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PAF Could not delete your posts so we can go back and show how inept you are at worthy debate.
Lets keep this one.
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Lets keep this one.
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It will be interesting when QF turn the screws and dock everyones wages.
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It seems that a manager, originally from the SDT area but has been visiting the SIT very frequently of late, has been telling the guys there that this will all be over soon - maybe by the start of July! Apparently he stated that he did'nt expect this union action to last very long (when we first started), as he was asked to sign some leave forms. It appears that this PIA is costing QF a lot more than anticipated and the managers are becoming very anxious, wanting to bring it to a stop.
Tell us something we didnt know! Is the cat out of the bag?
Tell us something we didnt know! Is the cat out of the bag?
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I'm not convinced that the users on this thread of the ever popular catchphrase "Troll", actually know what it really means. Apart from it's origin in Norse mythology of a tribe of giants, in slang terms Troll (Internet), is a person who is deliberately inflammatory on the Internet in order to provoke a vehement response from other users. Just because someone doesn't agree with your views doesn't necessarily mean that he is inflammatory. I think you can be thankful that this thread has not hit the press as it would do a lot of harm to your cause.
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I think you can be thankful that this thread has not hit the press as it would do a lot of harm to your cause.
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THE ALPHABET STRIKE....could get a sponsor
you tellem ngineer...yep the qantas managers will fold, or perhaps they couldnt give a tos , i mean they are not getting docked,
Get real,
can i ask how many names fall in the a-k or l - z or whatever ,how many guys will get docked, and how many will not, will the WA SA and NTH QLD members chip in with 4 hours of wages that can be shared equally and when will the next lot be due, whoever thought of this idiot strategy is either dumb as dog sh*t or wants to create angst amongst members.
But the Qantas Managers are getting nervous, so no need to worry, can you please all get real or accept the offer, you are your own enemies, the managers are getting paid and you are dealing with a company with a bottomless pit, yet you punce around like fairies thinking up idiot ideas that will have no effect other than cause peop;le to question why am i getting docked this and not my pal over there who will stand to gain.
looks like a Bunch of egomaniacs running this union , they are there for a business outcome, looks like they have forgotten and are more intersted in being patted on the back and coming up with fanciful ideas, it really is simple you either go for broke and hope you win or you will loose with these half measures and half baked strike by alphabet strategies.
This is something not even the teachers union would consider
Get real,
can i ask how many names fall in the a-k or l - z or whatever ,how many guys will get docked, and how many will not, will the WA SA and NTH QLD members chip in with 4 hours of wages that can be shared equally and when will the next lot be due, whoever thought of this idiot strategy is either dumb as dog sh*t or wants to create angst amongst members.
But the Qantas Managers are getting nervous, so no need to worry, can you please all get real or accept the offer, you are your own enemies, the managers are getting paid and you are dealing with a company with a bottomless pit, yet you punce around like fairies thinking up idiot ideas that will have no effect other than cause peop;le to question why am i getting docked this and not my pal over there who will stand to gain.
looks like a Bunch of egomaniacs running this union , they are there for a business outcome, looks like they have forgotten and are more intersted in being patted on the back and coming up with fanciful ideas, it really is simple you either go for broke and hope you win or you will loose with these half measures and half baked strike by alphabet strategies.
This is something not even the teachers union would consider
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To The Colonel Lives,
The current pay scheme at QE was offered to the LAMEs by management in an effort to keep LAMEs in the company. It is, therefore, their monster and the only way to keep the younger LAMEs, and AMEs, in the company is to improve the base pay on offer. Introducing a new scheme like those used by JS & VB would increase the base rate for the younger LAMEs, and when the Union suggested this to the management negotiating team last year, their response to that was one of surprise, followed by an immediate dismissal of the idea!!!
To The Black Panther,
We all know that th only reason that QF still run the Staff Travel scheme is that it MAKES MONEY for the company, otherwise they would have dropped it years ago! And as for FREE FLIGHTS, well we all know that there is no such thing in QF.
To the Fed Sec and the Exec,
Love your work! Keep it up, we're behind you all the way!
Like the company says ......'Take 5'%.....
The current pay scheme at QE was offered to the LAMEs by management in an effort to keep LAMEs in the company. It is, therefore, their monster and the only way to keep the younger LAMEs, and AMEs, in the company is to improve the base pay on offer. Introducing a new scheme like those used by JS & VB would increase the base rate for the younger LAMEs, and when the Union suggested this to the management negotiating team last year, their response to that was one of surprise, followed by an immediate dismissal of the idea!!!
To The Black Panther,
We all know that th only reason that QF still run the Staff Travel scheme is that it MAKES MONEY for the company, otherwise they would have dropped it years ago! And as for FREE FLIGHTS, well we all know that there is no such thing in QF.
