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Winemaker 16th July 2023 21:14


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11468358)
Can't find it, but if anyone has it, it shows the beast beneath the chintz and venom.

Thanks a lot fdr, I can't unsee that. I need to wash my eyes with bleach or something.

NutLoose 16th July 2023 21:32

FINALLY…. Approval being given to start F16 training..

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GeeRam 16th July 2023 21:32


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11468619)
Now I do not know if this is real, but if it is, wow. Still, they do kill regardless.



https://twitter.com/clashreport/stat...01037265121281

Indeed.
All in good condition though......so must have been recently removed from deep storage and cleaned of cosmo. I'm surprised there's not a load of WW2 German stuff being dug out as well, the USSR refurbished about 6 million German K98k's alone in the 1950's and then put them into storage, along with MP40's, MG34's and MG42's etc. The corrupt officials though have sold a lot of the German stuff to collectors for good money during the past 30 years though, so maybe not much left?

The Lend-Lease Thompsons are M1A1's so from 1942/43 era not 1938, and they'll not be any use as they hardly used them during WW2 through lack of .45ACP ammo, so I doubt they'll have much of it to use now...??

rattman 17th July 2023 01:47

Various reports coming through that the crimea bridge has been struck again

Greyzone reportAt 03:04 and 03:20, two strikes were carried out on the Crimean bridge by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

One span collapsed, another came off the support, which accounted for at least one hit.

Previously, two people also died, one was injured (a child).

The brown line continues.

Beamr 17th July 2023 02:08

A video of the damage. Not as exstensive as last time if this is the only damage. However prevents the usage.



rattman 17th July 2023 02:19


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11468731)
A video of the damage. Not as exstensive as last time if this is the only damage. However prevents the usage.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...59823976247296

Apparently 2 separate strikes at 2 different locations about 20 minutes apart, theres other stills showing the a end of one span about 3-4 feet in the air, hard to make any BDA based on such early info

rattman 17th July 2023 02:58


The Russian-Appointed Leader of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov has announced that the 145th Pillar on the Kerch Strait Bridge has Collapsed as a result of a “Terrorist Attack” causing a Total Halt in Car Traffic across the Bridge; he further stated that No Damage was caused to the Train Bridge and that Rail Traffic will begin again soon.
If they lost a pier than the road bridge is ....... boned/screwed

Winemaker 17th July 2023 03:04


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11468742)
If they lost a pier than the road bridge is ....... boned/screwed

I'd guess the Russian holiday makers might have some regrets.... A few more hits might be called for, the bridge is certainly not going anywhere.

rattman 17th July 2023 03:10


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11468743)
I'd guess the Russian holiday makers might have some regrets.... A few more hits might be called for, the bridge is certainly not going anywhere.

IF they have taken out a pier then bridge is done for. Might as well hit the rail bridge instead

Also a complete and totally unsubstantiated rumor, but russians are reporting that part of the black sea grain deal was that ukraine would not target the crimean bridge. Guess what deal officially ended today ?



Beamr 17th July 2023 05:29

Morning has broken, a few pictures.



ORAC 17th July 2023 06:19

In depth look at the sacking of multiple Russian front-line generals…

NEW: The #Russian MoD has begun to remove commanders from some of the Russian military’s most combat effective units and formations and appears to be accelerating this effort. This effort may significantly demoralize Russian forces fighting in #Ukraine.

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Beamr 17th July 2023 06:22

Video of the damaged part from a passing by train.

I wonder when will they hit the railway bridge.



ORAC 17th July 2023 06:50

Confirms the report from the Russian governor of Crimea that pier 145 was taken down leading to the road collapse, the missing portion is quite evident.

Need an engineer to confirm if that can be repaired, but I would have thought that it would need total replacement for structural integrity.

The remaining half supports the other road span. Will the remaining part of the pier retain its structural strength or will the that span be compromised as well?

Dead on Time 17th July 2023 07:02


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11468778)
Video of the damaged part from a passing by train.

I wonder when will they hit the railway bridge.

hope it's when an ammo train is crossing the bridge....lots of brisance in a thousand tons or more of exploding ammunition :E

DoT

Beamr 17th July 2023 07:35

First UKR pilots have already left for F16 training.

No exact number mentioned but "dozens"



SRMman 17th July 2023 08:01


Originally Posted by Dead on Time (Post 11468793)

Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11468778)
Video of the damaged part from a passing by train.

I wonder when will they hit the railway bridge.

hope it's when an ammo train is crossing the bridge....lots of brisance in a thousand tons or more of exploding ammunition :E

DoT

Should the question not be: I wonder WHY they haven't hit the railway bridge?

You'd think that the rail link is more useful to the Russians in terms of heavy munitions getting in, leaving the road link available for the ground forces to leave?

Beamr 17th July 2023 08:08

Russian officials have reportedly advised tourists to go via Melitopol. That's 50km from the front. What a brilliant idea.
Also, the bridges from Crimea in the north have been targets as well.



Beamr 17th July 2023 08:18

This video shows well how both road spans are damaged. Highly likely that nothing will be moving via the bridge safely for a good while in neither direction.
Still waiting for images of the pylon to emerge. Hopefully the pylon is shot as well.



ORAC 17th July 2023 08:19


Should the question not be: I wonder WHY they haven't hit the railway bridge?
Attack being reported as being made using naval drones, the road spans are to the south, the attack direction, and the road span piers are in front of the rail piers.

To attack the rail piers they’d have to pass under the bridge and circle round to attack from the north.


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Tartiflette Fan 17th July 2023 08:42


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11468836)
Attack being reported as being made using naval drones, the road spans are to the south, the attack direction, and the road span piers are in front of the rail piers.

To attack the rail piers they’d have to pass under the bridge and circle round to attack from the north.

We don't know if these were high-speed or stealth drones. In the latter case there would seem to be no reason not to simply motor through and aim at the rail piers: if it were the former, then undoubtedly more difficult, but unknown if circling back would be required.I do wonder, however, why the rail piers were not attacked. Everything I have read says that the rail link is much more important to the supply effort.

EDIT: Was the final outcome of the investigation of the first attack that it was a truck-bomb carried by a Ukrainian agent/sympathiser/unknowing transport driver ? I don't recall anthying after the initial burst of news.


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