
management will be management but you will be a sc$b!!!
And Sc%bs for life!!!
Hope the money was worth it.
I am really dissapointed in some of you.
I had thought some of you to have been better men.
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Where are we going?
As hard as it is for me to swallow, we are on a downward spiral irrespective of what we get out of this dispute.
Management have put in place, plans from a couple of years ago to have maintenance outsourced, and I firmly believe this dispute is exactly what they wanted.
They have an agreement and are 50% "shareholders" with Malaysian Aerospace/Airlines in an MRO to do work up in KL, of which I am led to believe that many QF 737's are being done there. The facility in LAX for 744 A checks. Manila for the 330's.
This is a plan that won't be reversed any time soon, and has been expedited with this dispute. One on which they didn't count on with the engineers being as united as they are.
The only real way out is for the major shareholders to realise what is happening within QF and the ridiculous decisions being made by management (i.e. handing back 7 contracts to customers at S.I.T., giving notice to remaining customers at S.I.T. that they won't be looked after during the dispute. Maybe they won't be back once the dispute is settled one way or the other).
The only way FOD FOG will be unseated is for the shareholders to ask for his scalp, and hopefully of all those presiding over this shambles. The "Management Team" have succeeded like no others before them in dragging QF down to the standards of the rest of the world, and their staff with them, in such a short space of time. Their divide and conquer tactic has been a boon for not only the engineers, but the staff in general, in that just about every QF employee has one thing in common. To see the back of FOD FOG and the other snouts in the trough.
This is our last shot at bringing the management to account and holding them responsible for virtually bringing the company down and ruining a once great reputation.
Without great staff and a great product, no happy customers, and very unhappy shareholders as is reflected by the current shareprice below $3.00.
Let's all keep up the heat on management. Remember, they have shown everyone that the company can still run for a few hours without them, but cannot run without its engineers or any of the front line staff for that same period of time.
Management have put in place, plans from a couple of years ago to have maintenance outsourced, and I firmly believe this dispute is exactly what they wanted.
They have an agreement and are 50% "shareholders" with Malaysian Aerospace/Airlines in an MRO to do work up in KL, of which I am led to believe that many QF 737's are being done there. The facility in LAX for 744 A checks. Manila for the 330's.
This is a plan that won't be reversed any time soon, and has been expedited with this dispute. One on which they didn't count on with the engineers being as united as they are.
The only real way out is for the major shareholders to realise what is happening within QF and the ridiculous decisions being made by management (i.e. handing back 7 contracts to customers at S.I.T., giving notice to remaining customers at S.I.T. that they won't be looked after during the dispute. Maybe they won't be back once the dispute is settled one way or the other).
The only way FOD FOG will be unseated is for the shareholders to ask for his scalp, and hopefully of all those presiding over this shambles. The "Management Team" have succeeded like no others before them in dragging QF down to the standards of the rest of the world, and their staff with them, in such a short space of time. Their divide and conquer tactic has been a boon for not only the engineers, but the staff in general, in that just about every QF employee has one thing in common. To see the back of FOD FOG and the other snouts in the trough.
This is our last shot at bringing the management to account and holding them responsible for virtually bringing the company down and ruining a once great reputation.
Without great staff and a great product, no happy customers, and very unhappy shareholders as is reflected by the current shareprice below $3.00.
Let's all keep up the heat on management. Remember, they have shown everyone that the company can still run for a few hours without them, but cannot run without its engineers or any of the front line staff for that same period of time.
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Oh dear, the beloved shareholders are starting to show
a public interest. As predicted by some at the $3.00 setpoint.
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23913691-31037,00.html
ABN Amro Morgans private client adviser Bill Bishop said Qantas shares had been hit due to a number of factors. "It's a combination of things," Mr Bishop said.
"They are having the traditional battle with unions, which has manifested itself with this engineers strike.
"The engineering staff are using their muscle to withdraw services and the company is saying it's not going to budge, but they'll meet in the middle somehow."
So, middle ground eh, that might work with some churning of managers.
a public interest. As predicted by some at the $3.00 setpoint.
