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Get off your high horses! Eagle maybe over the top with their interveiw process but has been previously stated it is good practice for when you get a look at the bigger fish.
Sounds to me like one or two of you are a bit bitter that you haven't got the call...As far as I am concerned with some of your attitudes, thank god I don't have to fly with you!!
Spooky good luck with the interveiw, at least you're being positive about it, pity no one has been able to give you constructive critisim!
The sim ride consists of an NDB approach, has been usually for NDB18 HN, but they are mixing it up a bit...An approach is an approach! Know your met minima, ie - AGL or AMSL, and know how to read an approach plate and you are already one step there!
Eagle is a pretty good palce to work, not the arrogance of some of the other operators, and all get on and do the job and have a good laugh while we are at it!
Get off your high horses! Eagle maybe over the top with their interveiw process but has been previously stated it is good practice for when you get a look at the bigger fish.
Sounds to me like one or two of you are a bit bitter that you haven't got the call...As far as I am concerned with some of your attitudes, thank god I don't have to fly with you!!
Spooky good luck with the interveiw, at least you're being positive about it, pity no one has been able to give you constructive critisim!
The sim ride consists of an NDB approach, has been usually for NDB18 HN, but they are mixing it up a bit...An approach is an approach! Know your met minima, ie - AGL or AMSL, and know how to read an approach plate and you are already one step there!
Eagle is a pretty good palce to work, not the arrogance of some of the other operators, and all get on and do the job and have a good laugh while we are at it!
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Eagle is Eagle. A stepping stone for a bigger company. Sort of like a GA company now. Use them to get to where you want to go.
ie. For a quick ATPL command, or just another step up to Air NZ/Cathay/Qantas/Poly/Virgin etc....
They are not a company to retire with. Good if you have a great lifestyle in one of their bases and you have another job but otherwise do your time and move on as quick as possible.
Eagle was once a great company but sadly with some of the powers that be working upstairs this is leading to their downfall. I would like to see some of them retire or just move on. Fresh faces with "positive" attitudes is what Eagle needs.
In the end you could do worst but a step up from flying a light twin.
As far as the interview goes....... Well you can be a NASA scientist or a "Good-time not long time" person and they still won't hire you. Their standards are all over the show.
On the last ground course I heard that a senior person came along and said "You're the best of the worst"
Good positive material.........
Good luck for those who venture into the land of the unknown.
ie. For a quick ATPL command, or just another step up to Air NZ/Cathay/Qantas/Poly/Virgin etc....
They are not a company to retire with. Good if you have a great lifestyle in one of their bases and you have another job but otherwise do your time and move on as quick as possible.
Eagle was once a great company but sadly with some of the powers that be working upstairs this is leading to their downfall. I would like to see some of them retire or just move on. Fresh faces with "positive" attitudes is what Eagle needs.
In the end you could do worst but a step up from flying a light twin.
As far as the interview goes....... Well you can be a NASA scientist or a "Good-time not long time" person and they still won't hire you. Their standards are all over the show.
On the last ground course I heard that a senior person came along and said "You're the best of the worst"
Good positive material.........
Good luck for those who venture into the land of the unknown.
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It breaks down like this ...................................................
Eagle Air are pretty much the bottom dwellers of the flying for the regionals in NZ but if ya happen to miss out on the other boyz ie Air Ns, Orig,Cook Chats, Awk ect it's maybe better than flying a piston twin . If you do have to scrape the aviation barrell in NZ get in, do ya time and get out hopfully without been to tainted and then ya should be looking sweet for somthing better. (Team Leader KFC Otara)
Eagle Air are pretty much the bottom dwellers of the flying for the regionals in NZ but if ya happen to miss out on the other boyz ie Air Ns, Orig,Cook Chats, Awk ect it's maybe better than flying a piston twin . If you do have to scrape the aviation barrell in NZ get in, do ya time and get out hopfully without been to tainted and then ya should be looking sweet for somthing better. (Team Leader KFC Otara)
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Rollie....
Have to disagree about Eagle being the bottom-dwellers of the NZ regional market.
