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Cougar, when you are asking for billions, like the QF Board is, you go to head office...in New York. My guess is also that Boeing and Airbus will be part of these discussions as well.
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Don't worry, I'm not responding to him. But what's with his modus operandi?
He gets on here in the evenings, then goes hell for leather (trying) to stir the sh*t up with everyone, then by the morning, he has deleted all his posts.
Is he not man enough, or have enough conviction in his ideas to keep them here? Or is he upto something else?
Thankfully, he is mostly being ignored.
He gets on here in the evenings, then goes hell for leather (trying) to stir the sh*t up with everyone, then by the morning, he has deleted all his posts.
Is he not man enough, or have enough conviction in his ideas to keep them here? Or is he upto something else?
Thankfully, he is mostly being ignored.
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Hey Dockie, hang in there. I think we all feel the same about the current management. Stay strong and support you buddies. We need people like you with your experience.
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QE Management - I Just Don't Get It!!!
For 21 months the ALAEA has been trying to negotiate in good faith. Qantas has just stonewalled us. 12 months ago, in a meeting with Cox, it was raised that lack of renumeration and training was resulting in staff leaving in record numbers for Qantas Engineering. "Are you aware of the long term ramifications?" was a question he choose not to answer. Nothing since has been done to rectify the situation, except for increasing the O/T.
Now, as part of our legal bargaining rights, O/T levels have reduced significantly. What does our esteemed management do? Starts getting A-Checks done in LAX. The problem is that Qantas is only getting the bare minimum done to stay legal. The aircraft aren't being maintained properly. The aircraft that returned back to Syd had over 50 defects (hold items) still outstanding.
This is part of the reason why QF2 has had 15 hour plus delays out of London the past 2 days (today's being an air turn-back), QF1 had an 16 hour delay on Monday, QF107 had a "return to gate" yesterday with an associated 4 hour delay. Does Qantas Engineering Management get it? The state of health of the Qantas fleet is declining rapidly. What's their response? Let's take more engineers away from maintaining the aircraft and turn them into managers. Let's see, approx. 14 engineers - average 25 years experience each - gone.
Why are they destroying Qantas's Safety / Reliability record? Why do they not care?
Now, as part of our legal bargaining rights, O/T levels have reduced significantly. What does our esteemed management do? Starts getting A-Checks done in LAX. The problem is that Qantas is only getting the bare minimum done to stay legal. The aircraft aren't being maintained properly. The aircraft that returned back to Syd had over 50 defects (hold items) still outstanding.
This is part of the reason why QF2 has had 15 hour plus delays out of London the past 2 days (today's being an air turn-back), QF1 had an 16 hour delay on Monday, QF107 had a "return to gate" yesterday with an associated 4 hour delay. Does Qantas Engineering Management get it? The state of health of the Qantas fleet is declining rapidly. What's their response? Let's take more engineers away from maintaining the aircraft and turn them into managers. Let's see, approx. 14 engineers - average 25 years experience each - gone.
Why are they destroying Qantas's Safety / Reliability record? Why do they not care?
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Millet Fanger I don't think that they get it.
It's way out of their ball park
These bunch of pukes just have no comprehension of the big picture.
It's way out of their ball park
These bunch of pukes just have no comprehension of the big picture.
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Sunfish and Boardman,
Qantas has 2 billion dollars in the bank, which was one of the main things Maquarie bank wanted to get its hands on. The Qantas accounts department flies over to Airbus or Boeing, gets on board the new plane, flies over international waters to avoid tax, hands a cheque over, the purchase papers are signed and the rego papers are handed back. Then just before the ink is dry a leasing company buys the aircraft off Qantas, draws up the lease agreemeny and QF signs the lease papers. QF has lost $300,000,000 for all of 5 minutes. Then in 1 months time they fly back over and do it again. Qantas is not in NY to borrow $20,000,000,000 no one has it except the arabs and Qf could not afford the payments. They are in NY to avoid a nasty reception from the average shareholder who wishes to vent his anger at;
1. Selling Qantas when it wasn't theirs to sell so the board and executives could pocket huge amounts of money.
2. The freight scam which has the potential to cost Qf hundreds of millions when domestic companies are ready to sue.
3. Dixon and Jacksons smug attitude during media interviews.
4. The collapse in the share price.
5. The constantly late and cancelled flights, and piss poor service because Qf doesn't want to look after its staff.
Dont be fooled, the AGM shoud be here in AUS!