To the Fed Sec and the Exec,
Love your work! Keep it up, we're behind you all the way!
Like the company says ......'Take 5'%.....
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On another note how are the delays looking?
Word around the ivory towers is that the LAME's
have resorted to sabotaging aircraft and the company
has proof that there were towels stuffed down the toilet
system ( I can't remember the flight #).
Sounds like QF bulls**t to me.
I thought it was a crook vacuum blower.
It never ceases to amaze the lies that management
are capable of
Maintain the Rage
Word around the ivory towers is that the LAME's
have resorted to sabotaging aircraft and the company
has proof that there were towels stuffed down the toilet
system ( I can't remember the flight #).
Sounds like QF bulls**t to me.
I thought it was a crook vacuum blower.
It never ceases to amaze the lies that management
are capable of
Maintain the Rage
Maybe they should do a DNA swab of the towels and cross check it against swabs from all current employed LAMES !!!
Yeah right,where do I line up to take my swab ???
The only DNA sample they will get from me comes out my rear end.
What a bunch of tossers this lot are. Talk about reaching.
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Why would any LAME in their right mind deliberately block a dunny knowing full well he or another LAME will have to unblock it? It is a rather unpleasant job that I for one wouldn't wish on anyone.
As said previously I believe it was a blower motor.
As said previously I believe it was a blower motor.
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Yes, some (but not all) Melb HM LAMES were docked for declining overtime today.
The thing that stuck out in my mind was managment could not identify any personnel on their list by sight, and had to send the foreman around to advise the various people that they were required to attend an interview to explain why they declined working back /starting early.
It goes a long way to explain the mindset of Engineering management, that they are so disengaged from their workers, that they cannot put a name to any of the faces in their own department.
Insert catchy punchline here.
The thing that stuck out in my mind was managment could not identify any personnel on their list by sight, and had to send the foreman around to advise the various people that they were required to attend an interview to explain why they declined working back /starting early.
It goes a long way to explain the mindset of Engineering management, that they are so disengaged from their workers, that they cannot put a name to any of the faces in their own department.
Insert catchy punchline here.
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things warm up
Any details out there about Tulla dockies being told at individual interviews to work 2 hours O/t (early start )Weds or run the risk of loosing 2 hours pay.
Would this constitute bullying ?
New notice posted covering member lockout and Alaea response.
QF do seem to be focusing more on the man than the ball as things progress.
I am one of the Tulla Dockies that was frog marched upstairs and asked to do O/T from 2300 to 0100 for "Operational reasons" PD and someone from HR was there. PD selected only a dozen or so guys who do overtime to ask the question. I believe it to be discrimination because everyone who doesn't do O/T wasn't asked and yes we were told that we would be docked 2 hours pay. I've been with the company 27 years and the current management has successfully drained every bit of goodwill out of me. I have no respect for and don't trust the current "management". Everytime they speak I assume that they are lying. I've had my say and I feel a lot better now.
Any details out there about Tulla dockies being told at individual interviews to work 2 hours O/t (early start )Weds or run the risk of loosing 2 hours pay.
Would this constitute bullying ?
New notice posted covering member lockout and Alaea response.
QF do seem to be focusing more on the man than the ball as things progress.
I am one of the Tulla Dockies that was frog marched upstairs and asked to do O/T from 2300 to 0100 for "Operational reasons" PD and someone from HR was there. PD selected only a dozen or so guys who do overtime to ask the question. I believe it to be discrimination because everyone who doesn't do O/T wasn't asked and yes we were told that we would be docked 2 hours pay. I've been with the company 27 years and the current management has successfully drained every bit of goodwill out of me. I have no respect for and don't trust the current "management". Everytime they speak I assume that they are lying. I've had my say and I feel a lot better now.
Just for the record, please don't slag off at the QF Board for going to New York.
The very old (19th century) business rule for meeting venues is that you always "go where the money is".
If the QF Board wants money to finance it's fleet renewal, then it must go to New York and ask for it, not the other way around.
My reading of the current state of play is that there are many more rounds to go. It appears at the moment that QF are probing for weak spots, weak people, over reactions, etc., and also giving you "the silent treatment", or perhaps they are just too busy.
There will be more threats and provocations to come.
Keep up your good work and do exactly what your Fed. Sec. says.
The very old (19th century) business rule for meeting venues is that you always "go where the money is".
If the QF Board wants money to finance it's fleet renewal, then it must go to New York and ask for it, not the other way around.
My reading of the current state of play is that there are many more rounds to go. It appears at the moment that QF are probing for weak spots, weak people, over reactions, etc., and also giving you "the silent treatment", or perhaps they are just too busy.