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23913691-31037,00.html
ABN Amro Morgans private client adviser Bill Bishop said Qantas shares had been hit due to a number of factors. "It's a combination of things," Mr Bishop said.
"They are having the traditional battle with unions, which has manifested itself with this engineers strike.
"The engineering staff are using their muscle to withdraw services and the company is saying it's not going to budge, but they'll meet in the middle somehow."
So, middle ground eh, that might work with some churning of managers.
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QF94
I have to agree with QF94. There could be a Master Plan here that is being brought forward by this dispute. Management did not count on us being as one and not whimping out like we have before. So, they go to good old plan "A".
Don't forget just recently they were going to ditch the whole company! Who says they won't wind back QE and use contract labour? Could be done.
No public outcry if they do. They will just say it was the Engineers fault, we had no choice.
Also, they will dispute this, but the delays and o/niting of aircraft have occurred due to failures on pushback close to curfew, big problems that have compounded and blown through curfew happened due to problems with the aircraft brought on by their "New World". Ha! All we do is a O/T ban and the world caves in!
Even without the O/T ban the ****e would be hitting the fan anyway. Management guys that are reading this should be very concerned with the way the "New World" has gone wrecked the fleet. We said 2 years ago this was going to happen it it has. All this dispute has done is acted as a catalyst and made it a very public bitchfight.
I take pride in my workmanship and always will. I am deeply saddened that the great copmany Qantas that taught me so much and made me and my friends the best tradesman with so much pride is now treating us like crap under their feet. They started with the Heart of Engineering, Heavy Maint, and are now ragdolling the rest of the body.
Have a feast up there in Bullsh=t Tower, once the meal is over you may not have anything left. Just like hungry pack animals.
You guys came to us looking for help to get your "New World", we put up with stupidity, tried to make it work even though we Knew it would not, sat back and did not ask for handouts because business was tough. Now it is our turn to play catch-up you have shut the door.
You reap what you sow!
Don't forget just recently they were going to ditch the whole company! Who says they won't wind back QE and use contract labour? Could be done.
No public outcry if they do. They will just say it was the Engineers fault, we had no choice.
Also, they will dispute this, but the delays and o/niting of aircraft have occurred due to failures on pushback close to curfew, big problems that have compounded and blown through curfew happened due to problems with the aircraft brought on by their "New World". Ha! All we do is a O/T ban and the world caves in!
Even without the O/T ban the ****e would be hitting the fan anyway. Management guys that are reading this should be very concerned with the way the "New World" has gone wrecked the fleet. We said 2 years ago this was going to happen it it has. All this dispute has done is acted as a catalyst and made it a very public bitchfight.
I take pride in my workmanship and always will. I am deeply saddened that the great copmany Qantas that taught me so much and made me and my friends the best tradesman with so much pride is now treating us like crap under their feet. They started with the Heart of Engineering, Heavy Maint, and are now ragdolling the rest of the body.
Have a feast up there in Bullsh=t Tower, once the meal is over you may not have anything left. Just like hungry pack animals.
You guys came to us looking for help to get your "New World", we put up with stupidity, tried to make it work even though we Knew it would not, sat back and did not ask for handouts because business was tough. Now it is our turn to play catch-up you have shut the door.
You reap what you sow!
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Link to you tube FOD campaign
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f
Does anyone know when the SYD based LAME's will be recalled from LAX?
Does anyone know when the SYD based LAME's will be recalled from LAX?
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max brakings view on PIA and QF management tactics
If only the qf management could take a step back and view the decline that they in themselves have instigated,that will have a "knock on" effect maybe reflecting into many years to come.
They will just say,well if those bloody LAMES just sucumbed to our "buggery tactics" we would have won the war.
"United for the future" we can and will give these so could chiefs the biggest shock of not only their careers, but make a benchmark in the AIRC.
Rudd needs to be involved since most us voted for him to support our down trodden cause.
I mean really it has already cost QF more $$$ than it is worth,
considering the years to come of ILL will and MISTRUST!!!.