Disregarding Air NSN and Mt Chook because they fly bigger equipment and thus do get paid better coin, then you can only compare Eagle with Origin in a similar 19-seat market.
Eagle pays better, has a annually increasing structure and flies a single, brand new fleet. has the big brother support of the International airline and the government.
Origin pays less, doesn't have a annually increasing structure and flies a mixed bag degenerate fleet, plus it seems to be continually looking for cash investors to prop themselves up.
I know who I'd rather be with.
As to the 3-day interview process.... i guess the people most likely to disagree with it are those that haven't successfully passed it? Nothing wrong with trying to get the most appropriate personnel for your business.
I have heard that AirNZ are worried that AirNSN so easily picks up those who have missed out in an Eagle interview and maybe will review their process to align it with AirNZ mailine and Eagle.
I've also heard the process will be streamlined across the group and that in fact one day a single 3 day interview will be the only one required and once in the "group" you will be able to move across/up/down the group as your seniority etc allows.
Cheers
S2K
Have to disagree about Eagle being the bottom-dwellers of the NZ regional market.
Disregarding Air NSN and Mt Chook because they fly bigger equipment and thus do get paid better coin, then you can only compare Eagle with Origin in a similar 19-seat market.
Eagle pays better, has a annually increasing structure and flies a single, brand new fleet. has the big brother support of the International airline and the government.
Origin pays less, doesn't have a annually increasing structure and flies a mixed bag degenerate fleet, plus it seems to be continually looking for cash investors to prop themselves up.
I know who I'd rather be with.
As to the 3-day interview process.... i guess the people most likely to disagree with it are those that haven't successfully passed it? Nothing wrong with trying to get the most appropriate personnel for your business.
I have heard that AirNZ are worried that AirNSN so easily picks up those who have missed out in an Eagle interview and maybe will review their process to align it with AirNZ mailine and Eagle.
I've also heard the process will be streamlined across the group and that in fact one day a single 3 day interview will be the only one required and once in the "group" you will be able to move across/up/down the group as your seniority etc allows.
Cheers
S2K
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S2K, good to see you back in the saddle - how was your holiday?
I think you've danced politely around the Origin subject you handbag man - let's face it Origin are clearly the bottom dwellers, they're the one you go to after you've blown it with the other scheduled, pax carrying operators. No doubt the people there are good to work with, just must be a worry wondering if your company has enough money in the bank for the next rainy day(I'm happy to stand corrected).
Rollie did you hit your head diving after those sunnies or what? You'd really go to Origin or Airwork (how about Air National) before Eagle? Each to his own, but why would you want to head down job-insecurity lane or buy a rating to get a job before exhausting the other options first. Not suggesting that Eagle is the bee's knees (for you conspiracists out there) but if EAG are bottom-dwellers then the above mentioned must be sub-terrainean. IMHO Chats would have to be the pick of the bunch.
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Hey Rollie, do you still like making the toast?
I think you've danced politely around the Origin subject you handbag man - let's face it Origin are clearly the bottom dwellers, they're the one you go to after you've blown it with the other scheduled, pax carrying operators. No doubt the people there are good to work with, just must be a worry wondering if your company has enough money in the bank for the next rainy day(I'm happy to stand corrected).
Rollie did you hit your head diving after those sunnies or what? You'd really go to Origin or Airwork (how about Air National) before Eagle? Each to his own, but why would you want to head down job-insecurity lane or buy a rating to get a job before exhausting the other options first. Not suggesting that Eagle is the bee's knees (for you conspiracists out there) but if EAG are bottom-dwellers then the above mentioned must be sub-terrainean. IMHO Chats would have to be the pick of the bunch.
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Hey Rollie, do you still like making the toast?
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Looking at all this from someone still in GA and looking for a job I can see both sides to the story. Sure Eagle have the backing of Air NZ/Govt hence more job securitey new planes. Thats about all they have going for them.
