ASIC Renewal
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Lasiorhinus,
The total cost of the card is not only for Auscheck clearance but also for the printing of the card and the time and effort taken in processing the application by the issuing body. The high cost of printing the card can be directly attributed to the fact that the printing equipment costs in the vicinity of $40K.
You are correct about the clearance payment. It has to be paid whether a clearance is granted or not. Sort of like a dealing with a bookie at the racetrack.
Stats for clearances being declined for ASICs are relatively low.... compared to those applying for MSICs.
The total cost of the card is not only for Auscheck clearance but also for the printing of the card and the time and effort taken in processing the application by the issuing body. The high cost of printing the card can be directly attributed to the fact that the printing equipment costs in the vicinity of $40K.
You are correct about the clearance payment. It has to be paid whether a clearance is granted or not. Sort of like a dealing with a bookie at the racetrack.
Stats for clearances being declined for ASICs are relatively low.... compared to those applying for MSICs.
Islander Jock,
I am starting to warm to this ASIC idea. I couldnt think of a better advertisement to show up some of the dim-witted so called anti terrorism ideas introduced during the Howard years.
I am yet to find anybody out side of this forum who thinks the ASIC system will have any effect apart from making our security agencies look silly.
All an ASIC does is make the wearers family a target.
I am starting to warm to this ASIC idea. I couldnt think of a better advertisement to show up some of the dim-witted so called anti terrorism ideas introduced during the Howard years.
I am yet to find anybody out side of this forum who thinks the ASIC system will have any effect apart from making our security agencies look silly.
All an ASIC does is make the wearers family a target.
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I am yet to find anybody out side of this forum who thinks the ASIC system will have any effect apart from making our security agencies look silly.
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I hold a valid ASIC! Submitted the paperwork, paid my money - and my ASIC was issued.
I have been thoroughly investigated (one would hope - given that this is what ASICs are all about) and shown to have no obvious terrorist tendancies or affiliations with OzHarma and his mates.
SO WHY THE F*CK DO I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT SECURITY CRAP TO GET ON AN AEROPLANE?
All I should have to do is flash my ASIC and get waved through.
The above is a little tongue-in-cheek, but you really gotta laugh when you see a Capt, in uniform, ASIC displayed - being swabbed for explosives!
It must drive the crews crazy going through all this crap, all the time!
Dr
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I have been thoroughly investigated (one would hope - given that this is what ASICs are all about) and shown to have no obvious terrorist tendancies or affiliations with OzHarma and his mates.
SO WHY THE F*CK DO I HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT SECURITY CRAP TO GET ON AN AEROPLANE?
All I should have to do is flash my ASIC and get waved through.
The above is a little tongue-in-cheek, but you really gotta laugh when you see a Capt, in uniform, ASIC displayed - being swabbed for explosives!
It must drive the crews crazy going through all this crap, all the time!
Dr
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but you really gotta laugh when you see a Capt, in uniform, ASIC displayed - being swabbed for explosives!
That is just one of the more dumber aspects of this security regime that should be looked at and reviewed. Only put into place to give the rest of the travelling public a warm and fuzzy.
As for an ASIC being a board-without-screening pass. I don't necessarily agree with that idea especially when people with far better credentials than just holding an ASIC are subject to the same rules.
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Who put the inmates in charge of the funny farm!
I had my laser pointer (the little red dot kind - used in presentations) confiscated at the security checkpoint the other day. They spotted it in my briefcase on X-ray.
"OK Trolly Dolly, tell the Capt to fly me to ..... Ah......Oh what the heck, New Zealand, or I will highlight some of your most/least (cross out whichever doesn't apply) features to the pax - with my laser pointer!"
Dr
"OK Trolly Dolly, tell the Capt to fly me to ..... Ah......Oh what the heck, New Zealand, or I will highlight some of your most/least (cross out whichever doesn't apply) features to the pax - with my laser pointer!"
Dr
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Since when has your laser pointer been a Confiscatable item in your carry on luggage?
I am not sure thats allowed! Should get em to send it back and with an apology.
Is there a list of what is good to go or what is NOT?
J
I am not sure thats allowed! Should get em to send it back and with an apology.
Is there a list of what is good to go or what is NOT?
J
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Jaba,
Definitely not listed in the regs as one of the prohibited items. That's not to say however that after the events of the last week in Sydney and subsequent emergency meetings with CASA, Dept of Infrastructure and state and federal police that immediate direction to screening authorities to ban the items has been given.
On the other hand, could be just another over zealous security screener who took it upon himself or herself to do their bit for aviation security after seeing the news on TV.
Definitely not listed in the regs as one of the prohibited items. That's not to say however that after the events of the last week in Sydney and subsequent emergency meetings with CASA, Dept of Infrastructure and state and federal police that immediate direction to screening authorities to ban the items has been given.
On the other hand, could be just another over zealous security screener who took it upon himself or herself to do their bit for aviation security after seeing the news on TV.
Clock's ticking
Mine is in with Aviation ID Australia. Posted overnight on Fri so should've been there yesterday.
Anyone had a renewal from Aviation ID Aust in a 21 days turnaround?
Mine is in with Aviation ID Australia. Posted overnight on Fri so should've been there yesterday.
Anyone had a renewal from Aviation ID Aust in a 21 days turnaround?
Well done Avn ID Australia but crikey, is it really worth it?
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I hope that it is that quick....
I got a call from the CASA ASIC renewal team about a week ago and it went like this:
CASA: Hello we have just noticed that your ASIC is due to expire in a few weeks and we have not recieved your renewal form
Me: Oh I didn't realise it was going to expire, where did you send the renewal form?
CASA: We sent it to XXX
Me: Oh okay i have not lived there for over two years and have updated my mailing address with CASA twice since then. Why would you send it there?
