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Spoken with HR recently, and it was mentioned that there most likley will be some form of re-testing for LOI holders. It appears that if one person is re-tested, than the whole group will need to be also...
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One of my mates in there told me that a couple of SO mates he has have been sitting the test to trial it and gave those vague details of what was in it. I'm sure recruitment will enlighten everyone when the time comes.
One of my mates in there told me that a couple of SO mates he has have been sitting the test to trial it and gave those vague details of what was in it. I'm sure recruitment will enlighten everyone when the time comes.
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Sounds like Double Jeopardy to me.... being tried for the same crime twice.
If you've passed the tests, met the requirements, and have a letter stating intent to employ - how can they possibly ask you to be retested??
Have those test results, interviews, sim rides and reference checks all of a sudden become invalid??
I understand that that they can defer employment for whatever reason they choose. However I find it extremely disappointing that they would go back on their own word and now say all of a sudden that you don't meet their requirements and need retesting...
If you’ve failed – you’ve failed.
If you’ve passed…….you’ve passed.
Should be end of story.
If you've passed the tests, met the requirements, and have a letter stating intent to employ - how can they possibly ask you to be retested??
Have those test results, interviews, sim rides and reference checks all of a sudden become invalid??
I understand that that they can defer employment for whatever reason they choose. However I find it extremely disappointing that they would go back on their own word and now say all of a sudden that you don't meet their requirements and need retesting...
If you’ve failed – you’ve failed.
If you’ve passed…….you’ve passed.
Should be end of story.
You'd think so wouldn't you? It's their train set so they can do what they like but the logic just doesn't flow. If all LOI holders had have started within their expected dates then they wouldn't have had to do retesting again.
The only possible reason I can see is that they believe that once you're in the Qantas training system, your aptitude is monitored and controlled through cyclics, route checks etc and therefore you don't need to sit testing again. They have direct access to other means to assess and maintain through training. Otherwise, why wouldn't every employee have to redo 'testing' every couple of years?
It's true to a point but if that's the case, why will Qantas group employees with LOIs for have to complete the testing again? HR has direct access to all the same cyclic and route check records as well as any direct performance/personal reference on any level that they like.
The only possible reason I can see is that they believe that once you're in the Qantas training system, your aptitude is monitored and controlled through cyclics, route checks etc and therefore you don't need to sit testing again. They have direct access to other means to assess and maintain through training. Otherwise, why wouldn't every employee have to redo 'testing' every couple of years?
It's true to a point but if that's the case, why will Qantas group employees with LOIs for have to complete the testing again? HR has direct access to all the same cyclic and route check records as well as any direct performance/personal reference on any level that they like.
Guys whilst its poor form about the retesting what my have escaped some people here is that this is a perfect way to cull the numbers of LOI holders. I seriously doubt what comes out of the recruitment office as they have absolutely no idea of what is going on. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. The last conversation I had was brilliant. When told nothing till at least the second half of this year I then asked how many people they were taking on. Their reply? Planning thinks the number of people with LOI are about the number of people we need. Vague yes and with a hell of a lot of get out clauses to I bet.
This retesting is a perfect way for QF to turn around and get rid of as many people they want without saying we stuffed up. QF will not admit that it over recruited and were giving out as many LOI as possible, now they face massively slower growth.
Morals and QF don't really mix.
This retesting is a perfect way for QF to turn around and get rid of as many people they want without saying we stuffed up. QF will not admit that it over recruited and were giving out as many LOI as possible, now they face massively slower growth.
Morals and QF don't really mix.
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Qf are still getting 3-4 more 380s this year......thats still a number of SOs needed even with SOs coming from both the 744 and 330 onto the 380, so I doubt retesting is a covert way to cull over-estimated numbers on LOIs (seeing that there's only 50 or so LOIs out there). I really cant understand the logic behind recruitment on this one though 
mcgrath50 QF have themselves said that they dont know the form of retesting and from what dragun has said shl are no longer being used so that doesnt explain it either.
