Dark Blue update - we have seen the way to keep manpower (slyly). We have taken the responsibility for recording discipline data away from the RN Policemen, and given it to Leading Writers - which means that the Pay Office gets to retain some more subject specialists! Signal came out today asking us to cancel all SNCO Police courses and rebook with Leading Writers "recognising that it may require more than one person per unit." Result for us, I think.

Sad thing is that even at this late stage we are still specifying who requires which role within a unit.

CEA
 

Just been trying to claim CEA, obviously it doesn't work and just freezes/times out after pressing submit. Anyone else having problems?:ugh:

In order for CEA to work correctly your HR Admin are required to record your mobility certficate in two different places within the HR Admin role, this could possibly be what is causing the system to freeze (or is it just because it is crap!!). Also if you are claiming SENA that needs to be recorded by HR Admin as well.

A tip on submitting CEA, if you override the screen you claim wll first go to the JPAC to autorise before it goes to your local approver. Also JPAC say they are going to do pay runs on a weekly basis to pay CEA so the earlier you get it in teh sooner it gets paid and if you put it into a high interest account you will get something out of the system.. However, wether or not these weekly pay runs will ecer occur is another matter altogether......

Well that is it I have looked at this thread for some time now and the QR1001 went in today, :\ So Ill just have to wait out now and see what happens, who knows this time next week I could be NCO IC Commcen Saxa Vord or permenantly peeling spuds in the cookhouse. It is true what some people have said about redress of complaint etc... It does take a bit of ba!!s but after 21 years in the job it saddens me to do this but it seems the only course to take as we all are just getting nowhere fast, and as has been said "Up to date there have been no official complaints". Well heres mine and I hope others will take heart from this and follow suit... I will of course keep readers updated when i receive further information. (Maybe live from Colchester eh!!)

Heres Hoping :E

I don't understand the fear involved in raising a complaint. There is nothing they can do to you if you stick to facts and follow procedures. You should find that your CoC back you all the way (they are not immune to this problem), and you have a full audit trail of the complaint. If you think you are being disadvantaged because of the action you are taking, mention this to the Equal Ops Liaison person - it would count as harassment and discrimination, something the Forces can't afford to let bite them.

Good luck (if you get to MCTC, let me know and I will arrange for the Staff to let you have internet access.....)

Readers of this thread may be interested in the replies I have received from Lord Drayson, the MoD Minister, about JPA. I asked:
It also explains the process of consultation. The Hansard link is here.

CEA TIP
 

We were notified a week ago that the HR actions referred to by BB25 were about to be undertaken by our Unit Staff. I believe this has now been completed. However, another part of the nonsense is that if you apply now, you will only get the 2005/6 rate. The advice is to wait until after 1 Aug 06 (if memory serves) so that you get the full rate. The way boarding school fees are going at the moment, this may be a significant difference, especially for those of us whose kids cost more than 110% of the maximum allowance.

We seem to be very lucky because the Chief Clerk has been involved in the Project. However, I believe there are already 2 redresses sitting in the CO's tray - and no, he doesn't mind a bit! Bring them on!

STH

Edited for bod spillin

Thank you for asking such well designed and searching questions. We now know that the MOD expected to make savings in each of the following allowances:

• Female Clothing Grants
  
• Civilian Clothing Grants (Hot Posts)
  
• Compensation for Lost and Damaged Effects
  
• Local Overseas Allowance
  
• Get You Home (Overseas)
  
• Get You Home (Islands)
  
• Northern Ireland Journeys
  
• Northern Ireland Resident's Supplement
  
• Recruitment and Retention Allowance (London)
  
• Disturbance Allowance
  
• Removal Expenses
  
• Separation Allowances
  
• Get You Home (Early Years)
  
• Get You Home (Seagoers)
  
• Subsistence Allowances
  
• Missed Meal Payments
  
• Special Messing Allowance
  
• Northern Ireland Compensatory Food Allowance
  
• Home to Duty Travel (Public) and (Private)

However, they do say that they have "generated [these] savings to offset increased provision in other areas and so ensure that the overall allowance package is broadly cost neutral."