CASA: Oh i don't know, sometimes we don't get updated details from CASA in Canberra. I can send you a renewal form if you like.
Me: Thanks, by the time i recieve it, fill it out, get a photo and send it back, and then you issue me a new one the old one will have well and truly expired.
CASA: Oh sorry about that, have a nice day.
F**kwits.
povopilot
P.s I know that it has DEC08 written in massive writing on the actual card but seeing as it lives in my headset bag all the time i did not realise it was expiring.
I got a call from the CASA ASIC renewal team about a week ago and it went like this:
CASA: Hello we have just noticed that your ASIC is due to expire in a few weeks and we have not recieved your renewal form
Me: Oh I didn't realise it was going to expire, where did you send the renewal form?
CASA: We sent it to XXX
Me: Oh okay i have not lived there for over two years and have updated my mailing address with CASA twice since then. Why would you send it there?
CASA: Oh i don't know, sometimes we don't get updated details from CASA in Canberra. I can send you a renewal form if you like.
Me: Thanks, by the time i recieve it, fill it out, get a photo and send it back, and then you issue me a new one the old one will have well and truly expired.
CASA: Oh sorry about that, have a nice day.
F**kwits.
povopilot
P.s I know that it has DEC08 written in massive writing on the actual card but seeing as it lives in my headset bag all the time i did not realise it was expiring.
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Lemme deconstruct Plankbenders post.
Posted on 26-Nov, delivery signed-for on 1-Dec, so that's 2 and bit working days and a weekend to get to the processing centre.
Card arrives on 9-Dec, therefore was posted 8-Dec or possibly 5-Dec. (allright, it might have been posted 7-Dec if they have sunday pickup)
Therefore it took between 5 and 8 days (assuming ASIO and AFP work weekends) to do all the checking, print the card and get it ready for despatch.
Apart from reviewing electronic records, just much usefull checking can any organisation do in that amount of time ?
Bah.., humbug.., the ASIC is still a piece of political crud which does nothing to actually 'improve' GA security in any realistic sense.
Posted on 26-Nov, delivery signed-for on 1-Dec, so that's 2 and bit working days and a weekend to get to the processing centre.
Card arrives on 9-Dec, therefore was posted 8-Dec or possibly 5-Dec. (allright, it might have been posted 7-Dec if they have sunday pickup)
Therefore it took between 5 and 8 days (assuming ASIO and AFP work weekends) to do all the checking, print the card and get it ready for despatch.
Apart from reviewing electronic records, just much usefull checking can any organisation do in that amount of time ?
Bah.., humbug.., the ASIC is still a piece of political crud which does nothing to actually 'improve' GA security in any realistic sense.
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Does anyone know what the turn around time for a ASIC renewal is at the moment ?
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I just printed out my ASIC application form, checked it and then pressed the "submit" button to be greeted by this message - does anyone know why this happens and whether it has gone through to Aviation ID Aus ? Don't want to end up paying them twice.
Server Error in '/Application' Application. Validation of viewstate MAC failed. If this application is hosted by a Web Farm or cluster, ensure that <machineKey> configuration specifies the same validationKey and validation algorithm. AutoGenerate cannot be used in a cluster.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.Web.HttpException: Validation of viewstate MAC failed. If this application is hosted by a Web Farm or cluster, ensure that <machineKey> configuration specifies the same validationKey and validation algorithm. AutoGenerate cannot be used in a cluster.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.Web.HttpException: Validation of viewstate MAC failed. If this application is hosted by a Web Farm or cluster, ensure that <machineKey> configuration specifies the same validationKey and validation algorithm. AutoGenerate cannot be used in a cluster.
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Kinda hard to believe that it is 2 years since I started this thread!
But here we go again.
Posted the paperwork to renew my ASIC to Aviation ID Australia on Tuesday (5 January), 2 years to the day since the last time.
This still has to be the dumbest system around.
Sent new certified passport size photos - I haven't changed much!
Sent a certified copy of my new fancy passport - obtained with a lot less fuss and bother than this drivel.
Sent a new certified copy of the same driver's licence that I sent a certified copy of last time.
Sent a copy of the latest rendition (including crappy photo ID) of the same pilot's licence that I have held for the last 37 years.
Gave the same address that I have lived at for the last 24 years.
Given that I have not engaged in any terrorist activities since last time, I expect minimal delay with the renewal.
Will post when the new one arrives.
Dr
But here we go again.
Posted the paperwork to renew my ASIC to Aviation ID Australia on Tuesday (5 January), 2 years to the day since the last time.
This still has to be the dumbest system around.
Sent new certified passport size photos - I haven't changed much!
Sent a certified copy of my new fancy passport - obtained with a lot less fuss and bother than this drivel.
Sent a new certified copy of the same driver's licence that I sent a certified copy of last time.
Sent a copy of the latest rendition (including crappy photo ID) of the same pilot's licence that I have held for the last 37 years.
Gave the same address that I have lived at for the last 24 years.
Given that I have not engaged in any terrorist activities since last time, I expect minimal delay with the renewal.
Will post when the new one arrives.
Dr
I have my first renewal coming up with my current ASIC expiring March.
Can anyone suggest what an appropriate time to start the renewal process via Aviation ID Australia is?
Obviously dont want to be with an expired ASIC waiting for the renewal to come, but I also dont want them to jip me a month if I did the right thing and sent the renewal in 4 weeks or so early.
Can anyone suggest what an appropriate time to start the renewal process via Aviation ID Australia is?
Obviously dont want to be with an expired ASIC waiting for the renewal to come, but I also dont want them to jip me a month if I did the right thing and sent the renewal in 4 weeks or so early.