Qantas has 2 billion dollars in the bank, which was one of the main things Maquarie bank wanted to get its hands on. The Qantas accounts department flies over to Airbus or Boeing, gets on board the new plane, flies over international waters to avoid tax, hands a cheque over, the purchase papers are signed and the rego papers are handed back. Then just before the ink is dry a leasing company buys the aircraft off Qantas, draws up the lease agreemeny and QF signs the lease papers. QF has lost $300,000,000 for all of 5 minutes. Then in 1 months time they fly back over and do it again. Qantas is not in NY to borrow $20,000,000,000 no one has it except the arabs and Qf could not afford the payments. They are in NY to avoid a nasty reception from the average shareholder who wishes to vent his anger at;
1. Selling Qantas when it wasn't theirs to sell so the board and executives could pocket huge amounts of money.
2. The freight scam which has the potential to cost Qf hundreds of millions when domestic companies are ready to sue.
3. Dixon and Jacksons smug attitude during media interviews.
4. The collapse in the share price.
5. The constantly late and cancelled flights, and piss poor service because Qf doesn't want to look after its staff.
Dont be fooled, the AGM shoud be here in AUS!
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Dont be fooled, the AGM shoud be here in AUS!
But I agree with your sentiments......
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staying strong and together
Very important to do.
I heard a disturbing thing yesterday about some seniors who won't play fair.
Who are these people really helping? very clearly just themselves.
C'mon guys, as I said before, HARD AND FAST. You are all worth it.
I heard a disturbing thing yesterday about some seniors who won't play fair.
Who are these people really helping? very clearly just themselves.
C'mon guys, as I said before, HARD AND FAST. You are all worth it.
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http://www.skynews.com.au/business/a...aspx?id=242119
Hmmmmm
Sorry no more than 3% we need you all to pay for our fine!!!!!!!!!! (management bonuses excluded)
Qantas price fixing
Updated: 08:25, Wednesday June 18, 2008
Qantas is due to settle with European and Australian regulators over accusations of illegal price fixing as part of an international air freight cartel.
The Financial Review reports that the airline is in settlement talks with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, with an expectation the final figure will run into the tens of millions of dollars.
The European regulator is also set to launch action against 26 airlines involved in the cartel.
Qantas and several other airlines have indicated they will admit liability to the European Commission.
Last year Qantas also pleaded guilty to the US Department of Justice and paid a US$61 million fine.
Updated: 08:25, Wednesday June 18, 2008
Qantas is due to settle with European and Australian regulators over accusations of illegal price fixing as part of an international air freight cartel.
The Financial Review reports that the airline is in settlement talks with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, with an expectation the final figure will run into the tens of millions of dollars.
The European regulator is also set to launch action against 26 airlines involved in the cartel.
Qantas and several other airlines have indicated they will admit liability to the European Commission.
Last year Qantas also pleaded guilty to the US Department of Justice and paid a US$61 million fine.
Sorry no more than 3% we need you all to pay for our fine!!!!!!!!!! (management bonuses excluded)
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Don't forget the upcoming class action either.
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...10-462,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...10-462,00.html
Melbourne class-action specialist Maurice Blackburn estimates potential damages at $200 million for Qantas customers who will claim they have been ripped off by the airline.
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CabinHostie,
Don't let this thread worry you.
On the floor, the LAME's are totally united and getting stronger each day. Whilst most (if not all) of us want to see the end of this thing, I've not seen even the slightest hint of a backdown. The bullying tactics are having little effect as members are pitching in to compensate those who are being targeted and docked pay for the cause.
Most seem confident in the fact that the Board are legally responsible for profit and loss, and there is only so much loss that can be sustained before the big investors will be asking some very hard questions of the board. It is only a matter of time before it will become obvious to all that this fight is costing more than the wage claim would have.
The fact remains that a Qf LAME at the bottom of the LAME pay scale earns less than a Qf AME (ie: not yet licensed) at the top of the his or her respective pay scale. In addition to that, it would take years and a good few licenses for a Qf LAME to be in any danger of out earning a jet* or VB LAME.
This campaign is not an ''Opportunistic grab for cash''', it's justified. Management ought to be panicking at the results of a campaign that has so far been little more than overtime bans. Its time they sort this EBA out and get started in fixing what was once a world leading operation.
Don't let this thread worry you.
On the floor, the LAME's are totally united and getting stronger each day. Whilst most (if not all) of us want to see the end of this thing, I've not seen even the slightest hint of a backdown. The bullying tactics are having little effect as members are pitching in to compensate those who are being targeted and docked pay for the cause.
