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Interesting times Krusty...I had been "absolutely guaranteed" an interview with a company..Two weeks later I rang them only to be told that they had employed some pilots who were "already endorsed on type... you know how it is." And they wonder why pilots shaft them and show no loyalty. I have been out of the industry for over two years and it is has been so refreshing to deal with people who actually appreciate what you do for them.
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Hey Everyone
Im also in this "competitive hold" file till 1st or 2nd quarter 2009.
Who knows what will happen if anything. I have spoken to so many people in the same boat and read the responses here and have decided to continue building my experience, keep taking jobs and if they offer a start date - great, if not then I wont feel like ive put my life on hold for the next 6-9 months (or longer) just to be dissapointed like everyone else. I've even just accepted a new casual job with a great employer who is very reasonable and knows and is fine that I may only be there for 6 months or so.
I feel bad for the guys who have left their current jobs to do their ATPLs or had start dates and have been delayed or postponed indefinately
, good luck to you all and hope everything works out.
Cheers,
Capt Mo
Im also in this "competitive hold" file till 1st or 2nd quarter 2009.
Who knows what will happen if anything. I have spoken to so many people in the same boat and read the responses here and have decided to continue building my experience, keep taking jobs and if they offer a start date - great, if not then I wont feel like ive put my life on hold for the next 6-9 months (or longer) just to be dissapointed like everyone else. I've even just accepted a new casual job with a great employer who is very reasonable and knows and is fine that I may only be there for 6 months or so.
I feel bad for the guys who have left their current jobs to do their ATPLs or had start dates and have been delayed or postponed indefinately
, good luck to you all and hope everything works out.Cheers,
Capt Mo
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I guess in 6 months time when they go to battle stations again or when ever the next reactive actions comes about everyone with conditions offers that has given up jobs and been burnt will not trust them and stick with what they’ve got which will possibly have better conditions anyway than a 4 year and your first born child sign up deal! 
Then what QL go to the media again and cry about those nasty pilots that arn't loyal to the poor little regional carriers...
Then what QL go to the media again and cry about those nasty pilots that arn't loyal to the poor little regional carriers...
Very irresponsible comment.You should have thought about your family before you did this
I'm on hold like everyone else it seems. I've gone back to my old job. I wont be holding my breath. I do feel for people who have made real sacrifices on the word of QL, only to then get burned at a mere whim with little or no explanation.
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G..day all
G’day all
Just got a letter from Qlink……
Basically told me to ‘Pi$$ O%F”….after stage 4….
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Called most of my referee…infact two of my referee called me and told me they sounded really enthusiastic…looks like you got the job….!!!!
Experince…
1800TT ATPL 600JET…
Now I know why I went overseas…Aviation here is soo fickle
Anyway…. Upon hearing the news I bought Dash 8 POH book thought I’ll do some heads up study….so now I am stuck with it
…need to get rid of it so if anyone interested pm me….
Good luck to all….
Just got a letter from Qlink……
Basically told me to ‘Pi$$ O%F”….after stage 4….
.Called most of my referee…infact two of my referee called me and told me they sounded really enthusiastic…looks like you got the job….!!!!
Experince…
1800TT ATPL 600JET…
Now I know why I went overseas…Aviation here is soo fickle
Anyway…. Upon hearing the news I bought Dash 8 POH book thought I’ll do some heads up study….so now I am stuck with it
…need to get rid of it so if anyone interested pm me….Good luck to all….
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I got the email today from QL saying that they have changed their requirements. I only have low hrs and no MECIR, not all ATPLS and 80 hrs PIC. They now want 100 hrs and MECIR before commencement of the course.
With the current economic climate I feel its to much to ask and really who's to say they will not change these mins again. To me this does not seem like a 'traineeship' anymore.
Time to continue with my career outside of the industry. I just hate how QL have treated those with conditional offers and those that have left jobs to get current only to say 'thanks but no thanks'.....this treatment of prospective applicants/employees just doesnt happen in the 'real' world!
With the current economic climate I feel its to much to ask and really who's to say they will not change these mins again. To me this does not seem like a 'traineeship' anymore.
Time to continue with my career outside of the industry. I just hate how QL have treated those with conditional offers and those that have left jobs to get current only to say 'thanks but no thanks'.....this treatment of prospective applicants/employees just doesnt happen in the 'real' world!
