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The following is all here say mind you: Recruiting has suffered in the latest cutbacks, possibly only the Manager staying on. The worst news and I hope that this will not be the case, DE recruitment will not restart for at least 18 months to 2 years.
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I understand that all other recruiting staff were made redundant. The manager is all that remains. Guess they'll just have to re-hire a department once they want to kick things over again.
Letter from recruitment today states recruitment for TSOs has now been put on hold indefinitely. I don't think even the most cheerful optimist would be expecting a gig in the next 12 months. More like 18-24 at best. Suppose lots of us are just lucky to have a job at all.
Letter from recruitment today states recruitment for TSOs has now been put on hold indefinitely. I don't think even the most cheerful optimist would be expecting a gig in the next 12 months. More like 18-24 at best. Suppose lots of us are just lucky to have a job at all.
Still amazed at FULL retesting. I can understand a 'catch up' interview/sim or some form of testing to make sure you haven't completely fallen off the wagon but I really can't see the value for either party of retesting psych and skills.
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I don't think even the most cheerful optimist would be expecting a gig in the next 12 months. More like 18-24 at best.
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These aren't 'new' orders, they're part of a bunch of orders that have been made over the last few years.
The real question is how many aircraft retirements are occurring at the same time. For the eight A380s I reckon you can count on eight 744s on the way out. For every A330 slated for mainline expect to see a 767 disappear. The orders also include aircraft for J* so they may recruit whilst QF do not.
Sorry to rain on the parade but I don't think we're going to return to the '12 a month' for quite a while yet.
The real question is how many aircraft retirements are occurring at the same time. For the eight A380s I reckon you can count on eight 744s on the way out. For every A330 slated for mainline expect to see a 767 disappear. The orders also include aircraft for J* so they may recruit whilst QF do not.
Sorry to rain on the parade but I don't think we're going to return to the '12 a month' for quite a while yet.
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so vb and j* are going gangbusters with interviews after a long drought. A recent article in the australian comments on QF mainline upping capacity.... does this infer that perhaps mainline may recruit again in 2010?
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So its now mid January, has anyone heard if they have done the re-forecast yet? With VB, JQ, NJS and a few others employing i wonder if qf will follow the trend.
Also, is MH still the person to contact in the recruitment department?
Also, is MH still the person to contact in the recruitment department?
Not likely I'm afraid.
Still a surplus of Second Officers at the moment.
There seems little hope, in the immediate future anyway, for any sort of progression, so current S/O's look like they will be there for a while. Some are even considering contracts with O/S carriers under LWOP....I know I am
Company is currently hiding S/O's on the 380, so I can't see any new hires for some time to come.
Still a surplus of Second Officers at the moment.
There seems little hope, in the immediate future anyway, for any sort of progression, so current S/O's look like they will be there for a while. Some are even considering contracts with O/S carriers under LWOP....I know I am
Company is currently hiding S/O's on the 380, so I can't see any new hires for some time to come.
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It will be years before qf hires i'm afraid, all the growth in JQ.
Also, possible redundancies of around 200+ so no chance of recruiting for ages.....
However, we have all seen the industry change so quickly so who the hell really knows!
Also, possible redundancies of around 200+ so no chance of recruiting for ages.....
However, we have all seen the industry change so quickly so who the hell really knows!
Definately overstaffed but not sure about 200+ S/O's over the top. Still closer to the 100 - 150 mark IMHO..... may very well be wrong though!
With new routes for the 330, looks like that fleet will actually require more numbers but would imagine they will be assigned from the 400, which will start its planned scale back this year. (These are second officer numbers I'm talking about)
Until there is any sort of a sustained global recovery, and there are small signs things are starting to pick up for what it's worth, or the 60 plus' decide to cash in their chips and make way for those below, I can't see any hiring for years to come. If redundancies eventuate, those that are affected will be first cab off the rank when it comes to re-hiring. At its busiest, training wise, QF put on about 150 - 180 S/O's in the span of about 12 to 18 months. Given anyone made redundant will require 6 months notice, however long till they are put back on and time taken to train however many are affected, we are talking years I think.... but again, that's IMHO
Virgin and Jet* are putting on considerable numbers this year. Instead of waiting for the QF train, which isn't even moving at the moment, perhaps an application with those two may yield more fruitful results.
Best of luck to those affected, both waiting to see if they keep their jobs and those waiting to get one.
With new routes for the 330, looks like that fleet will actually require more numbers but would imagine they will be assigned from the 400, which will start its planned scale back this year. (These are second officer numbers I'm talking about)
Until there is any sort of a sustained global recovery, and there are small signs things are starting to pick up for what it's worth, or the 60 plus' decide to cash in their chips and make way for those below, I can't see any hiring for years to come. If redundancies eventuate, those that are affected will be first cab off the rank when it comes to re-hiring. At its busiest, training wise, QF put on about 150 - 180 S/O's in the span of about 12 to 18 months. Given anyone made redundant will require 6 months notice, however long till they are put back on and time taken to train however many are affected, we are talking years I think.... but again, that's IMHO
Virgin and Jet* are putting on considerable numbers this year. Instead of waiting for the QF train, which isn't even moving at the moment, perhaps an application with those two may yield more fruitful results.
Best of luck to those affected, both waiting to see if they keep their jobs and those waiting to get one.
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34R you suggest applying to Jetstar given Qantas is not recruiting. Isn't Jetstar expanding because people are willing to work for their lower pay?
Jetstar must be rubbing their hands together in glee at the current situation given that they ran out of suitable applicants in the last up turn.