Not to mention what the Public ratings will score.I now believe it is more than just this EBA's worth, but QF management need to be chainsawed down from there treetop paradise,
No short term win for either side can bring the company as a whole to any where near what its PEOPLE who execute the POLICY of this red tape ridden ,self perpetuating,downward spiralling company, the upper echlon "still call AUSTRALIA home".
so what will be of Qf in the final washout???
I was very dissapointed today when Anna Bligh close relative of that UGLY kiwi PM said that QF ENGINEERS should not strike as we are affecting QLD tourism.
NO Anna,you are mis informed by your advisors, and they obviously have not done appropriate research into why we are making a stand and why, against,if not one the biggest lying companys in Australia.
The public at large needs to know what the score is!!!
Know I know why Qf mgmt are so scared of the "Buggery campaign" statement as it has already been distributed to outside legal instutions for evaluation.
love your work all Aussie LAMES, if not now when will we have our VOICE!!!
I would dearly love some feed back as this is one of my first posts...
KEEP on MAX BRAKING............... ............ ... ... ... ... . .. . . . . .. .
They will just say,well if those bloody LAMES just sucumbed to our "buggery tactics" we would have won the war.
"United for the future" we can and will give these so could chiefs the biggest shock of not only their careers, but make a benchmark in the AIRC.
Rudd needs to be involved since most us voted for him to support our down trodden cause.
I mean really it has already cost QF more $$$ than it is worth,
considering the years to come of ILL will and MISTRUST!!!.
Not to mention what the Public ratings will score.I now believe it is more than just this EBA's worth, but QF management need to be chainsawed down from there treetop paradise,
No short term win for either side can bring the company as a whole to any where near what its PEOPLE who execute the POLICY of this red tape ridden ,self perpetuating,downward spiralling company, the upper echlon "still call AUSTRALIA home".
so what will be of Qf in the final washout???
I was very dissapointed today when Anna Bligh close relative of that UGLY kiwi PM said that QF ENGINEERS should not strike as we are affecting QLD tourism.
NO Anna,you are mis informed by your advisors, and they obviously have not done appropriate research into why we are making a stand and why, against,if not one the biggest lying companys in Australia.
The public at large needs to know what the score is!!!
Know I know why Qf mgmt are so scared of the "Buggery campaign" statement as it has already been distributed to outside legal instutions for evaluation.
love your work all Aussie LAMES, if not now when will we have our VOICE!!!
I would dearly love some feed back as this is one of my first posts...
KEEP on MAX BRAKING............... ............ ... ... ... ... . .. . . . . .. .
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pulling my middle leg.....!!!!!
all we want is a small peep into a large billion $$$$ profit which we have created with or with out mgmt.
That has been resounding evident in the last couple of days when mgmt have off scccaaabbbiiiinnngg at various dom ports..
leaving their own position vacant.
That has been resounding evident in the last couple of days when mgmt have off scccaaabbbiiiinnngg at various dom ports..
leaving their own position vacant.
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I am not a QF engineer, I am chief engineer of a company. Please PM me a list of the scabs. After the Ansett self destruct I had literally hundreds of applications from engineers, I suspect that when you guys win this fight, and you will, I will get applications from the scabs.
I promise you now, not one scab will EVER lift a spanner in my hangar. So please PM me the list.
I promise you now, not one scab will EVER lift a spanner in my hangar. So please PM me the list.
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"The Board"
One thing I find really interesting from an organisational behaviour point of view is Dixon's constant references to "The Board" every time he speaks.
Now Boards have statutory responsibilities to the shareholders, not too Geoff Dixon or any of you employees. They are supposed to ensure that the company is run competently and in accordance with the applicable laws and regulations so that the assets of the business are preserved for the shareholders and ideally enhanced over time.
The Board doesn't make business strategy, Mr. D does. The Board merely approves it or disapproves of it, in which case they sack the existing CEO and find a new one.