Personally, the list above seems to have captured just about every allowance that I've ever claimed! So, it would be very interesting to know just where the increased provision is being made. I wonder if it is the provision of the JPA service itself?

Got to agree with you there LFFC. It's not going to be cost neutral if the savings from the main allowances package - and let's not mince words: the cut in allowances for the majority, stealthily brought in under the cover of JPA, is to be redirected to the lesbian submarine aircrew transexual's petticoat allowance increase.

Quite rightly so. For far, far too long, Lesbian Submarine aircrew transexuals have been deemed second class citizens and have not been given adequate allowances. At last they will be given an allowance to purchase much needed petticoats

Our Chief Clerk sent out an e-mail this morning asking for anyone with complaints to send them to him by e-mail and he would pass them on at an 'informal' briefing with the JPA team next week.
I replied that he should be reminding personnel of the FORMAL complaints procedure.
A very hostile response suggesting that the formal method is not necessary and just 'trouble making' for no good reason.
Get those complaints in NOW! :ok:

I have heard that units are being encouraged to follow this "unofficial" procedure in the hope that complaints are not made formal - and therefore cannot be used in official figures.

It's dangerous when you are being earmarked as a "trouble maker" for simply following the rules and regulations!

Resettlement
 

Just a thought...

Just completed my resettlement training course and decided to 'pop' into the wonderful ladies at our 'training centre' to claim my 20% and my SLC. Two minutes completing the form...job done ! I commented to them that my 'JPA enhanced' advance of accom and subsistance had taken 38 days from acknowledgement to payment!!! They said I should recieve my cash next week...

And as my advance had taken so long to appear...I wonder if the system will pay my Visa charges and interest? Well...if the wonderful chief cash counter is anything to go by...a big fat no. He didnt think I deserved the cash from the start...

5d2d

July's Pay Statement is in!
 

Well it has taken them 4 months of hard work in JPA Towers and they have finally done it!:D They have managed to mess up my pay so I now join the majority and can now phone up and have nothing done for the next month.:ugh:
PA

It's not 'GPD Taxable', is it?

Just spoken to JPAC EC having had the same issue for 3 consecutive payslips - they referred to an e-mail from the 'back office' stating that the GPD Taxable was a known problem affecting "lots of people" (their words not mine) and that a 'bulk fix' was going to be applied on the AUGUST pay run i.e end of Aug. They had also been instructed not to raise any SRs against the issue.

:ugh:

Good luck

BG

SBG

I've just got my June, yes that's right, June payslip and noticed this GPD Taxable debt in the bottom right hand corner. The amount was £733, so being a bit concerned I called the JPAC helpdesk and asked what it was. They gave me the same explanation that you have posted, i.e. loads of people in a similar position and you will get repaid end of August. Not good enough I said, there's 10 days to sort it out - we'll get back to you!! Not holding my breath, but I will be registering a formal complaint - and anybody outh there should do the same!

SDF

Hi Gang;

I have been lucky so far with the JPA pay debacle....until now!!!:\

Last thing before stack today, I went and had a peek at the payroll pages to see how much I'm getting at the end of July, and was pleased to see that my LSSA outstanding from January has finally been paid. :ok:

However, and this may affect loads of peeps....my increment due date....nicely annotated on the old payslips has come and gone with no increase in the basic pay. Easy to spot now as we get the standard 30.xx days pay per month. Now it only amounts to about £38 gross per month and after tax will only be worth the price odf a shabby haircut.... but the JPAC music station will be getting a call on Monday morning....:rolleyes:

Unless I'm in Cyprus!!!!

More LAter;
'J' Bloke!!:cool:

Some would say your only paid what your worth:E

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

Same as me on the increment front. Another thing can someone explain what NPD means. Up to now they have taken nothing. However in the next statement they have taken it out of my pay:mad: :mad:

Ex J bloke

I rang the JPAC on this today, mine had a NPD deduction followed by an NPD credit for the same amount. The nice people explained that it was a computer glich (on JPA, who has ver heard of such a thing!!) and that they are trying to sort it out:ugh:

On the plus side - my increment was paid and so was 4 months worth of Home to Duty that stopped when JPA came online.