Anyone see the Perfect Storm on Movie Extra other night? When faced with a bare ocean with few fish, the crew decide that they want to cut their losses and head for home. The Captain (George Clooney) summed it up in one phrase. "So now we have arrived at the moment of truth".
I don't think I've met one man, and even some women, that didn't at one time or another want to become a pilot. The very small percentage that suceed quite often throw logic, and in many cases financial secruity and even relationships to the wind. The others cut their losses and head for home. Those that do cut their losses may very well be showing better judgement than those who persevere.
There has never been a better time to get into the game. But the game is still every bit as ruthless and uncompromising. If you only got into the game, or the only reason you got back into the game is because of a shortcut (see Traineeship, Cadetship, etc..) then maybe this game isn't for you after all!
I don't think I've met one man, and even some women, that didn't at one time or another want to become a pilot. The very small percentage that suceed quite often throw logic, and in many cases financial secruity and even relationships to the wind. The others cut their losses and head for home. Those that do cut their losses may very well be showing better judgement than those who persevere.
There has never been a better time to get into the game. But the game is still every bit as ruthless and uncompromising. If you only got into the game, or the only reason you got back into the game is because of a shortcut (see Traineeship, Cadetship, etc..) then maybe this game isn't for you after all!
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You should have thought about your family before you did this and coming with a "What the F do I do now" attitude doesn't show your concern for your family
QFcaptain, what kind of self-rejoice w%$ker comes out with that kind of comment
Best of luck with that attitude of yours.....
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Something light for those that have been burnt..
YouTube - Ronnie Johns - Chopper - Harden the **** Up
YouTube - Ronnie Johns - Chopper - Harden the **** Up
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Lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth going on here. It seems people who arent even employed by QFlink are suffering from managements reactive approach to challenges in the industry. It wont get any better once your in. These guys are chasing their tails. At the moment there is a glut of FO's and not enough Captains. The training focus is now on upgrading FO's to command which has been on the back burner for the last year due to the mad rush of getting new recruits. The TSV refueller tells me that once the balance is restored maybe recruits will be the focus again.
There is apparently still a few dudes to go to Virgin so there is still some movement left. Also expect a massive rate of attrition around January 2010 when alot of the ancient ones depart for the retirement golf course.
There is apparently still a few dudes to go to Virgin so there is still some movement left. Also expect a massive rate of attrition around January 2010 when alot of the ancient ones depart for the retirement golf course.
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The reality is no-one was ever guarenteed a position - condition 2 on the conditional offer letter clearly said it was dependent on there being places available.
If you left your job then you took a risk that didn't pay off - that wasn't QFLink's fault.
The unfortunate thing about aviation is there are too many negative people who feels the world owes them - lets just sum up the QFL traineeship to date:
1. They established a program that allows for recruitment of pilots well below any direct entry requirements of any airline in Australia,
2. They paid for airfares & accom for applicants to travel to the recruitment (which not many airlines do - including QF),
3. They made exceptionally quick conditional offers & didn't hold people after the recruitment days for months as other airlines (including big brother) does,
4. Once in they will refund an amount of ATPLs,
5. Once in they pay for bridging courses to get you up to scratch,
6. You are remunerated far better once in then others with the same experience elsewhere,
7. QFL didn't cancel the program but instead have at least enabled to keep it going.
As someone with a conditional offer I'm happy that the program is still in one piece and can't really see where they have ever been non-transparent with us?
I'd suggest that if you can't deal with a minor set back like this in your fast tracked career then as krusty said this may not be the right industry for you.
If you left your job then you took a risk that didn't pay off - that wasn't QFLink's fault.
The unfortunate thing about aviation is there are too many negative people who feels the world owes them - lets just sum up the QFL traineeship to date:
1. They established a program that allows for recruitment of pilots well below any direct entry requirements of any airline in Australia,
2. They paid for airfares & accom for applicants to travel to the recruitment (which not many airlines do - including QF),
3. They made exceptionally quick conditional offers & didn't hold people after the recruitment days for months as other airlines (including big brother) does,
4. Once in they will refund an amount of ATPLs,
5. Once in they pay for bridging courses to get you up to scratch,
6. You are remunerated far better once in then others with the same experience elsewhere,
7. QFL didn't cancel the program but instead have at least enabled to keep it going.
As someone with a conditional offer I'm happy that the program is still in one piece and can't really see where they have ever been non-transparent with us?
I'd suggest that if you can't deal with a minor set back like this in your fast tracked career then as krusty said this may not be the right industry for you.