So my point is that when Mr. D says "The Board this" and "The Board that" it's actually meaningless drivel, because the Board has absolutely no involvement in the management of the business at all. So why does he say it? Because he is invoking a higher authority then himself, and you are expected to kneel down in fear and terror at the very mention of the holy name "The Board".
The other reason he does it though is to massage the ego's of the Board members, my guess is that they are the type of Board members who might like that, although I've seen plenty of good ones that wouldn't.
Let me tell you what a Board meeting is like. Many of you will have sat on a bowling club or school committee before. Board meetings are not much different although with money and power the trappings change. You will have the Board members arranged around a table. There will probably be the company secretary or solicitor "in attendance" to write up the minutes.
You will start with the apologies and minutes of the previous meeting. Then there will be business arising. Then Mr. D will make his report about the state of the business. There will be a few polite questions and then the Board will vote to accept his report. Mr. D will brief the Board about the decisions that need to be made (ie: - ones that he can't make on his own authority), explain what he recommends and why he recommends it, and requests their approval.
Occasionally people will be brought in to make presentations, then they leave. There is usually a mountain of supporting explanatory paperwork that Board members are expected to have waded through before the meeting, although brevity and succinct briefings are treasured by good Boards. More polite questions from the Board, some of which may be stupid, some not, but all have to be answered by the CEO. The Board votes, usually unanimously in favour. Golf claps all round. Meeting ends. That's all there is to it.
It's quite funny that some people think Boards are sacred, secret societies, where high priests engage in secret ceremonies to make corporate strategy. Nothing could be further from the truth. However some CEO's very carefully foster this belief, and I think Mr. D does because of his constant references to "The Board".
Nothing gets to the Board except through Dixon's office. My bet is that he keeps them well wrapped in cotton wool. They have no knowledge of this dispute except what he tells them, and believe me, what they know and what you know will be two very different things. Their only knowledge of this dispute can come from Mr. Dixon and TV news. Their only concern is their statutory duties as Directors so that they don't get sued by shareholders.
If I were on the Board now, I'd be concerned with the value of the brand and public perceptions. I would also be very concerned to know how this dispute has been "spun" to the Government (Transport Minister, Industrial Relations Minister, Tourism Minister and Prime Minister) and what their response would likely be.
And on that final note, I'm afraid I have to predict that the ALAEA is going to be disappointed with the ACTU and the Government. My reason being that I am beginning to believe that Prime Minster Rudd might be a narcissist like Dixon, in which case QF will dutifully suck up to him, and he will give them everything they want.
Good luck and do exactly what your Fed. Sec. tells you.
Now Boards have statutory responsibilities to the shareholders, not too Geoff Dixon or any of you employees. They are supposed to ensure that the company is run competently and in accordance with the applicable laws and regulations so that the assets of the business are preserved for the shareholders and ideally enhanced over time.
The Board doesn't make business strategy, Mr. D does. The Board merely approves it or disapproves of it, in which case they sack the existing CEO and find a new one.
So my point is that when Mr. D says "The Board this" and "The Board that" it's actually meaningless drivel, because the Board has absolutely no involvement in the management of the business at all. So why does he say it? Because he is invoking a higher authority then himself, and you are expected to kneel down in fear and terror at the very mention of the holy name "The Board".
The other reason he does it though is to massage the ego's of the Board members, my guess is that they are the type of Board members who might like that, although I've seen plenty of good ones that wouldn't.
Let me tell you what a Board meeting is like. Many of you will have sat on a bowling club or school committee before. Board meetings are not much different although with money and power the trappings change. You will have the Board members arranged around a table. There will probably be the company secretary or solicitor "in attendance" to write up the minutes.
You will start with the apologies and minutes of the previous meeting. Then there will be business arising. Then Mr. D will make his report about the state of the business. There will be a few polite questions and then the Board will vote to accept his report. Mr. D will brief the Board about the decisions that need to be made (ie: - ones that he can't make on his own authority), explain what he recommends and why he recommends it, and requests their approval.