The 3 day interview: Im sure we all agree this is just a little bit over the top to drive a horse float. Does the process even work? Look at all the people who have missed out since this interview process began. I know quiet a few of these people well and they are all the good ******s that were good to work with and very competant pilots. (They have all moved on to Air nsn now) It seems to me that all the people who have got in are all the ones that were the F@#c wits and made all the stuff ups. I know this is a generalisation but I can only speak of the people I know.
A lot of the Eagle guys seem to have the I'm better than you, your just a G/A pleb attude. Their the ones that hold their nose in the air as they walk pass you when you see them around the airports unlike the Air nsn/Origin and Chats guys who normally say gidday.
They are definetely starting to get a bad rep around the place and there are lots of people in G/A who aren't even applying to them and given the current hiring situation it is understandable, there are better jobs out their.
Sqwark (Dork)2000 & PUMP & GO. I do agree with some of your comments about Origin but only if you were reffering to flying the 31/32. I beleve that the j41 job with them is far better than Eagle. (better plane, hostie, more pay, don,t have to live in some hick town ect)
Spooky, good luck with the interveiw mate. If you do miss out don't worry because their will be something better just around the corner.
The 3 day interview: Im sure we all agree this is just a little bit over the top to drive a horse float. Does the process even work? Look at all the people who have missed out since this interview process began. I know quiet a few of these people well and they are all the good ******s that were good to work with and very competant pilots. (They have all moved on to Air nsn now) It seems to me that all the people who have got in are all the ones that were the F@#c wits and made all the stuff ups. I know this is a generalisation but I can only speak of the people I know.
A lot of the Eagle guys seem to have the I'm better than you, your just a G/A pleb attude. Their the ones that hold their nose in the air as they walk pass you when you see them around the airports unlike the Air nsn/Origin and Chats guys who normally say gidday.
They are definetely starting to get a bad rep around the place and there are lots of people in G/A who aren't even applying to them and given the current hiring situation it is understandable, there are better jobs out their.
Sqwark (Dork)2000 & PUMP & GO. I do agree with some of your comments about Origin but only if you were reffering to flying the 31/32. I beleve that the j41 job with them is far better than Eagle. (better plane, hostie, more pay, don,t have to live in some hick town ect)
Spooky, good luck with the interveiw mate. If you do miss out don't worry because their will be something better just around the corner.
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Thump, thanks, the trip was good, looking forward to the times ahead in the South Island 
Re: the recent interviews, people were called on the Fri night after the panel interview and advised of their success, with a "large number" of the attendees (9 or 8) successful. Congrats to those who got through.
Puinarny,
Your can only compare apples with apples. Of course you'd be on a better deal on the J41 but this is larger ship than the 18/19 seat J31/32's & B1900's. My understanding is that the general rule of thumb is that Origin won't direct hire you onto the -41 ( with some exceptoions), so in terms of starting new with either Eagle or Origin & comparing B1900D's with J31/32 then Origin are below par (IMHO)
Takes a ****** to know a *****. 
S2K
Re: the recent interviews, people were called on the Fri night after the panel interview and advised of their success, with a "large number" of the attendees (9 or 8) successful. Congrats to those who got through.
Puinarny,
Your can only compare apples with apples. Of course you'd be on a better deal on the J41 but this is larger ship than the 18/19 seat J31/32's & B1900's. My understanding is that the general rule of thumb is that Origin won't direct hire you onto the -41 ( with some exceptoions), so in terms of starting new with either Eagle or Origin & comparing B1900D's with J31/32 then Origin are below par (IMHO)
they are all the good ******s
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Good to hear S2K, see you 'round the place
Puinarny(if that's your real name) first time caller, long time listener?
Do these "good ****s" you speak of have the same attitude as you? Do they (or you) consider that, that may be the reason they were given the "thanks but no thanks". While I'm sure your friends are 'good fullas' and "competent" they're not the same ones flying 90 degree intercepts to inbounds at 4nm, unable to lay drift for wind in the sim and whom see the group session as a chance to astound those around them with their oratory skills are they? It's not rocket science you know, there's enough info out there about how Eagle conduct their "over the top" interview - just follow the advice whether you like the process or not. If I may string a couple of cliches together - At the end of the day it's their train set. Full credit to the........ sorry got carried away.