Most seem confident in the fact that the Board are legally responsible for profit and loss, and there is only so much loss that can be sustained before the big investors will be asking some very hard questions of the board. It is only a matter of time before it will become obvious to all that this fight is costing more than the wage claim would have.
The fact remains that a Qf LAME at the bottom of the LAME pay scale earns less than a Qf AME (ie: not yet licensed) at the top of the his or her respective pay scale. In addition to that, it would take years and a good few licenses for a Qf LAME to be in any danger of out earning a jet* or VB LAME.
This campaign is not an ''Opportunistic grab for cash''', it's justified. Management ought to be panicking at the results of a campaign that has so far been little more than overtime bans. Its time they sort this EBA out and get started in fixing what was once a world leading operation.
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Target 3000
Repeat after me.
"One Hold Item per turnaround,per engineer,per flight attendant,per pilot per day!"
Lets all get together and make our dreams come true for 3000 hold items across the QF fleet by the end of June.
"One Hold Item per turnaround,per engineer,per flight attendant,per pilot per day!"
Lets all get together and make our dreams come true for 3000 hold items across the QF fleet by the end of June.
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Beware, turncoats in your midst. (Syd)
As I can't imagine one of them standing over even a 3 year old, I can only take it that you're talking of Cranky.
Well, you can tell Cranky where he can go and stick his supposed "Go Slow". Follow the PPM, take yourself to a computer and read/print out all the procedures. Just let him try and tell you otherwise. If he thinks he knows a better way to do it, then he can pull on the over-alls and do it himself. I guess all those years of being under the desk have paid off for him. He was once quoted as saying he'd sell his Grandmother to get a DE's job. I guess she must've died before he could get her on the market to secure one of those spots. As he's just been parachuted into one of the new desperately needed managers roles, one can only guess what it is that he's sold to get this gig. I guess credit to him for persistence is due, he's been eating all those fish-eyes for years, he even dumped tens of thousands of dollars into a "motor-launch' when it was thought that to be a part of the boat club, was the way to stardom.
Be aware also boys of new managers whom creep around. Especially the blatant self serving one, who after being despised on the floor with the foot soldiers, rode the highway to dizzy heights and now to eventual 'management' on the back of shafting one of his own co-workers. Those who know will remember 'HF antennae-gate'. Proof right there on that night that he too would sell out any one, at any cost, to show that he was willing to be 'moulded' by management hands - look how he's turned out! Disgraceful.
I wonder how the 'doyen' of spare engine's is going? I guess he 's sharpening his pen! Of course he'd be one of GD's poster boys for wage restraint. He'd be one of those 'average' LAME's earning 180K (and dumb enough to gloat about it) The only leech who can write his own roster - no nightshift, all weekend work (high penalty rates) do whatever you like. Of course 'roster' yourself on during the week on 'days off' for 'training' duties which will attract 'double' dollars. All this with the blessing of F Controller. All this while screwing his own team of Lames and transfering their duties to lesser paid ames from eng workshops. Brilliant management concepts at play there.
Yes, there are more examples but remember, they are the few and we are the many - patience, the plan is ticking over nicely, use M's ppm, CASA reg's and the maint manual. Don't let any talk of guilt sway our cause. It has nothing to do with us. If pax are delayed, it has nothing to do with us - let management front the pax and explain why it is they don't employ enough people, don't invest in training, don't purchase spares(or even worse - sell-off the ones that we did have), etc, etc, etc, you all know the reasons.
None of this is our doing, even now we are still working as hard as possible - hey, it's in our blood and impossible to change what we do. The only reason the fleet hasn't ground to a halt since the PIA started is of our continued goodwill and effort, it will be management's shortfalls that eventually start the groundings, and once they start - it will be one after the other - lest of course management approve the illegal operation of aircraft beyond maintenance intervals/defect rectification periods.
Stay safe out there, be patient, take 5, work safe and remember
"TO UNDERTAKE, SUPERVISE AND CERTIFY FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL WHO FLY"
Inspections being carried out at night, in the rain, with the new ops managers standing over you. If you stop for a minute to think, claims are made that you are going slow.
Well, you can tell Cranky where he can go and stick his supposed "Go Slow". Follow the PPM, take yourself to a computer and read/print out all the procedures. Just let him try and tell you otherwise. If he thinks he knows a better way to do it, then he can pull on the over-alls and do it himself. I guess all those years of being under the desk have paid off for him. He was once quoted as saying he'd sell his Grandmother to get a DE's job. I guess she must've died before he could get her on the market to secure one of those spots. As he's just been parachuted into one of the new desperately needed managers roles, one can only guess what it is that he's sold to get this gig. I guess credit to him for persistence is due, he's been eating all those fish-eyes for years, he even dumped tens of thousands of dollars into a "motor-launch' when it was thought that to be a part of the boat club, was the way to stardom.
