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Course Numbers
Apparently either the course about to start or the one after it will only have 8 people in it.
On completion of the traineeship, a few direct entrys will probably join the sucessful candidates in sydney as well . There have been 14 per traineeship course thus far. So half the amount is almost right. They really don't want odd numbers due to pairings in the synthetic trainer.
Not much point pushing heaps of people through when there are limited simulator slots and then limited training captains available to take on the new FOs. I've also heard that, due to VB cutting back on intakes, less Qlink pilots will be leaving and therefore there is less demand for new recruits. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Bort.
On completion of the traineeship, a few direct entrys will probably join the sucessful candidates in sydney as well . There have been 14 per traineeship course thus far. So half the amount is almost right. They really don't want odd numbers due to pairings in the synthetic trainer.
Not much point pushing heaps of people through when there are limited simulator slots and then limited training captains available to take on the new FOs. I've also heard that, due to VB cutting back on intakes, less Qlink pilots will be leaving and therefore there is less demand for new recruits. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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This whole QL Traineeship I'm on, now I'm off, has become a bore!
I know of 3 FO's who have recently completed sim and interviews with VB and awaiting the green light and will be departing soon. This program was only announced 6 months ago and has already been halved, slowed down, whatever. What significant issue not already present in January has changed in this timeframe? Would you say bad management, poor situation awareness, all of the above? At the end of the day, people will get sick of being kept in the dark, and waiting in a holding pattern. Some will move on, others will come onboard only to leave soon after. Do you see a trend?
QL - get your act together, make a decision, stick to it, pay your people a little more (at least more than Surveillance Australia), and this whole pathetic cycle will be be arrested, and people might even decide to make a career as a QL Pilot.
LB
I know of 3 FO's who have recently completed sim and interviews with VB and awaiting the green light and will be departing soon. This program was only announced 6 months ago and has already been halved, slowed down, whatever. What significant issue not already present in January has changed in this timeframe? Would you say bad management, poor situation awareness, all of the above? At the end of the day, people will get sick of being kept in the dark, and waiting in a holding pattern. Some will move on, others will come onboard only to leave soon after. Do you see a trend?
QL - get your act together, make a decision, stick to it, pay your people a little more (at least more than Surveillance Australia), and this whole pathetic cycle will be be arrested, and people might even decide to make a career as a QL Pilot.
LB
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Apparently either the course about to start or the one after it will only have 8 people in it.
Does anyone know what this means for those with conditional offers?
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Capt Mo
Capt Mo,
How was stage 3? I'm booked in for DE stage 3 next month (not cancelled yet).
Any hints to pass on?
Also, can anyone direct me to where i can download a Q400 add on for the flight sim x? all I can find is paint scheme addons.... If there are none out there what's a good substitue for the heavy q400 to practise on?
lesgo
How was stage 3? I'm booked in for DE stage 3 next month (not cancelled yet).
Any hints to pass on?
Also, can anyone direct me to where i can download a Q400 add on for the flight sim x? all I can find is paint scheme addons.... If there are none out there what's a good substitue for the heavy q400 to practise on?
lesgo
"Littlebird".
Once again someone with "Situational Awareness" stating what should be the bl@@dy obvious. If the clowns that come up with these bright ideas were required to display the same level of rationale that we are expected to display daily, they wouldn't even make it past the carpark!
There is, and always has been only one answer to this situation. Unfortunately, it's more about short term penny pinching rather than long term stability.
So the architechs of these schemes have no hesitation in st#ffing around those people that have no real right of reply. They do this because because they can, and because of a lack of "Situational Awareness" in a rapidly changing environment. The Cadets (REX) and the Trainees (QFLink) are paying the price for management incompetance.
Once again someone with "Situational Awareness" stating what should be the bl@@dy obvious. If the clowns that come up with these bright ideas were required to display the same level of rationale that we are expected to display daily, they wouldn't even make it past the carpark!
There is, and always has been only one answer to this situation. Unfortunately, it's more about short term penny pinching rather than long term stability.
So the architechs of these schemes have no hesitation in st#ffing around those people that have no real right of reply. They do this because because they can, and because of a lack of "Situational Awareness" in a rapidly changing environment. The Cadets (REX) and the Trainees (QFLink) are paying the price for management incompetance.
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Whilst waiting at Melbourne last night for my nicely delayed flight, I happened to talk to some 763 pilots about getting into QF.