Just where do you operate in GA to see pilots from all of the companies you mention? Have you or your friends ever say g'day first? All I get from the GA guys I say hi (first) to in AKL is a Neanderthal grunt - needless to say I get over it pretty quickly
Anybody with a hat ever given you the time of day? The trend on this forum tends to be invent a story that fits the argument - maybe you should run for US President.
Here's a news flash for you, the big boys don't actually care if you fly a 1900, J41 or Harbin Y-12 - none of it matters. Turbine time is just a way of getting some CV's off the table. Turboprop is actually GA with money and somebody to talk to. If you get there you'll find it's no different to what you do now.
A few quick pertinent points:
define "a better plane" 747 vs Concorde? J41vs1900vs340?
define "a hick town" NPL(Air Nel/formerly Origin) vs NSN
(hippie town) vs AKL,BHE,KKE?
explain why a hostie makes a job (flying that is people) better?
do you know how much a J41 driver gets?
NO-ONE cares if you and your mates don't like EAG or their interview, least of all their management.
NO-ONE cares if you and your mates don't apply. That is your democratic right!
Correct my Ali G fan, if spooky misses out there will be something to look forward around the corner - good call.
Yawn!....more of the same
T & G
ps: thanks for the amusment
Puinarny(if that's your real name) first time caller, long time listener?
Do these "good ****s" you speak of have the same attitude as you? Do they (or you) consider that, that may be the reason they were given the "thanks but no thanks". While I'm sure your friends are 'good fullas' and "competent" they're not the same ones flying 90 degree intercepts to inbounds at 4nm, unable to lay drift for wind in the sim and whom see the group session as a chance to astound those around them with their oratory skills are they? It's not rocket science you know, there's enough info out there about how Eagle conduct their "over the top" interview - just follow the advice whether you like the process or not. If I may string a couple of cliches together - At the end of the day it's their train set. Full credit to the........ sorry got carried away.
Just where do you operate in GA to see pilots from all of the companies you mention? Have you or your friends ever say g'day first? All I get from the GA guys I say hi (first) to in AKL is a Neanderthal grunt - needless to say I get over it pretty quickly
Anybody with a hat ever given you the time of day? The trend on this forum tends to be invent a story that fits the argument - maybe you should run for US President.
Here's a news flash for you, the big boys don't actually care if you fly a 1900, J41 or Harbin Y-12 - none of it matters. Turbine time is just a way of getting some CV's off the table. Turboprop is actually GA with money and somebody to talk to.
If you get there you'll find it's no different to what you do now.A few quick pertinent points:
define "a better plane" 747 vs Concorde? J41vs1900vs340?
define "a hick town" NPL(Air Nel/formerly Origin) vs NSN
(hippie town) vs AKL,BHE,KKE?
explain why a hostie makes a job (flying that is people) better?
do you know how much a J41 driver gets?
NO-ONE cares if you and your mates don't like EAG or their interview, least of all their management.
NO-ONE cares if you and your mates don't apply. That is your democratic right!
Correct my Ali G fan, if spooky misses out there will be something to look forward around the corner - good call.
Yawn!....more of the same
T & G
ps: thanks for the amusment
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My compliments to Thump and Go. Good reply post. I like it.
Puinarny - You need to chill. Sure there are going to be pilots in all organisations that will give you the cold shoulder but for the majority of them, they are pretty good.
Passing fellow pilots on the way through airports is always a quick "Hello" or a nod of the head. It's the same for the likes of Eagle, Origin, Air Nelson pilots when they go through WN, AA, CH and they see the jet guys/gals. You might know a couple of them or just know there face. A quick hello or nod still surfices.
Crikey with all the new faces coming through the GA operators at the moments I don't really recognise anyone now.
Anyway - I'm a firm believer in fate. What goes around comes around. In all walks of life.
Mr Squeekie2000 - moved to the South Island? Drop in and say hi I'll come around for a couple of refreshing beverages.