Having just seen this months pay statement on JPA (at least the computers seem to have been working quite quickly) and yet again for the third month no flying pay. I am banging my head against a brick wall speaking to the JPA line - I am being told that it is being sorted, but now I am nearly 2000 GBP out of pocket.
I am not able to spend much time chasing this at the moment due to work rate on a course. What is the official complaints procedure mentioned? I was given an address to write to , but is there an e-mail address I can write to? The complaints procedure does not seem to be well advertised.
Maybe redress is the only way forward??:ugh:

Like everyone on this thread I have again checked the Jul pay roll and yet again since Feb this year I have not been paid my due daily rate of pay. Had a nice talk with my Flt Cmdr today about my 1001, along the lines of "Let me talk to OC PSF tonight" Well it has now got beyond that I like everyone on this thread want what is owed to us all pompey Sailer, thanks for your advice, the 1001 is still winging its way to Harry the Staish now as it is Jul and 5 Months is quite enough. Oh yes it may seem like teaching you all to suck eggs, but don't forget when you finally receive your much deserved back pay for flying pay etc.. dont forget to Gen App for the interest that it would have gathered if you had placed it in another (High Interest) account... I am :ok: you are quite within your rights to do this... As Pompey Sailor said before, I think those in JPA Towers are now at loss, and we are all about to fall by the way side in favour of getting the kit together for our other service people, Ah well Could be worse, I could be an Israeli Conscript :ooh: Bet they never brought into JPA

saw pay chit online, have changed over to PAS this month, but still getting flying pay and have no idea how they worked out the basic pay. Also doesnt tell you what level they have inserted you at, so I guess more time on the phone on monday. Wouldnt be so bad, but spoke to them a few weeks ago trying to prevent this all happening, still good to see the Group Captain responsible for JPA got an OBE, at everyone else's expense. I really do think the way the pay chit is presented is very poor with minuses and pluses all on the deductions side. Leaves me wondering whats been taken off and what hasn't until i get the calculator out and try to make it fit the total deductions. Anyone else think its presented poorly?

Mine has never been anything less than two chits long...I end up sat at my desk staring at it for an hour or so until most of it makes sense.

My pay came in correct last month and I was paid some back pay/money owed...trouble is I've no idea what is right anymore. I'm could well be owed more but the pay chits are so coded.

Want a Job?
 

Well if this advert is true, it seems that they are recruiting some more personnel to help 'fix' all the pay c*ck-ups.
Oh and the ad was found on Monster Jobs, under engineers/defence.

Education Level: Bachelor's Degree

Be intersting to see what they are planning to pay someone who is degree-level educated to be a Payroll Technical/Functional Specialist.

Perhaps from that we can assess whether the applicants are more likely to have a first in maths/computer science from Cambridge, or a 3rd in Aircraft Modelling from the local super-duper-academy-technical-specialist-college that New Labour opened to keep people in educayshun and therefore youth unemployment figures down.

I'm deployed OOA for 6 months to a location where we have no access to JPA. This is my first month away, so will I get LOA and LSSA that's due? When (if) I get paid, because I can't get to JPA, I will have no idea whether the pay is right or not. For some reason, I got 800 gbp paid into my account by HMG this month - I have no idea why; I rang back to my home unit to ask, and of course they can't access my JPA account so couldn't tell me. Will the error (I suspect it is an error!) be deducted this month? God knows...:uhoh: :confused:

Just to say that all the problems that occurred over the past 3 months, that they paid up for in Junes pay packet, are now back in July's pay packet...

I also hear on the grapevine that they are not going to rectify it until Augusts pay packet....