Bo777 I still think this is a way of QF getting out of their letters. Yes they do have aircraft arriving but how many aircraft are retiring and how much has the flying been reduced recently? PVG gone and no more direct mubai. Add to that someone mentioned being overcrewed in other areas and upgrades taking longer than in the past, it all adds up to much less crew needed going forward.
Sadly I think their will be no recruitment for the rest of the year or next. Not that I am happy about that. I wanted to come home!
Bo777 I still think this is a way of QF getting out of their letters. Yes they do have aircraft arriving but how many aircraft are retiring and how much has the flying been reduced recently? PVG gone and no more direct mubai. Add to that someone mentioned being overcrewed in other areas and upgrades taking longer than in the past, it all adds up to much less crew needed going forward.
Sadly I think their will be no recruitment for the rest of the year or next. Not that I am happy about that. I wanted to come home!
Recruitment has been calling all LOI holders over the last couple of days saying that the next planned course is for September...subject to a re-forecast in May. Which means any planned course is not really planned. Can't really blame them though, they have no more idea about what's going on in the world than anyone else.
From the mouth of babes, the tests will no longer be SHL but they will be similar enough that you can still do the same practice quizs.
I myself have heard rumours that both Swinburne 2010 cadetship are likely to run.
(Note the unconvincing language of that sentance. But we can hope and dream
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I myself have heard rumours that both Swinburne 2010 cadetship are likely to run.
(Note the unconvincing language of that sentance. But we can hope and dream
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I myself have heard rumours that both Swinburne 2010 cadetship are likely to run.
Would not surprise me. The cadets are never guaranteed employment, and the amount of money they give straight to QF for a proverbial 'foot in the door' would to too good to pass up.
Would not surprise me. The cadets are never guaranteed employment, and the amount of money they give straight to QF for a proverbial 'foot in the door' would to too good to pass up.
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Would not surprise me. The cadets are never guaranteed employment, and the amount of money they give straight to QF for a proverbial 'foot in the door' would to too good to pass up.
Since when do cadets pay anything to QF beyond that which any DE applicant provides (psychometric and medical testing cost recovery)?
Even if we were to assume QF gets a cut of the training cost (which they don't) do you think it would be worth the staff hours required to process applicants and then monitor the cadet over 3+ years?
The Cadetship costs QF money, at least in the short term. All the money goes to the Unis and FTOs.
QF would only run the cadetship if they expected there to be jobs for the Cadets at the end of it. The Pilot Recruitment team isn't all bad evil people trying to ruin young, bright-eyed, students into a failed career
QF would only run the cadetship if they expected there to be jobs for the Cadets at the end of it. The Pilot Recruitment team isn't all bad evil people trying to ruin young, bright-eyed, students into a failed career
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The Cadetship costs QF money, at least in the short term. All the money goes to the Unis and FTOs.
QF would only run the cadetship if they expected there to be jobs for the Cadets at the end of it. The Pilot Recruitment team isn't all bad evil people trying to ruin young, bright-eyed, students into a failed career
QF would only run the cadetship if they expected there to be jobs for the Cadets at the end of it. The Pilot Recruitment team isn't all bad evil people trying to ruin young, bright-eyed, students into a failed career
Im gonna back up Damo here. What the QF cadetship testing was during the latter parts of 2008 was a total cash grab- i was involved too in paying my money probably 600+ after interview, med etc and they knew a course wouldnt be run.
Put it this way- at least 1 of the qf recruiters from last year has been fired- it wasnt because they asked to be- some decisions made last year and with Qlink traineeship etc etc were extremely poor and now you have poor bastards on hold with Qlink who have left jobs in g/a to find their now out of work and cant find those jobs they once took for granted up in Broome or wherever.
Yes, I may sound cynical but Qantas would not have changed the terms and conditions of cadetship to what they are now- ie find your own work for 2 years and no guarantee of job at end of that if they were guaranteeing a job.