They said the QL way would probably be the best, and to look out for the seminars.
After some research I cant find any info about any seminars, so would anyone on here be able to direct/inform me of any.
Thanks!
They said the QL way would probably be the best, and to look out for the seminars.
After some research I cant find any info about any seminars, so would anyone on here be able to direct/inform me of any.
Thanks!
I was not intending to give the impression that I am unaware of the Q link situmacrisis, I have been reading this thread and various other forms of information and mis information in addition to having several former coleagues and friends currently in QLink.
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Back to the top again, fellas!
Did the testing of the 17th go ahead?
Does anyone want to share the experience?
Here is a brief version of my experience recently -
I was there with 2 other guys –
One was from Burketown in North Queensland and was flying a Chieftain and a Baron (and probably some singles).
The other was from Adelaide.
Both had about 1,300 TT and ?300 twin. A CIR with maybe one renewal. That’s about all I know about them. You don’t have much time to chat as you all have the 3 components of the day at different times and just pass in the corridor.
There were some very low hour trainees doing sim training there.
INTERVIEW
I was happy with my interview and the questions were positive.
2 guys. One is HR. The other is a pilot. The first half hour is personal with the HR guy asking most of the questions.
“Tell us about what you have done since school”. “Give us 3 positive attributes that you have”. “Tell us about a time you had an argument with a colleague. How was it resolved?” “What did you do to prepare for this interview?” “Tell us about a time you stuffed up?”
The answers aren’t important. Take your time answering them and ask them to clarify anything that may be nebulous, it gives you more time to think too. Put yourself across positively without crossing the line to delusions of grandeur.
They just want to see what you are like and if they would like to spend a day in a cockpit with you. Relax and smile.
You then get about 10 minutes to grab a coffee, decrease your tachycardia and wipe the sweat from your neck. The second half hour is technical. Straight off a sheet. He doesn’t even look at you.
“Read this TAF. Do you need an alternate? Brief this approach. What is the most easterly port that Eastern fly to? What engines are on the Dashes? How do you know if you have the required vis. at the min. on an ILS? When can you make a visual approach? When can descend below the MDA?”
About 2 pages of that sort of thing. He just ticks them if you get them right so don’t waffle on like the personal interview session. Most have 3 word answers. It took me a while to work that out, I am not very smart…
I was told that the rate of pilots leaving had decreased and (I think) only 1 had resigned in the last 2 months.
They didn’t take my Police Record Check, HSC, copies of references or passport, or anything else from what I can gather. I don’t know if this was an oversight of they just wanted to see them.
HOT TIP -Buy a $2 presentation folder, it all looks so much better in that rather than just throwing a stack of paper at them.
SIM
The Q400 was very heavy in aileron and elevator control. I found a LOT of lag esp. with aileron and was over controlling in roll ++. You do the 2 approaches. A steep turn thru 360 degrees in a direction of your choice, an easy NDB intercept and track to the aid. Know the power settings and attitudes (as if I could hold them
) Trimming of aileron and rudder is required all the time. They allege that they don’t expect you to fly well, they just want to see an improvement during the flight. Plenty of room for me then!
MEDICAL
At least as thorough as any Class One you have done. Audiometry, 12 lead ECG, spirometry, urine, full neuro exam etc. Not much you can do to prepare for it. Remember to take your blood results and eye test.
The whole thing goes from 10 till 4 so don’t make any other plans for the day. It takes a while for your head to stop spinning.
I hope that helps some of you. Good luck to all.
Did the testing of the 17th go ahead?
Does anyone want to share the experience?
Here is a brief version of my experience recently -
I was there with 2 other guys –
One was from Burketown in North Queensland and was flying a Chieftain and a Baron (and probably some singles).
The other was from Adelaide.
Both had about 1,300 TT and ?300 twin. A CIR with maybe one renewal. That’s about all I know about them. You don’t have much time to chat as you all have the 3 components of the day at different times and just pass in the corridor.
There were some very low hour trainees doing sim training there.
INTERVIEW
I was happy with my interview and the questions were positive.
2 guys. One is HR. The other is a pilot. The first half hour is personal with the HR guy asking most of the questions.
“Tell us about what you have done since school”. “Give us 3 positive attributes that you have”. “Tell us about a time you had an argument with a colleague. How was it resolved?” “What did you do to prepare for this interview?” “Tell us about a time you stuffed up?”