Puinarny - You need to chill. Sure there are going to be pilots in all organisations that will give you the cold shoulder but for the majority of them, they are pretty good.
Passing fellow pilots on the way through airports is always a quick "Hello" or a nod of the head. It's the same for the likes of Eagle, Origin, Air Nelson pilots when they go through WN, AA, CH and they see the jet guys/gals. You might know a couple of them or just know there face. A quick hello or nod still surfices.
Crikey with all the new faces coming through the GA operators at the moments I don't really recognise anyone now.
Anyway - I'm a firm believer in fate. What goes around comes around. In all walks of life.
Mr Squeekie2000 - moved to the South Island? Drop in and say hi I'll come around for a couple of refreshing beverages.
Well well, a simple post quickly degenerating. I am not going to wade into the whole who is better etc etc because my opinions are my own and it really makes no difference to others which side of the fence I have decided to set up camp on.
However I must take issue with something in Thump & Go's last post. I have worked in GA for a couple of years now and when I walk down the fingers at Auckland, or for that matter, any other regional airport I may happen to visit, the pilots who reguarly look me in the eye and say hello or reply to my hello are the Mt Cook,Air Nelson and Origin guys and girls. Now I don't want to draw coclusions about why this is but if as a group (there are a few exceptions), the Eagle pilots want to have a reputation as a freindly bunch then they have done a poor job with me and many others I know.
I don't believe in the whole: I am better than you because I survived GA/Instructing. We are all in this together, and if we don't hurry up and realise this then we might end up retiring bitter old men/women. Be proud of what you have achieved no matter what company you work for, but give others some proffessional consideration.
However I must take issue with something in Thump & Go's last post. I have worked in GA for a couple of years now and when I walk down the fingers at Auckland, or for that matter, any other regional airport I may happen to visit, the pilots who reguarly look me in the eye and say hello or reply to my hello are the Mt Cook,Air Nelson and Origin guys and girls. Now I don't want to draw coclusions about why this is but if as a group (there are a few exceptions), the Eagle pilots want to have a reputation as a freindly bunch then they have done a poor job with me and many others I know.
I don't believe in the whole: I am better than you because I survived GA/Instructing. We are all in this together, and if we don't hurry up and realise this then we might end up retiring bitter old men/women. Be proud of what you have achieved no matter what company you work for, but give others some proffessional consideration.
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Get a grip people!
All of New Zealand = a small town
All of the NZ turboprop operators put together = a very small industry in a very small town.
Half of us know each other by name and if we don't then we probably know the others by sight or reputation at least.
Sitting there and saying that the pilots for this airline are good blokes and those pilots are full of themselves, is just 10-year-old school playground sh!t.
No one in CX or Emirates or Virgin is going to give a rats @rse whether we flew a jetstream or a beech or a saab or an ATR.
Just like any other workers in any other job, sometimes pilots are in a mood to say gidday and sometimes we're late / stressed about wx / some other operations balls up and we're too busy to talk.
But mate I am still close enough removed from the old GA hard graft, to wake up with a big smile on my face every morning - we've all survived the instructing and GA and stress about where the next meal is gonna come from, on the whole I am surrounded by a bunch of stable extrovert types instead of nutcase flying school students, I'm paying the bills on time every month, logging twin turbine time, getting paid to wear a big airline pilot's jacket and a hat with scrambled eggs on the front, I'm on the big wide gold plated road to a kick ass jet airliner in another couple of years, I get a lot of days off and I'm still young enough to get out and go spend all day surfing or mountain biking or whatever it is I feel like doing, and I bloody enjoy every second of it.
Now get off the goddam internet and go make someone happy you lot
All of New Zealand = a small town
All of the NZ turboprop operators put together = a very small industry in a very small town.
Half of us know each other by name and if we don't then we probably know the others by sight or reputation at least.
Sitting there and saying that the pilots for this airline are good blokes and those pilots are full of themselves, is just 10-year-old school playground sh!t.
No one in CX or Emirates or Virgin is going to give a rats @rse whether we flew a jetstream or a beech or a saab or an ATR.