There will be more threats and provocations to come.
Keep up your good work and do exactly what your Fed. Sec. says.
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Be Safe
Please bring this to the attention of your management engineers. We would hate to loose such talent. 
Keep up the good fight Gents
but please KEEP it SAFE!! http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...wpost&t=331524
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Maintain the Rage!
Dockie
Dockie, sounds like a time many years ago when the AME's were dragged into the office and asked the same question during one of their EBA disputes! Mistake they made was that they weren't available, they have since learn't a lesson for next time! Was Dumb Bell sweating like a pig?
In relation to a 'blocked toilet', well if that's all that has happened so far then bugger me! Lets not forget the story of one of your 747's landing in LA with a full row of 'low oil quantity' lights fully illuminated across all four engines!
I wonder if Dick Smith would like to hear some of these stories, co's CASA sure the hell don't want to! What was it again they said:
"Any investigation into Qantas could be detrimental to their brand name"
Say's it all doesn't fella's!
I am one of the Tulla Dockies that was frog marched upstairs and asked to do O/T from 2300 to 0100 for "Operational reasons" PD and someone from HR was there. PD selected only a dozen or so guys who do overtime to ask the question. I believe it to be discrimination because everyone who doesn't do O/T wasn't asked and yes we were told that we would be docked 2 hours pay. I've been with the company 27 years and the current management has successfully drained every bit of goodwill out of me. I have no respect for and don't trust the current "management". Everytime they speak I assume that they are lying. I've had my say and I feel a lot better now.
In relation to a 'blocked toilet', well if that's all that has happened so far then bugger me! Lets not forget the story of one of your 747's landing in LA with a full row of 'low oil quantity' lights fully illuminated across all four engines!
I wonder if Dick Smith would like to hear some of these stories, co's CASA sure the hell don't want to! What was it again they said:
"Any investigation into Qantas could be detrimental to their brand name"
Say's it all doesn't fella's!
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Hey sunfish have you heard about globalisation, obvously not.
Most merchant banks have branches here and most of those are in the old Qantas building in Sydney. The reason Dicko and the board have gone to NY is to ensure that the mum and dad investors and the 30,000 peaved employees who are also shareholders don't hijack the AGM and let these idiots have it. They have run scared which!
Most merchant banks have branches here and most of those are in the old Qantas building in Sydney. The reason Dicko and the board have gone to NY is to ensure that the mum and dad investors and the 30,000 peaved employees who are also shareholders don't hijack the AGM and let these idiots have it. They have run scared which!
Cougar, when you are asking for billions, like the QF Board is, you go to head office...in New York. My guess is also that Boeing and Airbus will be part of these discussions as well.
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Sunfish is right.
QF need to go talk to the people/persons who make the decision regarding that amount of money, not the Manager of the Local Branch. They have to go to Headoffice. It's a no brainer, sell the idea to the person who counts.
There is (or was) an investigation into the dunny blockage thing. It is very suspect, but the Engineers can be accounted for. Less said on the subject is better.
Which brings me to a very important comment.
It is fine to use this forum to discuss matters, vent your opinion, etc.
As it has already been said here by QF and outside posters, be very careful what you type into this forum. It can be dangerous and very desructuctive.
I have read some dumb stuff! Why do you think they use coded messages during war! Broadcasting potential plans over the Internet is just stupid.
Why not just call Geoff up and tell him in person what we are thinking to do.
If you have an idea email it or call our Fed Exec in person. Doing it publically is asking to fail. Management do read this guys! (Hi fellas, havinmg a stressfull day I hope).
Think before you post!!!!!!!!
SP keep it up son! Guys get behind him, and don't break ranks.
QF need to go talk to the people/persons who make the decision regarding that amount of money, not the Manager of the Local Branch. They have to go to Headoffice. It's a no brainer, sell the idea to the person who counts.
There is (or was) an investigation into the dunny blockage thing. It is very suspect, but the Engineers can be accounted for. Less said on the subject is better.
Which brings me to a very important comment.
It is fine to use this forum to discuss matters, vent your opinion, etc.
As it has already been said here by QF and outside posters, be very careful what you type into this forum. It can be dangerous and very desructuctive.
I have read some dumb stuff! Why do you think they use coded messages during war! Broadcasting potential plans over the Internet is just stupid.
Why not just call Geoff up and tell him in person what we are thinking to do.
If you have an idea email it or call our Fed Exec in person. Doing it publically is asking to fail. Management do read this guys! (Hi fellas, havinmg a stressfull day I hope).
Think before you post!!!!!!!!
SP keep it up son! Guys get behind him, and don't break ranks.