JPA - Reducing operational output
 

:* 4 Hours! That's the amount of time I have spent submitting one claim today when I have a proper job to do, actually it's 3 jobs due to gapping and deployment, but I spent 4 hours either typing and clicking through the myriad of options, on the phone to PSF - sorry HR - or swearing through sheer frustration. Advice from HR was to try it later after normal working hours, or to come in early tomorow. Add to this that 2 other officers in my office have spent a similar amount of time submitting claims, or helping each other with understanding the admin maze that is JPA, that's about 12 hours' work that hasn't been done. Do I tell them not to try and submit claims when there's work to be done? There is operational output, but there are the needs of the individual too.
Hopefully someone might take notice of the immense frustration. We are supposed to be warfighters, but when you say 'warfighters' you don't get an image of our modern-day gladiators stuck at a very slow computer screen trying to work out what gobbledygook claim they should submit.
Bring back the F1171 so that we can write the claim and then get on with our core work whilst it is processed.:mad:

I can certainly mirror your feeling and problems. My days are numbered but even so trying to work my way through claims is a nightmare. No one is interested or even bothered...!!! But hey...what the hell, in days im a civvy and the backlash from taking 'those in authority' to court will be negligable for me. I wonder how many Chief clerks and OC A'S will end up with 'credit rating' problems after court judgements are made against them. Just a thought.

5d2d

Do they owe you money personally, then? If it's owed to you by the RAF, then it will be MoD that carries the can, not any individual employees.

That said, it would be fun to use www.moneyclaim.gov.uk to get what is owed to you :E

I do believe 'crown' immunity was removed some years back, so the faceless answer of its the 'MOD' fault will not wear.In fact that answer is all to common amongst senior position holders and as such is a get out clause which allows them to duck the responsibilty of their decisions. In a way it will be interesting to see who they pass the court summons too...maybe it will be a catalyst for change when every unit has their OC A and Chief Clerk attending court on the same day.

5d2d

Actually, I am not bothered about the court aspects, I just want our office to be able to concentrate on our important job whilst the admin task runs alongside, not to the detriment of all else.

I wonder how many units are listing JPA amongst the 'things affecting operational output' on the brief to their AOCs prior to the AFVs? I've seen a few recently that have - and I gather people on the ground are being fairly frank when asked for comment. Tell it like it is - this is the worst blow to quality of life for personnel since....... (thinks hard, beads of sweat on brow.....) DCS15 screwed up our medical services. :(

That would require some senior officer backbone and as we all know thats in short supply too.

5d2d

JPA - Overseas Payments to Bank
 

Just been advised that payments for those serving in Europe, no payments have been made to the overseas bank account ...................

Flight Safety - its everyones responsibility
 

My apologies if this subject has been covered before but I think it needs saying and putting in the public domain.

How long will it be before an airman, say on frontline Sqn, with his pay all messed up causing them some distress because he has mortgage and children etc, makes a mistake causing a flight safety incident or god forbid we lose an aircraft?

It would never happen in the old days - If there was a mess up in pay the Chief Clerk could authorise cash in hand immediately to cover short fall and help Johnny airman feed his children - they cant anymore.

Human factors are an important part of our management culture now and therefore this JPA debacle needs addressing. It causes hours away from the primary task when we are breaking point and the stress will affect flight safety be it from a maintainer’s perspective or aircrew. I accept we are all professional - but we are also human!

Yep, just heard from a mate serving in Germany that NOBODY has been paid this month.

What a crock of sh1t this is :*

I've just returned from Op Highbrow (Beirut Airlift) which was my first time on a JPA-Run Flight Sub Imprest.

What an abortion. Those who have the isfortune of running said imprests nowadays have my deepest sympathies.

This particular TL had 17 people on his FSI which must be nothing short of a nightmare.

I remember the old days of FSI which seemed fine to me, then the abortion of 'actuals' (anyone remember Gander during Purple Star in '96 and the amount of Combination Platters on the bar in 'Reflections'? :D :ok: )

This new system is a joke, as is everything and anything to do with JPA that I personally have had the misfortune to have seen (over 700 quid owed to me in claims - sorry, expenses) since April. The first few hundred quid has filtered into my bank account so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

When will it be admitted the system is flawed, peoples lives are being adversely affected, and eat humble pie and admit mistakes were made, apologies made, and lets get back to the (not quite now in retrospect) bad old days...

CC

Which makes things a bit of a mockery for anyone who has PVR'd and still has a RAFResO commitment.

You are supposed to give your details to Binnsworth if you change your address. But if they faff with JPA and 'lose you', then trying to call-out reservist officers when Blair has another war in some far flung $hithole is going to be...............difficult.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap, dickheads of JPA!

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