Occasionally people will be brought in to make presentations, then they leave. There is usually a mountain of supporting explanatory paperwork that Board members are expected to have waded through before the meeting, although brevity and succinct briefings are treasured by good Boards. More polite questions from the Board, some of which may be stupid, some not, but all have to be answered by the CEO. The Board votes, usually unanimously in favour. Golf claps all round. Meeting ends. That's all there is to it.
It's quite funny that some people think Boards are sacred, secret societies, where high priests engage in secret ceremonies to make corporate strategy. Nothing could be further from the truth. However some CEO's very carefully foster this belief, and I think Mr. D does because of his constant references to "The Board".
Nothing gets to the Board except through Dixon's office. My bet is that he keeps them well wrapped in cotton wool. They have no knowledge of this dispute except what he tells them, and believe me, what they know and what you know will be two very different things. Their only knowledge of this dispute can come from Mr. Dixon and TV news. Their only concern is their statutory duties as Directors so that they don't get sued by shareholders.
If I were on the Board now, I'd be concerned with the value of the brand and public perceptions. I would also be very concerned to know how this dispute has been "spun" to the Government (Transport Minister, Industrial Relations Minister, Tourism Minister and Prime Minister) and what their response would likely be.
And on that final note, I'm afraid I have to predict that the ALAEA is going to be disappointed with the ACTU and the Government. My reason being that I am beginning to believe that Prime Minster Rudd might be a narcissist like Dixon, in which case QF will dutifully suck up to him, and he will give them everything they want.
Good luck and do exactly what your Fed. Sec. tells you.
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yes,
saw sc%b list on paper tonight....
some names ex syd heavy shocked me.....
I worked along side them them for many years...disappointing old mates!!!.maybe your your still living in the old qf world.
Dozzzas$$$$$$ ($120K for 6 mths idle) really do talk even if you have had a sleeper allegiance to your tru brothers for so sooooo many years.
HOPE YOU GUYS CAN ROCK ON IN YOUR SLEEPZONE IF YOU STILL HAVE ONE.
DONT WORRY WE WILL KEEP ON FIGHTING AGAINST THE P.I.G.S IN THE TROUGH...OINK.OINK.OINK.OINK
CRIKEY,THATS EASY TO TYPE ON A KEYBOARD......?????
in ref to your question? stby
keep monitoring
Max Braking
saw sc%b list on paper tonight....
some names ex syd heavy shocked me.....
I worked along side them them for many years...disappointing old mates!!!.maybe your your still living in the old qf world.
Dozzzas$$$$$$ ($120K for 6 mths idle) really do talk even if you have had a sleeper allegiance to your tru brothers for so sooooo many years.
HOPE YOU GUYS CAN ROCK ON IN YOUR SLEEPZONE IF YOU STILL HAVE ONE.
DONT WORRY WE WILL KEEP ON FIGHTING AGAINST THE P.I.G.S IN THE TROUGH...OINK.OINK.OINK.OINK
CRIKEY,THATS EASY TO TYPE ON A KEYBOARD......?????
in ref to your question? stby
keep monitoring
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David Cox should be on the ALAEA payroll
sunfish,
you couldn't have said it soo much better,maybe you should be on the ALAEA payroll, as David Cox once was.
I have not got the time or nouse to say in approval as you said, as I like your style.
enough sarcasm for one night.you were spot on!!!!, and should be heard in a wider audience.
corporate greed will one day end when the public knows the real truth!!!.
keep on max braking brethen
you couldn't have said it soo much better,maybe you should be on the ALAEA payroll, as David Cox once was.
I have not got the time or nouse to say in approval as you said, as I like your style.
enough sarcasm for one night.you were spot on!!!!, and should be heard in a wider audience.
corporate greed will one day end when the public knows the real truth!!!.
keep on max braking brethen
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From an ex syd heavy LAME it eats at me that some of my ex syd heavy brothers are on this list of scabs. name and shame boys name and shame.
Is there a way I can view this list PLEASE , Is alist floating around red RAT smoko room at sit.keep up the good work boys:
Is there a way I can view this list PLEASE , Is alist floating around red RAT smoko room at sit.keep up the good work boys: