ASIC Renewal
Islander Jock,
You seem to be taking on the defence of the ASIC, so perhaps you could answer my question, re - What exactly does the ASIC achieve ?
I can understand your position as an airport operater and it being difficult to do anything about being lumped with the ASIC - considering most pilots meekly did as they were told.
You seem to be taking on the defence of the ASIC, so perhaps you could answer my question, re - What exactly does the ASIC achieve ?
I can understand your position as an airport operater and it being difficult to do anything about being lumped with the ASIC - considering most pilots meekly did as they were told.
I don't want to be the best pilot in the world - Just the oldest
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Flying Binghi,
I don't think I am taking on defence of the ASIC requirement in principle rather just trying to quash some of the misconceptions around the issuing process. Unfortunately there are a few steps in the system which would allow each organisation to point the finger elsewhere to lay blame for the inordinate delays.
Sure the system is flawed as are several other elements of the Aust Transport Security Regs and many of those have been discussed previously. But in light of the current security climate I believe there would be little likelihood of any government loosening the requirements. What we should be striving for are perhaps things like increasing ASIC validity from 2 to 5 years and lowering the cost.
Lasiorhinus,
Yes mate in a perfect world the government should be afraid of the people who elect it to power. In this situation though, perhaps a greater number of those people demand to see that the govt is taking appropriate security measures for their protection. Despite the fact that those of us at the coal face see that many of those measures ineffective, unnecessary or just plain stupid.
PyroTek,
over two and a half months from date of submission to actual receipt
The quickest organisation should be AviationID Australia as they are one of the few that are an issuing authority and have their own printing equipment. Many of the other organisations that have the equipment will print cards on behalf of other authorities but only process applications for people directly employed with them. Hence the reason CASA was lumbered with processing pilot ASICs. Whether CASA invested the small fortune required for the printer, I'm not sure.
There is perhaps another alternative to issuing ASICs on the horizon. How much the cost will be per card is unknown at this stage but they are determined to get the things out quickly and with AUSCHECK having better turnaround times for security clearances it might be more attractive to the pilot fraternity. But yes you WILL still have to submit the same identification paperwork with each application. That is the Department of Infrastructure's (formerly DOTARS) ruling and not the issuing bodies.
I don't think I am taking on defence of the ASIC requirement in principle rather just trying to quash some of the misconceptions around the issuing process. Unfortunately there are a few steps in the system which would allow each organisation to point the finger elsewhere to lay blame for the inordinate delays.
Sure the system is flawed as are several other elements of the Aust Transport Security Regs and many of those have been discussed previously. But in light of the current security climate I believe there would be little likelihood of any government loosening the requirements. What we should be striving for are perhaps things like increasing ASIC validity from 2 to 5 years and lowering the cost.
Lasiorhinus,
Yes mate in a perfect world the government should be afraid of the people who elect it to power. In this situation though, perhaps a greater number of those people demand to see that the govt is taking appropriate security measures for their protection. Despite the fact that those of us at the coal face see that many of those measures ineffective, unnecessary or just plain stupid.
PyroTek,
over two and a half months from date of submission to actual receipt
The quickest organisation should be AviationID Australia as they are one of the few that are an issuing authority and have their own printing equipment. Many of the other organisations that have the equipment will print cards on behalf of other authorities but only process applications for people directly employed with them. Hence the reason CASA was lumbered with processing pilot ASICs. Whether CASA invested the small fortune required for the printer, I'm not sure.
There is perhaps another alternative to issuing ASICs on the horizon. How much the cost will be per card is unknown at this stage but they are determined to get the things out quickly and with AUSCHECK having better turnaround times for security clearances it might be more attractive to the pilot fraternity. But yes you WILL still have to submit the same identification paperwork with each application. That is the Department of Infrastructure's (formerly DOTARS) ruling and not the issuing bodies.
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Why are you paying for your ASIC???
All this complaining about how long it takes for your cards to arrive.
I would have thought the real issue is, why are pilots paying for their own cards?
You guys are crazy!
Baggage handlers and airport staff aren't paying for their cards.
What has the AFAP been doing in the past decade, not a hell on a lot by the looks of the award pay scales!
I would have thought the real issue is, why are pilots paying for their own cards?
You guys are crazy!
Baggage handlers and airport staff aren't paying for their cards.
What has the AFAP been doing in the past decade, not a hell on a lot by the looks of the award pay scales!
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burna,
Some contract airline staff are also paying for their ASIC's.
Bugger paying for the ASIC... $182 every 2 years is cheap... paying 30+k for an endorsement is crazy! Besides that if the company pays (and they don't happen to be an issuing authority themselves.. ie airlines) then they can ask you give back what is essentially 'their' ASIC when you cease employment there... meaning that at the next operator you are effectively grounded for 4 weeks whilst the new one is done! At the major airports they tend to put the company name at the bottom of the ASIC, so I doubt company ABC would let you run around with an ASIC with their name on it when you are now working for company XYZ!
If the company IS an issuing authority then they MUST get the ASIC back when you finish, as according to them you no longer require the card for 'valid work related purposes' and the issuing authority is responsible for all cards it issues.
Incidentally, and back to the original gist of the thread... got mine last week only took around 2 weeks from posting off... that was using AVID.
Some contract airline staff are also paying for their ASIC's.
Bugger paying for the ASIC... $182 every 2 years is cheap... paying 30+k for an endorsement is crazy! Besides that if the company pays (and they don't happen to be an issuing authority themselves.. ie airlines) then they can ask you give back what is essentially 'their' ASIC when you cease employment there... meaning that at the next operator you are effectively grounded for 4 weeks whilst the new one is done! At the major airports they tend to put the company name at the bottom of the ASIC, so I doubt company ABC would let you run around with an ASIC with their name on it when you are now working for company XYZ!
If the company IS an issuing authority then they MUST get the ASIC back when you finish, as according to them you no longer require the card for 'valid work related purposes' and the issuing authority is responsible for all cards it issues.Incidentally, and back to the original gist of the thread... got mine last week only took around 2 weeks from posting off... that was using AVID.
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Whats your reasoning for wanting to extend the ASIC validity from 2 to 5 years ?
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I think the costs associated with renewing the ASIC is absurd.
My 10 year Passport cost me around $200.00
My 5 year Drivers Licence costs around $115.00
Yet my 2 year ASIC costs $182.00
I've got some friends out in the bush that only bring their aircraft into the airport about 2-3 times a year, and they have to foot this nonsense as well.
My 10 year Passport cost me around $200.00
My 5 year Drivers Licence costs around $115.00
Yet my 2 year ASIC costs $182.00
I've got some friends out in the bush that only bring their aircraft into the airport about 2-3 times a year, and they have to foot this nonsense as well.
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But for that $182 you also get a few Govt background checks thrown in! When was the last time the Feds peeked under your covers before handing over your DL?? 
My 10 year Passport cost me around $200.00
My 5 year Drivers Licence costs around $115.00
Yet my 2 year ASIC costs $182.00
My 5 year Drivers Licence costs around $115.00
Yet my 2 year ASIC costs $182.00
One question on the form had me a little confused, though.
Why do you require an ASIC?
"As a PPL holder I need to access security controlled airports".
Worked for me.....
Why do you require an ASIC?
"As a PPL holder I need to access security controlled airports".
Worked for me.....
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I suppose they hand out passports to anyone do they...... without the security check???????????????
When they first bought out the ASIC cards, wasn't a renewal only going to cost around the $92.00 mark?? or have we been juped again.
I suppose they hand out passports to anyone do they...... without the security check???????????????
When they first bought out the ASIC cards, wasn't a renewal only going to cost around the $92.00 mark?? or have we been juped again.
This may have been covered before, but:
Did mine the other day - confused by the discrepancy about who can certify your documents and photos (ASA website lists about a squillion different people, ID renewal form says only JP or Airport manager), so I rang the Airservices help line.
Helpful girl says:
"Yes, you can use the one with the long list, you know, where it just about goes down to your dog".
Good to see a sense of humour, made the process a little less nauseating.
Did mine the other day - confused by the discrepancy about who can certify your documents and photos (ASA website lists about a squillion different people, ID renewal form says only JP or Airport manager), so I rang the Airservices help line.
Helpful girl says:
"Yes, you can use the one with the long list, you know, where it just about goes down to your dog".
Good to see a sense of humour, made the process a little less nauseating.
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Before I renewed mine, both myself and a friend rang our AVID and CASA respectively for clarification of who can sign the docs.
CASA ASIC docs can be signed off by almost anyone still alive... AVID apparently has a much smaller list due to restrictions imposed by DOTARS (or whatever they are called this week).
Not a bad little discrepancy when you figure that AVID is processing them all now anyways??
What's that you say, CASA still issues some... yeah maybe CASA staff, but the address on the public renewal docs that you send away to is in Merimbula... CASA not there last time I checked... but AVID is!
Any probs with who can sign off on AVID docs, ring Greg @ AVID in MIM, 1800 306 739 if your airport manager is on the list they can certify the stuff for the ASIC paperwork
CASA ASIC docs can be signed off by almost anyone still alive... AVID apparently has a much smaller list due to restrictions imposed by DOTARS (or whatever they are called this week).
Not a bad little discrepancy when you figure that AVID is processing them all now anyways??
What's that you say, CASA still issues some... yeah maybe CASA staff, but the address on the public renewal docs that you send away to is in Merimbula... CASA not there last time I checked... but AVID is!
Any probs with who can sign off on AVID docs, ring Greg @ AVID in MIM, 1800 306 739 if your airport manager is on the list they can certify the stuff for the ASIC paperwork