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Things are progressing very slowly for both traineeship and DE candidates due to, among other factors, a complete lack of training captains. I guess it's just a case of sitting tight 
. Couldn't hurt to keep sending out those CVs though!
. Couldn't hurt to keep sending out those CVs though!
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The Reason for QL slowing its traineeship?
Alot of people have put their two cents worth into if/why QL is slowing their traineeship, but does anybody have any actual facts?
This is not meant as a challenge but as a geniune request.
I'm currently in Sydney finishing off ATPL's with a conditional offer expiring 21 Aug, and now shi*$ing my pants slightly over wether or not they might delay me or cancel my conditional offer.
If some people out there have FIRST HAND info regarding what is happening with the future courses and why please let me know.
I expect that there is also a few others reading this who are in the same position as me and would also appreciate a heads up.
Cheers
This is not meant as a challenge but as a geniune request.
I'm currently in Sydney finishing off ATPL's with a conditional offer expiring 21 Aug, and now shi*$ing my pants slightly over wether or not they might delay me or cancel my conditional offer.
If some people out there have FIRST HAND info regarding what is happening with the future courses and why please let me know.
I expect that there is also a few others reading this who are in the same position as me and would also appreciate a heads up.
Cheers
Whatever the reason for the slowdown in this on again off again farce, one thing remains constant. The eternal capacity for airlines (especially QF) to keep people in the dark. Anyone remember the shameful way in which the QF hold file kept sucessfull applicants waiting (sometimes for years) only to say thanks but no thanks because some well connected son or daughter came along with more points!
Welcome to the wonderful world of QF HR.
Welcome to the wonderful world of QF HR.
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Email message from QL HR is that they will updating those with conditional acceptances shortly (next week or so).
Based on other information in the same email it would appear that the program is still going, albeit slower, and that conditional offers (my offer is pretty much identical to yours by the sound of it) are still valid (they are still asking me for copies of documentation etc).
What they haven't done is screen any new applicants (or even give answers to some they have screened recently). This would seem to imply that those 'in the system' are still in the system but I guess they could still rescreen those on file to see who they really want.
Sorry, not a definitive answer but best I can offer,
UTR.
Based on other information in the same email it would appear that the program is still going, albeit slower, and that conditional offers (my offer is pretty much identical to yours by the sound of it) are still valid (they are still asking me for copies of documentation etc).
What they haven't done is screen any new applicants (or even give answers to some they have screened recently). This would seem to imply that those 'in the system' are still in the system but I guess they could still rescreen those on file to see who they really want.
Sorry, not a definitive answer but best I can offer,
UTR.
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I have heard that several of the people who had been bumped from the July course to the August course have now been told they are on indefinite hold. Has anyone heard anything further? 
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one to go and others
The trainee program has been wound back,essentially course intake numbers have been more than halved. Also intake criteria increased some what. As I seeit management overcooked it a bit with incoming and the exodus has slowed for now . Dont lose hope,just go bush for a while or become a chemist and invent a viable kero alternative. All the best with your flying career.GG.
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Lt Dan,
Not necessarily. I know of candiates given acceptances in the last few days who have neither ATPL nor CIR. They have to get them prior to starting though - but have 12 months to do so.
UTR.
Not necessarily. I know of candiates given acceptances in the last few days who have neither ATPL nor CIR. They have to get them prior to starting though - but have 12 months to do so.
UTR.
Otherwise QFL have no respect or plain good manners anymore and should be taken to the cleaners.
Guys, for your own career's sake, don't sit around waiting on the hold file or hoping that you will eventually get a start because your course date keeps getting pushed back. These muppets can and simply will have you on the merry go around and then eventually spit you out given the chance.
Keep building the experience...don't slow down waiting for qlink...and when they call, take the gig...if they don't...aim for something higher.
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Cannot comment on whether it has been or is being cancelled.
I know a few people that got accepted in to it and many have defered start dates for the course as class sizes have been reduced.
I know a few people that got accepted in to it and many have defered start dates for the course as class sizes have been reduced.
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Slight change to web site
Not sure when it happened and may have been raised here already, but I just happened to have a look at the minimum requirements for the traineeship on their web site. The MECIR is now required as are passes in the ATPL subjects. Also a slight change to NZ applicants' requirements I think.
I hope they haven't shelved the program completely as I had an interview postponed recently. Hopefully there will be an update from them at some point in the not too distant future.
I hope they haven't shelved the program completely as I had an interview postponed recently. Hopefully there will be an update from them at some point in the not too distant future.
Take a deep breath all you Generation Y'ers out there. Might be time to look at that career in IT after all.