Be aware also boys of new managers whom creep around. Especially the blatant self serving one, who after being despised on the floor with the foot soldiers, rode the highway to dizzy heights and now to eventual 'management' on the back of shafting one of his own co-workers. Those who know will remember 'HF antennae-gate'. Proof right there on that night that he too would sell out any one, at any cost, to show that he was willing to be 'moulded' by management hands - look how he's turned out! Disgraceful.
I wonder how the 'doyen' of spare engine's is going? I guess he 's sharpening his pen! Of course he'd be one of GD's poster boys for wage restraint. He'd be one of those 'average' LAME's earning 180K (and dumb enough to gloat about it) The only leech who can write his own roster - no nightshift, all weekend work (high penalty rates) do whatever you like. Of course 'roster' yourself on during the week on 'days off' for 'training' duties which will attract 'double' dollars. All this with the blessing of F Controller. All this while screwing his own team of Lames and transfering their duties to lesser paid ames from eng workshops. Brilliant management concepts at play there.
Yes, there are more examples but remember, they are the few and we are the many - patience, the plan is ticking over nicely, use M's ppm, CASA reg's and the maint manual. Don't let any talk of guilt sway our cause. It has nothing to do with us. If pax are delayed, it has nothing to do with us - let management front the pax and explain why it is they don't employ enough people, don't invest in training, don't purchase spares(or even worse - sell-off the ones that we did have), etc, etc, etc, you all know the reasons.
None of this is our doing, even now we are still working as hard as possible - hey, it's in our blood and impossible to change what we do. The only reason the fleet hasn't ground to a halt since the PIA started is of our continued goodwill and effort, it will be management's shortfalls that eventually start the groundings, and once they start - it will be one after the other - lest of course management approve the illegal operation of aircraft beyond maintenance intervals/defect rectification periods.
Stay safe out there, be patient, take 5, work safe and remember
"TO UNDERTAKE, SUPERVISE AND CERTIFY FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL WHO FLY"
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Inspections being carried out at night, in the rain, with the new ops managers standing over you.
If you stop for a minute to think, claims are made that you are going slow.
I've finally found a use for this word
assclown
Urban Dictionary: assclown
A person who is laughable and detestable at the same time.
Usually pretends to be a know-it-all,often
enhancing their stories,knowledge,
experience,and every thing in between
with pure bull****.
Inspections being carried out at night, in the rain, with the new ops managers standing over you.
If you stop for a minute to think, claims are made that you are going slow.
I've finally found a use for this word
assclown
Urban Dictionary: assclown
A person who is laughable and detestable at the same time.
Usually pretends to be a know-it-all,often
enhancing their stories,knowledge,
experience,and every thing in between
with pure bull****.
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Does anyone know but i'm curious to know whether or not these new ops managers positions were advertised? When were the interviews held for them?
I guess these positions didn't have to go through the usuall process with HR like every other person in QF has to go through to get a job or a new position? These new managers must have been walk up starters?
Can you shed some light on this MH?
I guess these positions didn't have to go through the usuall process with HR like every other person in QF has to go through to get a job or a new position? These new managers must have been walk up starters?
Can you shed some light on this MH?
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I heard there was a white notice put out for all these postions. My source said they were put on a notice board attached under each manager's desk. Apparently only a few people ever saw them.
Anyway, the place already has too many engineers... Why not create a few more bullsh!t postions. Before long we will all be managers...Then all the checks can go overseas because there are no engineers left to fix a/c.
What a f
ing circus. 
Does anyone know but i'm curious to know whether or not these new ops managers positions were advertised? When were the interviews held for them?
I guess these positions didn't have to go through the usuall process with HR like every other person in QF has to go through to get a job or a new position? These new managers must have been walk up starters?
Can you shed some light on this MH?
I guess these positions didn't have to go through the usuall process with HR like every other person in QF has to go through to get a job or a new position? These new managers must have been walk up starters?
Can you shed some light on this MH?
Anyway, the place already has too many engineers... Why not create a few more bullsh!t postions. Before long we will all be managers...Then all the checks can go overseas because there are no engineers left to fix a/c.
What a f
ing circus.