Just like any other workers in any other job, sometimes pilots are in a mood to say gidday and sometimes we're late / stressed about wx / some other operations balls up and we're too busy to talk.
But mate I am still close enough removed from the old GA hard graft, to wake up with a big smile on my face every morning - we've all survived the instructing and GA and stress about where the next meal is gonna come from, on the whole I am surrounded by a bunch of stable extrovert types instead of nutcase flying school students, I'm paying the bills on time every month, logging twin turbine time, getting paid to wear a big airline pilot's jacket and a hat with scrambled eggs on the front, I'm on the big wide gold plated road to a kick ass jet airliner in another couple of years, I get a lot of days off and I'm still young enough to get out and go spend all day surfing or mountain biking or whatever it is I feel like doing, and I bloody enjoy every second of it.
Now get off the goddam internet and go make someone happy you lot
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When I get my eagle job maybe I could sugest a new company slogen to help rase moral like
"Eagle Air Staafff Where Ordinary People too"
I could also help make the toast in the crew room so when the boys come in after a hard night they got somthing to line their tummies and hopfuly no one will get fired again.
I was gonna get a medical but Redgy told me that when he was down at his AA meeting one of the big boss men from eagle who interview special people like me were down there too and he didn't have his medical either cos he been drinken to much L&P or was that J&D so mite spend the money on new toaster for my mate's at eagle insted.
I can't hardly wait! my mate's at eagle are gonna tech me how to fly the B1900 cos I hear the training there is so good and the people are so nice like when I saw them teaching this other special person like me how to fly the other day I herd a loud BANG! and saw all this smoke out of the plane cos the special people in the plane had over temped & tourqed the poor little plane while they were training
They had to pull the engine out and it had a one way ticket to the big hangar in the sky
I don't care though my wheelchair did the same one time when I drove it in the pool
"Eagle Air Staafff Where Ordinary People too"
I could also help make the toast in the crew room so when the boys come in after a hard night they got somthing to line their tummies and hopfuly no one will get fired again.
I was gonna get a medical but Redgy told me that when he was down at his AA meeting one of the big boss men from eagle who interview special people like me were down there too and he didn't have his medical either cos he been drinken to much L&P or was that J&D so mite spend the money on new toaster for my mate's at eagle insted.
I can't hardly wait! my mate's at eagle are gonna tech me how to fly the B1900 cos I hear the training there is so good and the people are so nice like when I saw them teaching this other special person like me how to fly the other day I herd a loud BANG! and saw all this smoke out of the plane cos the special people in the plane had over temped & tourqed the poor little plane while they were training
They had to pull the engine out and it had a one way ticket to the big hangar in the sky
I don't care though my wheelchair did the same one time when I drove it in the pool
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Just to save you scrolling all the way to the top off the page
The ever-informed S2K wrote:
Now that sounds a bit more like it, 8 or 9 out of how many? I'm assuming maybe 10-12 - the odds they are becoming a bit more favourable me thinks
Ground course runs 12-17 April, sounds like they may be off to Canada pretty quick - Cathay having aparently followed up on a few of those yes letters.
On a related matter, I guess the Waikato Aero Club will be in need of a new boss (won't have to look far), Air Gisborne losing one off the top as well - anyone know where the others are from? Any of the up and coming J31/2 drivers switch boats? (not getting into any debate as to which would be better).
Congrats to everyone who got the nod.
The ever-informed S2K wrote:
Re: the recent interviews, people were called on the Fri night after the panel interview and advised of their success, with a "large number" of the attendees (9 or 8) successful. Congrats to those who got through.
Ground course runs 12-17 April, sounds like they may be off to Canada pretty quick - Cathay having aparently followed up on a few of those yes letters.
On a related matter, I guess the Waikato Aero Club will be in need of a new boss (won't have to look far), Air Gisborne losing one off the top as well - anyone know where the others are from? Any of the up and coming J31/2 drivers switch boats? (not getting into any debate as to which would be better).
Congrats to everyone who got the nod.