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"So now we have arrived at the moment of truth"
Krusty, Beware of getting life affirming philosophies from Hollywood blockbusters. Next you’ll be telling us “Life is like a box of chocolates......”
ok, so who just got this letter:
I find this interesting, new minimums specified as:
I'm just about to go back to my old job, however I have everything on there bar GPS DGA which I can get fairily quickly. I do wonder however, if its worth going through all this crap again, or if we'll just get shelved, yet again.
Thoughts?
You are advised to withdraw your current application and resubmit it once all of the
above qualifications have been met. This will assist us to better identify and evaluate
your application.
For those applicants who currently hold all the above qualifications, you are advised to
contact Nathan Jaffan, Trainee Program Co-Coordinator, on (02) 9691 7494 who will advise
you of the next stage of the application process.
above qualifications have been met. This will assist us to better identify and evaluate
your application.
For those applicants who currently hold all the above qualifications, you are advised to
contact Nathan Jaffan, Trainee Program Co-Coordinator, on (02) 9691 7494 who will advise
you of the next stage of the application process.
• Australian Commercial Pilot’s Licence (CPL),
• Australian Multi Engine Command Instrument Rating (MECIR). The navaids endorsed on
the Pilot’s Licence must be ILS, LLZ, VOR, NDB, DGA and GPS enroute certification.
• Passes in all Airline Transport Pilot Licence subjects,
• Current Class 1 Aviation Medical,
One hundred (100) hours as pilot in command at the commencement of the Trainee
Program at General Flying Services (GFS) in Melbourne, and
• Passes in Year 12 Maths and English or equivalent.
• Australian Multi Engine Command Instrument Rating (MECIR). The navaids endorsed on
the Pilot’s Licence must be ILS, LLZ, VOR, NDB, DGA and GPS enroute certification.
• Passes in all Airline Transport Pilot Licence subjects,
• Current Class 1 Aviation Medical,
One hundred (100) hours as pilot in command at the commencement of the Trainee
Program at General Flying Services (GFS) in Melbourne, and
• Passes in Year 12 Maths and English or equivalent.
Thoughts?
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Qlink goal post change
Yeh, I got the very same letter. Dont have all the ATPLs yet.
The letter is at least a month late, but I suppose better late than never.
Cannot say I am terribly bothered that I dont meet their new requirements. A company that has such little regard for its potential future employees that it leaves them hanging for so long?? Doesnt speak well for how they treat their people. Also, I suppose I am not surprised that the goal posts have been shifted in any case.
I am a little surprised that people have taken such huge risks based on a "maybe" judging by previous posts. I guess I go by the rule that until you firm committments (ie a signed job contract) in writing, everything is up in the air (no pun intended) and you should be extremely cautious about risking anything.
The letter is at least a month late, but I suppose better late than never.
Cannot say I am terribly bothered that I dont meet their new requirements. A company that has such little regard for its potential future employees that it leaves them hanging for so long?? Doesnt speak well for how they treat their people. Also, I suppose I am not surprised that the goal posts have been shifted in any case.
I am a little surprised that people have taken such huge risks based on a "maybe" judging by previous posts. I guess I go by the rule that until you firm committments (ie a signed job contract) in writing, everything is up in the air (no pun intended) and you should be extremely cautious about risking anything.
When you live....
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If you do withdraw, remember to insist on a refund of your ASIC money.....
If you do withdraw, remember to insist on a refund of your ASIC money.....
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The word on the street was it was an absolute clusterfu*k from day one.
Candidates were booked in for sim evaluation and interviews without having been through the online testing, and some candidates who were initially told they had passed online testing have now been sent the dear John letter.
Although I'm sure those affected feel frustrated and disappointed, you have been spared a career of being shat on from a great height by "managers" who couldn't find their ar*e with both hands. QL people are generally a great bunch of people who are treated like doggie do on the bottom of a sandshoe.
Best of luck with your careers to all concerned.
Candidates were booked in for sim evaluation and interviews without having been through the online testing, and some candidates who were initially told they had passed online testing have now been sent the dear John letter.
Although I'm sure those affected feel frustrated and disappointed, you have been spared a career of being shat on from a great height by "managers" who couldn't find their ar*e with both hands. QL people are generally a great bunch of people who are treated like doggie do on the bottom of a sandshoe.
Best of luck with your careers to all concerned.
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Do those that have received a letter saying that they need to reapply, once requirements have been met, have a conditional offer? or are they in various stages of the application process?
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