What is it actually that you don't lie about the EBA?
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Pity City,
Your theory of giving up pay if it is a negative profit year would not work. Can't see the board returning 66% of their money.
I heard that SQ is giving their staff an equivalent of 4 months salary as a bonus this year, and that is done across the board, so the only anomaly is you get more or less relative to your pay scale.
This is additional to any award negotiations they may run.
The only incentive our employer gives is "Your lucky to have a job"
With SIA advertising for more staff it could be the right time???
Your theory of giving up pay if it is a negative profit year would not work. Can't see the board returning 66% of their money.
I heard that SQ is giving their staff an equivalent of 4 months salary as a bonus this year, and that is done across the board, so the only anomaly is you get more or less relative to your pay scale.
This is additional to any award negotiations they may run.
The only incentive our employer gives is "Your lucky to have a job"
With SIA advertising for more staff it could be the right time???
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[/QUOTE] The tail payments was a request by heavy maintenance to allow for the future of heavy maintenance and probably your job.][/QUOTE]
We also wanted the EBA group to see if the QF could increase the size of the DILDO they are using to screw us with in H/m. This is about as believable as the above quote. CLARKE is not the rep for h/m lames.
You don't have a clue how much the current managment are setting back production in MEL h/m with their idiotic plans so as to be seen as earning their kpi money, it's bordering on criminal.
When it goes tits up though these morons will be gone and will get the blame if there's still a job.
? will EBA 8 have a lowering of tail payments for INTERNATIONAL line because i'm sure the H/M &DOM line lames would love to help save international line jobs if this EBA 7 gets up.
Yep its all going to plan / no division here
[/QUOTE] The tail payments was a request by heavy maintenance to allow for the future of heavy maintenance and probably your job.][/QUOTE]
We also wanted the EBA group to see if the QF could increase the size of the DILDO they are using to screw us with in H/m. This is about as believable as the above quote. CLARKE is not the rep for h/m lames.
You don't have a clue how much the current managment are setting back production in MEL h/m with their idiotic plans so as to be seen as earning their kpi money, it's bordering on criminal.
When it goes tits up though these morons will be gone and will get the blame if there's still a job.
? will EBA 8 have a lowering of tail payments for INTERNATIONAL line because i'm sure the H/M &DOM line lames would love to help save international line jobs if this EBA 7 gets up.
Yep its all going to plan / no division here
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Annulus filler, I don'y particularly care what it costs Qantas or any other employer.
When teachers,policemen,politicians,firemen,nurses and every other Tom,Dick and Harry have been getting 4-6% over the last few years and I'm copping a wage freeze or 3%, then I'm going backwards!!!
When teachers,policemen,politicians,firemen,nurses and every other Tom,Dick and Harry have been getting 4-6% over the last few years and I'm copping a wage freeze or 3%, then I'm going backwards!!!
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Teachers,policemen,politicians,firemen and nurses are essential services. They most probably run at a loss. Unfortuneately we are not immune and included in this list. If our business is run at a loss we will be run out of business. Just think Ansett.
Teachers,policemen,politicians,firemen and nurses are essential services. They most probably run at a loss. Unfortuneately we are not immune and included in this list. If our business is run at a loss we will be run out of business. Just think Ansett.
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If I do recall correctly Ansett was destroyed by the mgt and various engine and fuel vanishing acts.
Management from Ansett Engineering is now in control at Qantas, and is using the same dildo.
Take a look at John Vincents engineering reform video from ansett. Not much has changed to his plan.
When will they be seen and held accountable for their stupidity, rather then the worker.
Management from Ansett Engineering is now in control at Qantas, and is using the same dildo.
Take a look at John Vincents engineering reform video from ansett. Not much has changed to his plan.
When will they be seen and held accountable for their stupidity, rather then the worker.
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Ok try and hire a sparky,plumber,bricklayer to work on your house and see what they charge.
They don't work 12 hr shifts; don't work nighshift, don't work sundays or public holidays, don't care if they are a day or two late and can't be jailed for failing to do their job correctly. They have been getting substantially more than 3% over the last few years.
Again I say we are going backwards in comparison to all other trades and jobs. I notice annulus filler that you haven't argued against this point.
Qf will never have a problem attracting people to work on their planes because a career in aviation is a childhood dream for many(as it was for me).