The answers aren’t important. Take your time answering them and ask them to clarify anything that may be nebulous, it gives you more time to think too. Put yourself across positively without crossing the line to delusions of grandeur.
They just want to see what you are like and if they would like to spend a day in a cockpit with you. Relax and smile. You then get about 10 minutes to grab a coffee, decrease your tachycardia and wipe the sweat from your neck. The second half hour is technical. Straight off a sheet. He doesn’t even look at you.
“Read this TAF. Do you need an alternate? Brief this approach. What is the most easterly port that Eastern fly to? What engines are on the Dashes? How do you know if you have the required vis. at the min. on an ILS? When can you make a visual approach? When can descend below the MDA?”
About 2 pages of that sort of thing. He just ticks them if you get them right so don’t waffle on like the personal interview session. Most have 3 word answers. It took me a while to work that out, I am not very smart…
I was told that the rate of pilots leaving had decreased and (I think) only 1 had resigned in the last 2 months.
They didn’t take my Police Record Check, HSC, copies of references or passport, or anything else from what I can gather. I don’t know if this was an oversight of they just wanted to see them.
HOT TIP -Buy a $2 presentation folder, it all looks so much better in that rather than just throwing a stack of paper at them.
SIM
The Q400 was very heavy in aileron and elevator control. I found a LOT of lag esp. with aileron and was over controlling in roll ++. You do the 2 approaches. A steep turn thru 360 degrees in a direction of your choice, an easy NDB intercept and track to the aid. Know the power settings and attitudes (as if I could hold them
) Trimming of aileron and rudder is required all the time. They allege that they don’t expect you to fly well, they just want to see an improvement during the flight. Plenty of room for me then!MEDICAL
At least as thorough as any Class One you have done. Audiometry, 12 lead ECG, spirometry, urine, full neuro exam etc. Not much you can do to prepare for it. Remember to take your blood results and eye test.
The whole thing goes from 10 till 4 so don’t make any other plans for the day. It takes a while for your head to stop spinning.
I hope that helps some of you. Good luck to all.
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Gday,
Has anyone who completed the 6th July Psychometric testing, or who has had an interview since heard any outcomes whether positive or negative? I fall into both groups and havent heard anything, nor do I know of anyone who has.
Just curious as it has all gone quiet.
Mo
Has anyone who completed the 6th July Psychometric testing, or who has had an interview since heard any outcomes whether positive or negative? I fall into both groups and havent heard anything, nor do I know of anyone who has.
Just curious as it has all gone quiet.
Mo
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i was given the reject letter and was told i require more industry experience which makes sense considering they cant be so choosy anymore with their candidates as the course numbers have been cut to 4 and they have so many conditional entries out there. shattered but life goes on i guess.
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GA Benefits
Well, at least some beneficial aspects will become apparent out of all of this: GA will now swell with pilots; Instructors will once again fill the flying school/club class rooms; Kids will still spend obscenely gross amounts of cash in the hope of gaining a left seat in a clapped out Chieftain or C-310; students will be left to rot at metropolitan airports because they don't want to move away from mummy & daddy and chase jobs in rural areas, and those fortunate enough to be wearing a charcoal uniform with gold braid on their sleeves will forever wonder when the axe will fall on them. There will always be those who don't appreciate what they have and believe the grass is always greener on the other side.
Ah ... aviation.
Sons' and Daughters' of the well connected will always gazump the guy who took the hard road to obtaining that dream job with QANTAS. It's all about nepitism.
Flying will become firmly the domain of the rich and well connected.
Back to the 1950's again.
Ah ... aviation.
Sons' and Daughters' of the well connected will always gazump the guy who took the hard road to obtaining that dream job with QANTAS. It's all about nepitism.
Flying will become firmly the domain of the rich and well connected.
Back to the 1950's again.
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Hi all.
Has anyone received a letter of employment from Qantaslink but with no starting date like me? I just get told to wait, don't know for what or how long...
If anyone’s got news on how things are going with new F/O’s waiting for a start date, please give me a shout!
Thanx
Has anyone received a letter of employment from Qantaslink but with no starting date like me? I just get told to wait, don't know for what or how long...
If anyone’s got news on how things are going with new F/O’s waiting for a start date, please give me a shout!
Thanx