It's a big call but waiting for Qantas could pay off in the long run.
Jetstar must be rubbing their hands together in glee at the current situation given that they ran out of suitable applicants in the last up turn.
It's a big call but waiting for Qantas could pay off in the long run.
BombsGone, I am not suggesting you do anything.
If anybody wants to wait for QF to start hiring again, then so be it. I hope the wait is a short one. (Trust me I need as many seniority numbers below me as I can get
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Bear in mind though, that in order to prevent as many redundancies as possible, the mainline pilot group are trying to make available to its pilots some of the positions slotted in for jet*'s expansion. Whether or not it happens is anyones guess, but if it does, and you hold out for an eventual position, you may very well find yourself strapped into a orange and silver jet at some stage in your Qantas career anyway.
As a mainline pilot, obviously I would like to see some expansion come our way, but it just aint looking like happening at this particular point in time. Qantas looks certain to resemble very little of itself as it once did years ago.
If anybody wants to wait for QF to start hiring again, then so be it. I hope the wait is a short one. (Trust me I need as many seniority numbers below me as I can get
)Bear in mind though, that in order to prevent as many redundancies as possible, the mainline pilot group are trying to make available to its pilots some of the positions slotted in for jet*'s expansion. Whether or not it happens is anyones guess, but if it does, and you hold out for an eventual position, you may very well find yourself strapped into a orange and silver jet at some stage in your Qantas career anyway.
As a mainline pilot, obviously I would like to see some expansion come our way, but it just aint looking like happening at this particular point in time. Qantas looks certain to resemble very little of itself as it once did years ago.
Thinking about this the other day.
I have a theory. Be it wrong or right, only time will tell.
A lot of captain's and older f/o's who were unable to climb the seniority tree quick enough, would have lost considerable amounts of money in 2008/2009 global crisis.
For the one's who held on to their jobs in the hope of a turn around before retirement, I am sure, would have drawn a fairly deep line in the sand and will be thinking to themselves, if my stocks, shares or geared fund reaches point X and I have X amount in the bank, then I am out of the game. Seriously, the older drivers can not risk another collapse. They can not afford to lose money in that way again.
I feel that the surplus that is spoken of, will be absorbed through retirements in 2010. Having seen the pay out given to darth after we took a flexi line in order to save our jobs, they have money. The DON'T want to get rid of us. They want the current pilots to work there, the flexi line was a drive down of pay (and conditions, as leave is accrued at the rate of the hours you take for the bid period).
There will be no redundancies, I feel there might be just enough with the retirements at the top, and hopefully a bit of movement onwards and upwards. There are training slots already under way in Qantas. Guys are being trained up on the 737 for Perth spots and a few over east, Perth is a port that should expand given that Qantas are upgrading the terminals at Broome, Karratha and Headland. I would expect to see the operation in WA grow, especially backed by the Gorgon Project off Barrow Island. I know they are not contracted for the work, but struth, there has to be a flow on effect resulting from an extra 3000 people working in that area!
The 330 training is ramping up. Things on the 74's might be slow, but with a reduction of numbers, and the replacement of the 747's with one A380 each time, they still need drivers for them. IF the dugon replaced 2 747's at a time, then I would be concerned. Expect the 74's to be around in some capacity for many many years to come. They don't retire fleet's quickly. Eg, the 767 and the Classic. The 74's that are painted in the new paint scheme will hang around for a long while, the old paint job planes, I would have thought will start to be retired. One more new A330 coming too.
There is room to move in Qantas. In Qantas, not into Qantas.
im(a)ho.
I have a theory. Be it wrong or right, only time will tell.
A lot of captain's and older f/o's who were unable to climb the seniority tree quick enough, would have lost considerable amounts of money in 2008/2009 global crisis.
For the one's who held on to their jobs in the hope of a turn around before retirement, I am sure, would have drawn a fairly deep line in the sand and will be thinking to themselves, if my stocks, shares or geared fund reaches point X and I have X amount in the bank, then I am out of the game. Seriously, the older drivers can not risk another collapse. They can not afford to lose money in that way again.
I feel that the surplus that is spoken of, will be absorbed through retirements in 2010. Having seen the pay out given to darth after we took a flexi line in order to save our jobs, they have money. The DON'T want to get rid of us. They want the current pilots to work there, the flexi line was a drive down of pay (and conditions, as leave is accrued at the rate of the hours you take for the bid period).
There will be no redundancies, I feel there might be just enough with the retirements at the top, and hopefully a bit of movement onwards and upwards. There are training slots already under way in Qantas. Guys are being trained up on the 737 for Perth spots and a few over east, Perth is a port that should expand given that Qantas are upgrading the terminals at Broome, Karratha and Headland. I would expect to see the operation in WA grow, especially backed by the Gorgon Project off Barrow Island. I know they are not contracted for the work, but struth, there has to be a flow on effect resulting from an extra 3000 people working in that area!
The 330 training is ramping up. Things on the 74's might be slow, but with a reduction of numbers, and the replacement of the 747's with one A380 each time, they still need drivers for them. IF the dugon replaced 2 747's at a time, then I would be concerned. Expect the 74's to be around in some capacity for many many years to come. They don't retire fleet's quickly. Eg, the 767 and the Classic. The 74's that are painted in the new paint scheme will hang around for a long while, the old paint job planes, I would have thought will start to be retired. One more new A330 coming too.
There is room to move in Qantas. In Qantas, not into Qantas.
im(a)ho.