ASIC Renewal
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"I sent my application to CASA. On Jan 7th ....."
Sorry Galdian - I misread your post!
5/6 weeks it is!
Dr
Sorry Galdian - I misread your post!
5/6 weeks it is!
Dr
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Grandpa Aerotart
Actually it's Bin Lower's long estranged cousin Jaba Bin Knuckledragger...known to his friends and family as Knuck but to the international spy (I refuse to use 'Intelligence' in this context) agencies as 'Ledragger' for his perchant for wearing dresses.
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I just recieved in the mail my ASIC application from Aviation ID with a note saying they need a "certified copy of your pilots licence" over 2 weeks after i sent my renewal application. I admit I overlooked it while filling in the application however I have a few points.
1. A quick phone call would have saved significant time, in which i could have sent/faxed a copy of the licence. This would also eliminate the chance that my application and "certified copies" could get lost.
2. It is a renewal. I assume they checked that I had a licence last time I got an ASIC(my ASIC does have my ARN printed on it)
3. My ARN was on the form. If CASA has empowered Aviation ID I would have thought they'd have access to some basic information.
My current ASIC expires at the end of February. I thought 6 weeks would have been enough to charge my credit card, do the "security checks" and print out a peice of red plastic. Here I am with 4 weeks til it expires and I am still no closer.
When is this circus going to leave town?
1. A quick phone call would have saved significant time, in which i could have sent/faxed a copy of the licence. This would also eliminate the chance that my application and "certified copies" could get lost.
2. It is a renewal. I assume they checked that I had a licence last time I got an ASIC(my ASIC does have my ARN printed on it)
3. My ARN was on the form. If CASA has empowered Aviation ID I would have thought they'd have access to some basic information.
My current ASIC expires at the end of February. I thought 6 weeks would have been enough to charge my credit card, do the "security checks" and print out a peice of red plastic. Here I am with 4 weeks til it expires and I am still no closer.
When is this circus going to leave town?
I'm starting to get a smidgeon worried. I may have left my run too late. My ASIC has an expiry of JAN08, so I was was GOING TO put in the renewal application before Christmas, but with the Christmas rush it got put off until The end of the first week of January- circa the 7th or 8th. Am I dreaming to get it back before it expires!!? 
Whats the go with wearing an expired ASIC with your application being processed if I get security checked!?
Whats the go with wearing an expired ASIC with your application being processed if I get security checked!?
Seems a strange request, really, Wingsfalloff. Who's to say you even HAVE a pilots licence? There are many people who need ASICs who dont have pilots licences - ground crew etc - even that bloke who got an ASIC for his dog..
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Chad
5/6 weeks seems to be the go if all goes well. I posted my paperwork on Jan 5 - have yet to hear or see anything. They took my money on Jan 16 (if I recall).
I did send the certified copy of my pilot's licence - that I previously paid good money to have my pic put on.
I suspect having an expired ASIC is better than no ASIC at all. If you get sprung, play dumb!
Dr
5/6 weeks seems to be the go if all goes well. I posted my paperwork on Jan 5 - have yet to hear or see anything. They took my money on Jan 16 (if I recall).
I did send the certified copy of my pilot's licence - that I previously paid good money to have my pic put on.
I suspect having an expired ASIC is better than no ASIC at all. If you get sprung, play dumb!
Dr
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My ASIC expires end of JAN (3days). Posted paperwork to CASA on 5th Dec,Aviation ID took payment from my credit card on 11th dec and still no card. Aviation ID advised it won't be delivered on time and were quite rude on the phone. My game plan is to just keep wearing the old one. Never had it checked before... Anyone else been caught short?
Grandpa Aerotart
Just keep wearing your old ones until the new one arrives...if pinged simply point out that you applied for renewal x mths ago and it hasn't arrived yet even though money was deducted from CC on y date.
They will not dare to make a huge issue and if by some stroke of luck you strike one who does just sit back, relax and let them wind themselves into a ball of stress...them actually delaying your flight would be an extra bonus...double bonus points if they delay you long enough to make it impossible to complete your rostered duty within legal FTLs.
When it gets to the part where your ability/right to earn a living has been restricted by their incompetence you watch them back down.
They will not dare to make a huge issue and if by some stroke of luck you strike one who does just sit back, relax and let them wind themselves into a ball of stress...them actually delaying your flight would be an extra bonus...double bonus points if they delay you long enough to make it impossible to complete your rostered duty within legal FTLs.
When it gets to the part where your ability/right to earn a living has been restricted by their incompetence you watch them back down.
The problem is, the "their" you refer to is incompetence on the part of your ASIC issuing body - and DOTARS for requiring a phenomenally useless waste of effort - but the "them" who you expect to back down will be the security grunt at the airport - to whom the world is very black and white, and very very simple.
If you are caught Airside with an expired ASIC then you will be escorted back to landside. If you make a fuss, you will probably instigate a paperwork trail that will get you fined. If DoTRS catch you, you will get fined anyway. The security guys (and some are goons I admit) are just doing their job. They are there to see that people are doing the right thing. If you knowingly display an expired ASIC you are not doing the right thing and deserve the consequences.
It is a condition of issue that expired ASIC's are returned to the issuing authority (see section 8 of the CASA Info sheet for Form 639), as in my companies case, the ASIC's are their property. If you have an ASIC, you have agreed to be bound by all this.
I know the system sucks, but we all have to live with it. I just got my renewed ASIC today (with 2 days to go - application, in full AGAIN, put in on 14th December). If it hadn't arrived, I couldn't have done my job. My company issues my ASIC. They are only following the stupid rules as well. There I am standing before them wearing a valid ASIC (that they issued), and I have to provide them with proof of ID (Passport/Birth certificate/Driver's Licence etc - all of which I produced 2 years ago to get my current ASIC) to receive my new one. When queried as to why wasn't my current ASIC good enough ID to use as it was sufficient to ID me Airside, they said that they don't make the rules.
That's the problem. The people who make the rules, not the ones who administer them.
It is a condition of issue that expired ASIC's are returned to the issuing authority (see section 8 of the CASA Info sheet for Form 639), as in my companies case, the ASIC's are their property. If you have an ASIC, you have agreed to be bound by all this.
I know the system sucks, but we all have to live with it. I just got my renewed ASIC today (with 2 days to go - application, in full AGAIN, put in on 14th December). If it hadn't arrived, I couldn't have done my job. My company issues my ASIC. They are only following the stupid rules as well. There I am standing before them wearing a valid ASIC (that they issued), and I have to provide them with proof of ID (Passport/Birth certificate/Driver's Licence etc - all of which I produced 2 years ago to get my current ASIC) to receive my new one. When queried as to why wasn't my current ASIC good enough ID to use as it was sufficient to ID me Airside, they said that they don't make the rules.
That's the problem. The people who make the rules, not the ones who administer them.
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they said that they don't make the rules.
Remember that the Government has to be seen to be dealing with the problem of airport security and like governments and bureaucracies everywhere, the solution to a problem is generally to make it difficult for those people whose work in the aviation industry.
Not to mention 'though, gaining yet another way of raising revenue!!
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24 days = 3.4 weeks = 0.8 months = 0.07 years
My ASIC arrived registered mail today (Jan 28) with the postie.
Paperwork posted to Aviation ID Australia on Jan 5.
Dr
My ASIC arrived registered mail today (Jan 28) with the postie.
Paperwork posted to Aviation ID Australia on Jan 5.
Dr