The problem they will have is keeping experienced people that have some idea what they are talking about. QF will be like all the big car dealers where they have one mechanic that knows what he's doing and 10 apprentices doing all the work. It works OK for car dealers as the car can be towed back to the shop.(how many people can honestly say they have been happy with the treatment they've got from a car dealership service department??)
Personally I will leave before I become that one LAME
They don't work 12 hr shifts; don't work nighshift, don't work sundays or public holidays, don't care if they are a day or two late and can't be jailed for failing to do their job correctly. They have been getting substantially more than 3% over the last few years.
Again I say we are going backwards in comparison to all other trades and jobs. I notice annulus filler that you haven't argued against this point.
Qf will never have a problem attracting people to work on their planes because a career in aviation is a childhood dream for many(as it was for me).
The problem they will have is keeping experienced people that have some idea what they are talking about. QF will be like all the big car dealers where they have one mechanic that knows what he's doing and 10 apprentices doing all the work. It works OK for car dealers as the car can be towed back to the shop.(how many people can honestly say they have been happy with the treatment they've got from a car dealership service department??)
Personally I will leave before I become that one LAME
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Annulus Filler you wouldn't happen to be that d!ckhe@d up on the 3rf floor AP,who loves to swollow,why don't you come down to the hangar floor there's plenty for you down there.Co^ksucker.
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Numbskull and Sys 4, I feel you are both past your used by date. Maybe its time to move on and become sparkies,plumbers and bricklayers and you someday may realise that what you had at Qantas wasn't actually that bad.
No, sparkies, plumbers and bricklayers don't work 12hr shifts, its probably closer to 14hrs, 6 times a week. If you don't work, you don't get paid.
When was the last time a LAME went to gaol? You will probably see more sparkies, plumbers and bricklayers in gaol then LAMEs.
They would give you the world and you still wouldn't be happy.
No, sparkies, plumbers and bricklayers don't work 12hr shifts, its probably closer to 14hrs, 6 times a week. If you don't work, you don't get paid.
When was the last time a LAME went to gaol? You will probably see more sparkies, plumbers and bricklayers in gaol then LAMEs.
They would give you the world and you still wouldn't be happy.
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annulus filler, I'm not asking for the world- simply 4 % the same as everyone else.
Maybe it is time to move on and take a redundancy if they offer it-it will be the last one if they do!!
Qantas makes nearly $1 billion dollars profit this year-they are in no danger of becoming another Ansett. You have been brainwashed into believing G.D's doom and gloom stories for too long. Just because he repeats it every chance he gets doesn't make it true.
He wants employees to believe it so he can pay them less.He wants government to believe it so he can keep his protected routes.He wants travelling public to believe it so they will support their"Aussie Icon". All the while he rakes in the profits and ups his own pay to $6 million dollars a year!! In another era they called that propaganda.
I know from your previous posts that you are a an avionics LAME probably level 12 or 13. I can concede that life from your perspective is pretty good.However most LAMES would do more work than you AND get less money for it
You still haven't given me any reason let alone a good one as to why I should accept a pay rise less than the community standard.
Until you do I will just assume that you are a fool that will believe anything you are told!!
Maybe it is time to move on and take a redundancy if they offer it-it will be the last one if they do!!
Qantas makes nearly $1 billion dollars profit this year-they are in no danger of becoming another Ansett. You have been brainwashed into believing G.D's doom and gloom stories for too long. Just because he repeats it every chance he gets doesn't make it true.
He wants employees to believe it so he can pay them less.He wants government to believe it so he can keep his protected routes.He wants travelling public to believe it so they will support their"Aussie Icon". All the while he rakes in the profits and ups his own pay to $6 million dollars a year!! In another era they called that propaganda.
I know from your previous posts that you are a an avionics LAME probably level 12 or 13. I can concede that life from your perspective is pretty good.However most LAMES would do more work than you AND get less money for it
You still haven't given me any reason let alone a good one as to why I should accept a pay rise less than the community standard.
Until you do I will just assume that you are a fool that will believe anything you are told!!
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CM were in the 
have you been working. Me and the dudes here are scratching our heads to find who in the earns 100k. Pull your head out of you know were and get some fresh air.
