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It says pretty clearly in the Important Information section of the QantasLink Pilot Trainee section of the bfound website that "A full breakdown of remuneration and benefits for employees of Sunstate Airlines is detailed in the Sunstate Airlines (Qld) Pty Limited Pilots Enterprise Agreement (as current)." and also "A full breakdown of remuneration and benefits for employees of Eastern Australia Airlines is detailed in the Eastern Australia Airlines Pty Limited Pilots Enterprise Agreement (as current)."
I'm pretty sure that equates to about $51000 base for a 1st year FO on the 100/200/300 for sunnies at least (found a copy online earlier today but can't seem to find the link now).
If anyone finds out what the bonding conditions might be though I'd love to hear it
I'm pretty sure that equates to about $51000 base for a 1st year FO on the 100/200/300 for sunnies at least (found a copy online earlier today but can't seem to find the link now).
If anyone finds out what the bonding conditions might be though I'd love to hear it
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just a bit worried if management will take advantage of these new pilots
A few years ago, five years was peanuts - these days, a little longer considering you could be in another airline within two to three depending on how hard you work in GA. For a brand new starter however, I think it's a fantastic opportunity. Not that I agree with it, but for a first job with everything paid for, it's definitely worth a shot.
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B767 sim check?
"Stage Three: One day of assessment, comprising of a Simulator Flight Assessment (B767 or similar),"
what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.
They obviously don't expect you to know 767 systems/performance, so what could be assessed here? Hand/eye co-ords, initial reactions, engine failures?
what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.
They obviously don't expect you to know 767 systems/performance, so what could be assessed here? Hand/eye co-ords, initial reactions, engine failures?
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Based on the fact that some (most???) applicants won't hold a CIR, I would expect the sim ride will just focus on basic instrument flying. Takeoff, landing, turns in the climb, descent and level flight etc.
Certainly would not expect there to be any abnormal procedures.
Certainly would not expect there to be any abnormal procedures.
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what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.
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Level D
If you can get your hands on the levelD 767 add on for FS that will do nicely. (IMHO) Flying the 767 under normal conds is not too difficult even of you dont have ME time. Just get used to the glass HSI display and it should be fine. It 'd be amusing if they let you set the speed hold and alt settings on the AP, then you could do your circut by twiddling the knobs 
Stick the ILS on Nav1 and capture heheh that would be funny.
Just realised your link is to the Level D add on.
Stick the ILS on Nav1 and capture heheh that would be funny.Just realised your link is to the Level D add on.
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So is this a good thing or not? It looks tempting. Surely for fresh cpls it would be ok. But what about someone with around 1000hrs, who meets all the FO requirements except Multi. Any good?
I sent QFLink a email for all the cons on this, no reply.
Surely they must have some massive bond, return of service or decreased pay etc, else they would just lower their mins for the normal FO position. Anybody have any info that’s not off the QFLink bfound website?
I sent QFLink a email for all the cons on this, no reply.
Surely they must have some massive bond, return of service or decreased pay etc, else they would just lower their mins for the normal FO position. Anybody have any info that’s not off the QFLink bfound website?
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From: NSW
thumbs up
I'd say on balance this trainee program is a good thing. It show that the management there realises that they have to do something more than justa cadet program. For new CPLs, this would have to be the preferred (initial) career path by far. It is positive for QL cause they will take the larger part of the newbies for themselves. It can't be too good for GA operators in the back of beyond though. Nor is it so great for the flying schools that relied on new CPLs wanting an instructor rating cause that was their best option to build initial hours.
If QL tailor their training to take into account the low-time applicants, then should be ok for the regional travelling public too.. me hopes!
I think REX have taken a step in the right direction but in comparison, they need to pull finger out ASAP.
Bort.
If QL tailor their training to take into account the low-time applicants, then should be ok for the regional travelling public too.. me hopes!
I think REX have taken a step in the right direction but in comparison, they need to pull finger out ASAP.
Bort.
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From: Australia
mmmmm
On the surface this seems like a good thing. For someone like me who has a wee bit of an education and a fair few flying hours it seems an ideal path. I'd be interested of course in what kind of commitment they are looking for, T's and C's etc, not that good from what you read on here. The practice of taking lower time guys (200 - 500hr) with some smarts has been done in Europe for a while now. With decent line training etc they've been finding their way into the right seats of 320's and 73's . I think the days of 1000hr experience minimums are numbered (they have been in GA for a while now), it won't be long before other airlines here start to emulate the European system.
Good or a bad thing? Don't know but according to the below post, its all coming crashing down in anycase.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=311975
BP.
Good or a bad thing? Don't know but according to the below post, its all coming crashing down in anycase.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=311975
BP.
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From: NSW
Not sure if its true or not, but the starting salary in first year is apparently only 10000-20000. This is prob due to the fact they have to pay for your TR, MIR and 200h twin commnad.
Anyone in the know, please verify.
Anyone in the know, please verify.
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Got a nice little email on Friday 
"As part of our process QantasLink requires all candidates to undergo psychometric testing through our suppliers SHL. These tests are to be completed on-line and via personal access by COB Wednesday 13 February 2008."
(Completed that this afternoon)
Also in the email;
"Following the successful completion of the psychometric test, (fingers crossed) the next stage in the process is an interview and sim checks. It is envisaged that this will occur during the week commencing Monday 18 February 2008."
Anyone else get this email and done the psychometric test? I'd be interested to see how others found it?
"As part of our process QantasLink requires all candidates to undergo psychometric testing through our suppliers SHL. These tests are to be completed on-line and via personal access by COB Wednesday 13 February 2008."
(Completed that this afternoon)
Also in the email;
"Following the successful completion of the psychometric test, (fingers crossed) the next stage in the process is an interview and sim checks. It is envisaged that this will occur during the week commencing Monday 18 February 2008."
Anyone else get this email and done the psychometric test? I'd be interested to see how others found it?