Braathens pilots fired?
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There is an excess of pilots in BU. That is still to be taken care of!
There is an excess of pilots in SK/NO. There is already a deal that takes care of that.
But what you´ve heard is wrong!
rgds Timilu
There is an excess of pilots in SK/NO. There is already a deal that takes care of that.
But what you´ve heard is wrong!
rgds Timilu
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It has been decided by the new SAS Braathens management that the CoS to be used within the newly merged company will be the latest SAS CoS, as these are the most effecient. This will obviously create a further surplus of pilots within Braathens (on top of the one already there!) and this surplus is to be taken care of before the new SAS Braathens will see the light of day. Basically this means that Braathens will have to lay of an until further unknown amount of pilots. But looking at the BU operation, number of A/C vs Pilots, then it is most likely gonna hurt quite a bit there. Sorry for them lads. But it also hurt when it happend at SAS.
Best of luck to everybody.
Y
Best of luck to everybody.
Y
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Yeager, what are you talking about? This is BS. There is hardly any surplus at Braathens. According to norwegian law any surplus must be delt with before the merger of the two workforces. Guess the shoe is on the other foot!
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There is hardly any surplus at Braathens.
Is it likely that just because Braathens have a more ineficcient CoS there there will be fewer layoffs in Braathens than Scandinavian Airlines?
Get real!
The surplus in SAS and Braathens has to be determined after the same CoS. Or don't you think that would be fair?
According to norwegian law any surplus must be delt with before the merger of the two workforces.
By the way, Scandinavian Airlines are now cancelling a massive amount of flights due to lack of crew...
Time for a shoe-switch again.
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OffCourse, as Your name indicates I think you might be a bit "Off Course" 
There will most likely be som more surplus in both camps but lets try to take care of it collectivly and in due time (two years is my guess) the company will be screaming for pilots. In five years all h... is going to brake lose when there aren´t any qualified pilots to find anywhere!
But then again "time vil sjå" time will tell!
Good luck to all of oss and may Mike O´leary burn in H...
There will most likely be som more surplus in both camps but lets try to take care of it collectivly and in due time (two years is my guess) the company will be screaming for pilots. In five years all h... is going to brake lose when there aren´t any qualified pilots to find anywhere! But then again "time vil sjå" time will tell!
Good luck to all of oss and may Mike O´leary burn in H...
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Hotel Charlie: You aren't really answering my or Yeager's posts at all.
Yeager's post is "BS" (which parts of it?), and you admit I am right ("There will most likely be som more surplus in both camps"), only to conclude that i am "Off Course".
I know that BU pilots (including you, it seems), think that there is no surplus at Braathens and that if there's going to be layoffs in either of the companies, this will be in SAS. This is wrong.
The reason for that is that the braathens pilots' have a far less effective collective agreement than SAS. And as Yeager states, it has been decided at SAS' "tjänstgöringsbilag" will be used in SAS Braathens, as it is the most efficient.
As SAS Braathens wil operate under SAS' "tjänstgöringsbilag", this deal will also be used to determine how many pilots per aircraft SAS Braathens need. This number is far smaller than the number of pilots Braathens have on their 26 airplanes as of today.
In other words, when you say that "There is hardly any surplus at Braathens," that might be so now, using BU's ineffective collective agreement. But the pilot surplus in Braathens will not be determined on the basis of that agreement.
Yeager's post is "BS" (which parts of it?), and you admit I am right ("There will most likely be som more surplus in both camps"), only to conclude that i am "Off Course".
I know that BU pilots (including you, it seems), think that there is no surplus at Braathens and that if there's going to be layoffs in either of the companies, this will be in SAS. This is wrong.
The reason for that is that the braathens pilots' have a far less effective collective agreement than SAS. And as Yeager states, it has been decided at SAS' "tjänstgöringsbilag" will be used in SAS Braathens, as it is the most efficient.
As SAS Braathens wil operate under SAS' "tjänstgöringsbilag", this deal will also be used to determine how many pilots per aircraft SAS Braathens need. This number is far smaller than the number of pilots Braathens have on their 26 airplanes as of today.
In other words, when you say that "There is hardly any surplus at Braathens," that might be so now, using BU's ineffective collective agreement. But the pilot surplus in Braathens will not be determined on the basis of that agreement.
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No use speculating over something absolutely nobody knows anything about today.(that didn`t sound right?!)
If there is any surplus in the companies, they are about to decide that as we speak.
As far as I know, the company (SASBraathens) will try to use the extra crews to expand rather than laying them off.
Yeager: Where have you heard that SASBU will use SAS CoS?
What`s the difference in the aggreements with
regards to duty time?
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OffCourse.
There are more factors than CoS to determine the amount of crew needed. Route structure,crew rostering systems, etc.
I think it is wrong to throw torches in this forum to see how the affected parties react when the information still is lacking.
A&A
If there is any surplus in the companies, they are about to decide that as we speak.
As far as I know, the company (SASBraathens) will try to use the extra crews to expand rather than laying them off.
Yeager: Where have you heard that SASBU will use SAS CoS?
What`s the difference in the aggreements with
regards to duty time?
A&A
OffCourse.
There are more factors than CoS to determine the amount of crew needed. Route structure,crew rostering systems, etc.
I think it is wrong to throw torches in this forum to see how the affected parties react when the information still is lacking.
A&A
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Yeager and OffCourse,
From the numbers I´ve seen there are less pilots operating per a/c at BU than at SK. There are several reasons for that ofcourse but taking all that into account the collective agreements are now not that different. The beancounters and their pilot helpers did for a while think that the SK agreement was a lot more efficient but they went back on that and are looking at it again
Hopefully we´ll start expanding real soon and this will all take care of itself
From the numbers I´ve seen there are less pilots operating per a/c at BU than at SK. There are several reasons for that ofcourse but taking all that into account the collective agreements are now not that different. The beancounters and their pilot helpers did for a while think that the SK agreement was a lot more efficient but they went back on that and are looking at it again
Hopefully we´ll start expanding real soon and this will all take care of itself