Power of the pen. Just gona keep writting up those hold items
have you been working. Me and the dudes here are scratching our heads to find who in the earns 100k. Pull your head out of you know were and get some fresh air. Power of the pen. Just gona keep writting up those hold items
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anus filler i just want to get paid more than the local semi skilled bloke.
P.S how is Keith
P.S.S working on the 3rd floor doesn't make you a lame you need to be on the hangar floor were the aircraft is.
P.S how is Keith
P.S.S working on the 3rd floor doesn't make you a lame you need to be on the hangar floor were the aircraft is.
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Numbskull Teachers,policemen,politicians,firemen and nurses are essential services. They most probably run at a loss. Unfortuneately we are not immune and included in this list. If our business is run at a loss we will be run out of business. Just think Ansett.
They are paid for by the public.
Qantas isn't run at a loss. On the contrary, it is run at a good profit. Reason being, is they keep screwing our wages down not by running more efficiently. Poor management is disguised by keeping wages lower than they should be.
Vincent's efficient management saved Ansett, didn't it.
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Sure, I can understand we are always looking for more and this has always been the case. But to vote it down for a mere 1% more, I don't think it is worth it.
A grade 3 LAME on say $60000pa is promised a rise of $1800pa, and is gambling on an extra $600pa gross increase to vote 'No'.
A grade 12 LAME on say $110000pa is promised a rise of $3300pa, and is gambling on an extra $1100pa gross increase to vote 'No'.
Traditionally, if it got voted out the first time, we got less the second time, and this is a risk I personally don't want to take. Lets calm down and not let our emotions take over and look at the true facts.
A grade 3 LAME on say $60000pa is promised a rise of $1800pa, and is gambling on an extra $600pa gross increase to vote 'No'.
A grade 12 LAME on say $110000pa is promised a rise of $3300pa, and is gambling on an extra $1100pa gross increase to vote 'No'.
Traditionally, if it got voted out the first time, we got less the second time, and this is a risk I personally don't want to take. Lets calm down and not let our emotions take over and look at the true facts.
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No a grade 3 lame is gambling on extra % increase and also the 3 training points to bring him in line with existing lames and above a level 13 avionics ame.
The tradition of getting less second time around is one that we brought apon ourselves and is one that we can change if we took a stronger line and negotiated more proffesionally.
By the way the $600 gross increase is only looking at one years gain. You would be getting that $600 each year + when you go up a grade you would be getting the equivilent 1% more etc.
Your maths needs work.
Times the increase by the number of years you expect to work here.
The tradition of getting less second time around is one that we brought apon ourselves and is one that we can change if we took a stronger line and negotiated more proffesionally.
By the way the $600 gross increase is only looking at one years gain. You would be getting that $600 each year + when you go up a grade you would be getting the equivilent 1% more etc.
Your maths needs work.
Times the increase by the number of years you expect to work here.
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I understand what your saying Annulus. I initially thought the same after the proposed agreement was brought out minus the "transmission of business clause" and other nasties.
However know that I have had time to think about it some more I still can't see why we should accept less than every other industry and occupation. This of course is QF's plan to propose some truly nasty EBA items only drop them if we accept 3 %. Stringing out negotiations so there is 6 months backpay at stake is also a great tactic that the ALAEA fell into yet again.
We have been accepting 1-1.5% less than other industries for 5-6 years. That means we have gone backwards 6-9% in comparison to all other occupations.
When are we going to draw the line in the sand and say eneough is eneough.
Annulus, no one has still been able to give me any reason why we should accept less than everyone else. Mr Qantas,crystal mariner can you?
Spare me the rhetoric about going bust Ansett style though. There is NO danger of that happening in the forseeable future
However know that I have had time to think about it some more I still can't see why we should accept less than every other industry and occupation. This of course is QF's plan to propose some truly nasty EBA items only drop them if we accept 3 %. Stringing out negotiations so there is 6 months backpay at stake is also a great tactic that the ALAEA fell into yet again.
We have been accepting 1-1.5% less than other industries for 5-6 years. That means we have gone backwards 6-9% in comparison to all other occupations.
When are we going to draw the line in the sand and say eneough is eneough.
Annulus, no one has still been able to give me any reason why we should accept less than everyone else. Mr Qantas,crystal mariner can you?
Spare me the rhetoric about going bust Ansett style though. There is NO danger of that happening in the forseeable future