Isn't it ironic that the latest action, or inaction if you like, of airline management has probably hilighted one of the reasons that young people have stopped learning to fly in this country. Lets offer a fast track to a position that traditionally has taken years of blood sweat and tears to qualify for. Oops! hear comes a slowdown! (temporary, but lets not let that worry us). Now let us show our true colours and Duck, weave and generally stuff around the candidates, all because we can. After all they are not employees yet, and as such we are not bound by any sort of industrial obligation. What about moral obligation I hear you say? Yeah right, next question.
The only reason that QFLink had the response to the traineeship program (if you can call it that) is because unlike in the past, people are not prepared to risk all for a career in aviation. The traineeship offered a "shortcut" that in turn makes the meagre returns by way of Wages and Conditions justifyable in the minds of a greater number of wannabes.
Keep up the good work QFLink management. Once the dust settles and you have driven another nail in the coffin of regional aviation, you'll be lucky if you can find anyone willing to put up with the half arsed, reactive behaviour that you are so famous for!
As for all you young hopefulls out there, take note. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is!
Isn't it ironic that the latest action, or inaction if you like, of airline management has probably hilighted one of the reasons that young people have stopped learning to fly in this country. Lets offer a fast track to a position that traditionally has taken years of blood sweat and tears to qualify for. Oops! hear comes a slowdown! (temporary, but lets not let that worry us). Now let us show our true colours and Duck, weave and generally stuff around the candidates, all because we can. After all they are not employees yet, and as such we are not bound by any sort of industrial obligation. What about moral obligation I hear you say? Yeah right, next question.
The only reason that QFLink had the response to the traineeship program (if you can call it that) is because unlike in the past, people are not prepared to risk all for a career in aviation. The traineeship offered a "shortcut" that in turn makes the meagre returns by way of Wages and Conditions justifyable in the minds of a greater number of wannabes.
Keep up the good work QFLink management. Once the dust settles and you have driven another nail in the coffin of regional aviation, you'll be lucky if you can find anyone willing to put up with the half arsed, reactive behaviour that you are so famous for!
As for all you young hopefulls out there, take note. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is!
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Oh Krusty get your hand off it. Near as I can tell you work for Rex not QLink, so what would you know about the trainee program anyway.
I do work for QLink so what I can tell you is only what I have heard.
No, the trainee program is not stopping but it is being slowed down considerably.
This is due to the fact that because of the oil price 'crisis', hiring at the majors has slowed down. In addition, this means people are a bit more wary to jump off the top of one seniority list to go to the bottom of another one. These two things combined have meant the projected attrition rates, from say six months ago, are no longer valid as not as many people are leaving given the current climate. Ipso facto fewer people out the door means fewer people are needed coming in the door. For now anyway. What should they do just keep hiring new FOs forever, even though they aren't needed?
The trainee program has trained well over 50 new FOs for QL in the last few months. That is 50 folks that got a hell of an opportunity they wouldn't have gotten a few years back. And by all accounts the training captains working with newbies are very happy with the standard being turned out by the program. So there is no plan to shut it down at all.
But like so many things in life it is all about timing. So Krusty if you can look into your crystal ball and give us all a specific date when hiring will pick up again across the industry I am sure everyone is all ears.
Oh and to you all you generation x, y, z, l, m, n, o p-ers and baby boomers out there, if you think the world owes you a job just because you applied for one I am afraid to say that just isn't how the world works. Not in any industry.
SF
And before you all go slagging me off. No I am not QL management, I am but a humble line pilot with some common sense and a dose of reality.
I do work for QLink so what I can tell you is only what I have heard.
No, the trainee program is not stopping but it is being slowed down considerably.
This is due to the fact that because of the oil price 'crisis', hiring at the majors has slowed down. In addition, this means people are a bit more wary to jump off the top of one seniority list to go to the bottom of another one. These two things combined have meant the projected attrition rates, from say six months ago, are no longer valid as not as many people are leaving given the current climate. Ipso facto fewer people out the door means fewer people are needed coming in the door. For now anyway. What should they do just keep hiring new FOs forever, even though they aren't needed?
The trainee program has trained well over 50 new FOs for QL in the last few months. That is 50 folks that got a hell of an opportunity they wouldn't have gotten a few years back. And by all accounts the training captains working with newbies are very happy with the standard being turned out by the program. So there is no plan to shut it down at all.
But like so many things in life it is all about timing. So Krusty if you can look into your crystal ball and give us all a specific date when hiring will pick up again across the industry I am sure everyone is all ears.
Oh and to you all you generation x, y, z, l, m, n, o p-ers and baby boomers out there, if you think the world owes you a job just because you applied for one I am afraid to say that just isn't how the world works. Not in any industry.
SF
And before you all go slagging me off. No I am not QL management, I am but a humble line pilot with some common sense and a dose of reality.